bisonbrigade Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 1. Josh Freeman: He's looking for work and would give theBills a guy who could start in Week 6. Freeman's a streaky passer with accuracy issues, but his arm is a rocket. 2. Vince Young: His preseason play with the Packers gave Green Bay a spark. Young's skill set would allow Buffalo to run its offense, and people forget he owns a 31-19 record as a starter. 3. Thaddeus Lewis: He currently sits on Buffalo's practice squad. Lewis started a game for the Browns last season and wasn't a disaster. He's a roster option if Buffalo wants to take one more look at Tuel. 4. Matt Leinart: He was a nightmare with the Bills in August, and we don't expect that to change. Leinart's on this list because Marrone's familiar with him, not because he's worth another look. 5. David Carr: A decidedly dull option, but a veteran who could serve as a patch. A very boring patch.
Kipers Hair Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 I'm pretty certain Tuel would tank. Not because I'm a Bills fan. I'm pretty certain ANY third or fourth round good prospect would tank, let alone an UDFA who wasn't good in college and got benched as a senior. I'm rather optimistic for a Bills fan in fact. I like Whaley and Marrone but I also thought before that Tuel was a huge mistake, as well as Byrd and the LG and backup CB situation. As far as a FA 2014 goes, you don't think that a playoff team, or near playoffs with a killer defense isn't a factor in a FA's decision versus a 5-11 team that was out of the hunt by week 8? I surely do. A lot of FAs wanted nothing to do with the Bills this year, and in years past, regardless of our pursuit in them. As a fan, I agree on Tuel's shortcomings and would have rather had plan C available last night, but again, if Marrone is a man of conviction like I believe him to be, I see him trying to coach up Tuel for the next game. Unfortunate, but expected. As to recruiting, as it stood, I think we were/are a 6 win team at best and frankly, (fingers crossed), if EJ returns in 5 weeks, he will have not had to suffer through a rough 4 weeks coming up where I do not believe we would have won a game. From what I see - the Bills will have no problem recruiting the right guys for the organization.
SactoBillFan Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 It appears to me that there is a lot of knee jerk reactions going on here. Bills will probably pick up a some serviceable QB but there is no guarantee he would be ready for the Bengals game. 10 days optimistically speaking EJ might be on the fast track. But IMO the Bills will start Tuel in the Bengals game with whoever they pick up backing him up. I'm hoping that EJ is ready for the fish game, doubtful though.
Kelly the Dog Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 As a fan, I agree on Tuel's shortcomings and would have rather had plan C available last night, but again, if Marrone is a man of conviction like I believe him to be, I see him trying to coach up Tuel for the next game. Unfortunate, but expected. As to recruiting, as it stood, I think we were/are a 6 win team at best and frankly, (fingers crossed), if EJ returns in 5 weeks, he will have not had to suffer through a rough 4 weeks coming up where I do not believe we would have won a game. From what I see - the Bills will have no problem recruiting the right guys for the organization. Situations change. Good and even great coaches and GMs make mistakes on players all the time. Marrone could have genuinely believed that he could coach up Tuel in a regular season game if he had to, and that it was worth the risk to not bring in a vet backup because we were decimated at other positions due to injury, and then after one or two series last night say to himself, "Uh oh, he's nowhere near ready for this!" It makes him wrong on this one thing, not an idiot, incompetent or not a man of his word. Also, if he believed in Tuel, he would have named him the starter for the Bengals game, and not clearly left open the chance a new guy would come in and become the starter.
PearlHowardman Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 If EJ is out only for a "few weeks" why are we rushing out to find a new QB? I'm thinking the 6-8 week time frame is more accurate.
habes1280 Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Is Nassib on Giants roster or PS? He knows the system, just a thought. No, he's not on the practice squad. It would require a trade. That said, I really think this would be the best possible option. I'm not worried about the potential egg on the face of the front office; bringing in a promising young QB who knows the system and the terminology for a 3rd round pick makes a lot of sense. He'd know he is the backup, and he's had some time to get over the snub-- and after a poor preseason, the Bills might be able to land him with a 4th or a 5th. This would secure the QB and backup position for the foreseeable future, and, in my opinion, would give us the best opportunity to win in the short term. Bringing in a veteran QB with no knowledge of our gimmicks would be pretty tough to overcome.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 If EJ is out only for a "few weeks" why are we rushing out to find a new QB? I'm thinking the 6-8 week time frame is more accurate. Er, because we have Tuel and <crickets>?
PearlHowardman Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Er, because we have Tuel and <crickets>? It's been like that since week one.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 No, he's not on the practice squad. It would require a trade. That said, I really think this would be the best possible option. I'm not worried about the potential egg on the face of the front office; bringing in a promising young QB who knows the system and the terminology for a 3rd round pick makes a lot of sense. He'd know he is the backup, and he's had some time to get over the snub-- and after a poor preseason, the Bills might be able to land him with a 4th or a 5th. This would secure the QB and backup position for the foreseeable future, and, in my opinion, would give us the best opportunity to win in the short term. Bringing in a veteran QB with no knowledge of our gimmicks would be pretty tough to overcome. A young QB's ability to read and react to the NFL D is critical, and is one of the things that takes time to develop. It is probably of more importance than "knowledge of our gimmicks". We control our game plan, and the OC can always put in a simplified version tailored to what the new QB has had time to assimilate. Thus, an NFL-quality vet has the advantage over a raw rookie - almost always. Curious about why you feel Nassib is "our best opportunity to win" after you acknowledge that "a poor preseason" has dropped his perceived value. If he played poorly in preseason against backups and 3rd stringers, why would you think he can win in the NFL against the best right now? It's been like that since week one. No, since week 1 we've had Manuel and Tuel (2 QB) Now we have Tuel and ____________, (1 QB) thus the desire to bring in another That doesn't necessarily indicate Manuel is considered to be out for 8 weeks. No HC wants to be one hard sack away from putting in an "emergency QB". Who we bring in and on what terms will be a lot more telling.
Maury Ballstein Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 I had a feeling I'd be watching Tool vs the saints when I make the trip to New Orleans. Sigh. Brutal.....that's a tough beat I once bought wizards tickets a month in advance to watch MJ and of course he got hurt before that game.
habes1280 Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 A young QB's ability to read and react to the NFL D is critical, and is one of the things that takes time to develop. It is probably of more importance than "knowledge of our gimmicks". We control our game plan, and the OC can always put in a simplified version tailored to what the new QB has had time to assimilate. Thus, an NFL-quality vet has the advantage over a raw rookie - almost always. Curious about why you feel Nassib is "our best opportunity to win" after you acknowledge that "a poor preseason" has dropped his perceived value. If he played poorly in preseason against backups and 3rd stringers, why would you think he can win in the NFL against the best right now? Good question, and I take your point about the value of NFL experience. My reasoning is that, to THIS staff, the SYSTEM is more important than X's and O's. I don't agree with their logic, mind you, nor do I like their gimmicks, but I think Hackett showed his own "rookie-ness" last night when he was forced to adapt to a QB that couldn't execute his gameplan. He (Hackett) needed to adapt on the fly and he couldn't do it. He was lost, and at times, our play-calling looked desperate (a flea-flicker from our own endzone with only one WR in the route-tree?), even BEFORE the game was out of hand. I don't trust Nassib's ability to read and diagnose defenses at the level of Josh Freeman, or for that matter, of David Carr; but I do trust his ability to run our offense, which, quite frankly, is the only offense that I think Hackett is capable of calling. There are better QBs out there, but I don't think our OC is versatile enough, at this stage in his career, to modify our offense to suit their strengths, or to effectively simplify it enough to make us competitive. Nassib would require very little adaptation, and in our circumstances, I think that gives us our best chance to win.
Orton's Arm Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Maybe the Tuel Time folks will shut up now. Tuel played poorly, no question. But it's also inarguable that Tuel's supporting cast was completely dominated by the Browns' defense. I'd like to see how he does after practicing with the starting WRs, and with his supporting cast looking maybe a little more credible than it did against the Browns.
Kirby Jackson Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Tuel does have a chance to develop into a serviceable backup (nothing more) in time. However, at this point he is just not capable of running an NFL offense. The options out there are limited. Obviously Freeman tops the list, after that I like VY and then Pat White followed by David Carr.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 1. Josh Freeman: He's looking for work and would give theBills a guy who could start in Week 6. Freeman's a streaky passer with accuracy issues, but his arm is a rocket. 2. Vince Young: His preseason play with the Packers gave Green Bay a spark. Young's skill set would allow Buffalo to run its offense, and people forget he owns a 31-19 record as a starter. 3. Thaddeus Lewis: He currently sits on Buffalo's practice squad. Lewis started a game for the Browns last season and wasn't a disaster. He's a roster option if Buffalo wants to take one more look at Tuel. 4. Matt Leinart: He was a nightmare with the Bills in August, and we don't expect that to change. Leinart's on this list because Marrone's familiar with him, not because he's worth another look. 5. David Carr: A decidedly dull option, but a veteran who could serve as a patch. A very boring patch. I would rather take my chance with Tuel than any of those guys. Maybe sign Leinart as the back-up; I actually liked what I saw from him in his limited pre-season action. He got no help from his receivers, who dropped several passes, including a TD, if I recall.
YoloinOhio Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 I would rather take my chance with Tuel than any of those guys. Maybe sign Leinart as the back-up; I actually liked what I saw from him in his limited pre-season action. He got no help from his receivers, who dropped several passes, including a TD, if I recall. I don't know how good Leinart is/could be, but I do agree it is not fair to judge his performance on having been here about 3 days before the game, having to learn the offense and very few reps and practice with the WRs. He wasn't even in any team's training camp. I am sure he was working out some on his own, but that doesn't compare to having been with a team for several weeks in camp. Not sure what the Bills expected him to come in and do. Good question, and I take your point about the value of NFL experience. My reasoning is that, to THIS staff, the SYSTEM is more important than X's and O's. I don't agree with their logic, mind you, nor do I like their gimmicks, but I think Hackett showed his own "rookie-ness" last night when he was forced to adapt to a QB that couldn't execute his gameplan. He (Hackett) needed to adapt on the fly and he couldn't do it. He was lost, and at times, our play-calling looked desperate (a flea-flicker from our own endzone with only one WR in the route-tree?), even BEFORE the game was out of hand. I don't trust Nassib's ability to read and diagnose defenses at the level of Josh Freeman, or for that matter, of David Carr; but I do trust his ability to run our offense, which, quite frankly, is the only offense that I think Hackett is capable of calling. There are better QBs out there, but I don't think our OC is versatile enough, at this stage in his career, to modify our offense to suit their strengths, or to effectively simplify it enough to make us competitive. Nassib would require very little adaptation, and in our circumstances, I think that gives us our best chance to win. In this "system" the QB needs to know how to hand off to Spiller, hand off to Freddy, and occasionally run play action on 3rd down. I don't think we need to go to Ryan Nassib to perfect that.
Max997 Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 I'm sure it's been mentioned but that injury is purely on EJ as he should have gone out of bounds after getting the first The Bills as a team don't seem to know how to avoid the wrong hit
YoloinOhio Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 I'm sure it's been mentioned but that injury is purely on EJ as he should have gone out of bounds after getting the first The Bills as a team don't seem to know how to avoid the wrong hit While I agree that he needs to do that, Marrone has admitted the same... we have seen other young, mobile, competitive QBs do this. RG3 is most recent. I also remember Sanchez doing it and they brought in one of the Yankees to teach him how to slide? They learn the hard way. He was trying to get extra yards. They are trying to make something happen. They want to win. I completely understand why they do it in the heat of the moment, all they are thinking about is getting more yards, and scoring. If they had time to stop and think, they would never do it. I have seen him actually slide a lot in other games. It isn't an excuse - but it is a reason. I am sure he learned his lesson, he is going to lose maybe 1/2 of his rookie season.
Mickey Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 For what it is worth, here are the QB's available from other teams' practice squads, call it the parade of horribles: Gregg McElroy - Cinn. Matt Scott - Jacksonville Chandler Harnish - Indianapolis Rusty Smith - Tenn. Tyler Wilson - Oak. Alex Tanney - Dallas Scott Tolzien - GB Seth Doege - Atlanta Ryan Griffin - NO
YoloinOhio Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) For what it is worth, here are the QB's available from other teams' practice squads, call it the parade of horribles: Gregg McElroy - Cinn. Matt Scott - Jacksonville Chandler Harnish - Indianapolis Rusty Smith - Tenn. Tyler Wilson - Oak. Alex Tanney - Dallas Scott Tolzien - GB Seth Doege - Atlanta Ryan Griffin - NO Never heard of half of these guys... but on the other hand, they are prob better than Tuel. Seriously though, Tyler Wilson was a 4th rd pick. He was thought of very highly going into the draft. I think the Raiders couldn't keep him because their OL is so rough they need a running QB (Pryor) and they can't cut Flynn because of the salary cap hit, so they were stuck. Edited October 4, 2013 by YoloInTheBlo
papazoid Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 E J will not be back until after the BYE week. the bye week is in 7 weeks.
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