bowery4 Posted September 11, 2013 Posted September 11, 2013 Joe's opinion on Marcel surprises me. Some of our more knowledgeable posters here were very critical of Marcel's performance. I'm a bit skeptical of Buscaglia's reviews of D-Line play after last year's breakdown of Mario's performance turned out to have missed the mark by a significant margin. Seems to me he has PFF (does that cost money, I will have to look it up) and uses it to analyze but maybe that is just because the scores are close. ICYMI: @NFL_ATL Game Rewind free trial the rest of the week. HD coaches film is the truth. https://gamerewind.nfl.com/nflgr/secure/packages … Damn! not free if not in the states!
26CornerBlitz Posted September 11, 2013 Posted September 11, 2013 (edited) Joe's opinion on Marcel surprises me. Some of our more knowledgeable posters here were very critical of Marcel's performance. I'm a bit skeptical of Buscaglia's reviews of D-Line play after last year's breakdown of Mario's performance turned out to have missed the mark by a significant margin. Here's what PFF had to say about Dareus in week 1: https://www.profootb...-ne-buf-week-1/ More Stat Sheet Lies Sometimes our own stat sheets tell some false truths, such as DT Marcell Dareus’ six stops, which look pretty but don’t compare to his -1.1 grade for the game, particularly the -3.1 against the run. There were certainly some positives, as the six stops would indicate, particularly in the second half when Dareus beat RG Dan Connolly a number of times to get in on the action. It was a small measure of revenge for Dareus after Connolly put him on the ground with a great reach block on the last play of the first quarter. The mammoth hole led to a 20-yard gain for Ridley. Dareus found himself on the ground all too easily laster in the game, this time from center Ryan Wendell, who turned and planted him to open up yet another gaping hole that led to a 21-yard gain for Vereen. Dareus was sealed out of a number of first-half runs before his second-half surge, but it was too late to recover from the poor grade. Edited September 11, 2013 by 26CornerBlitz
Cash Posted September 11, 2013 Posted September 11, 2013 I understand your frustration, but the Bills didn't lose on Sunday because of the LG "situation." That's a pretty tough statement to back up after a 2-point loss where the offense put up 286 total yards and went 4-13 on third down. Even a small marginal improvement on offense might have been enough to tip the scales in the Bills' favor. Can you really say with conviction that better LG play wouldn't have led to a couple more first downs? Maybe an extra FG at some point? It's impossible to say that better LG play would have definitely won the game for the Bills, but given how close the loss was, I think it's very hard to say that any improvement on offense wouldn't have swung the outcome.
Big Turk Posted September 11, 2013 Posted September 11, 2013 What i liked the most... Colin Brown sucked badly yet it didn't lead to any sacks, EJ had time to throw most of the day, and there was still room to run. I guess LG really ISN'T that important of a position and the Bills did well to not pay Levitre a boatload of money. Meanwhile in Tennessee, Chris Johnson still averaged under 3 yards a carry even with perhaps the highest paid OL in football...
eball Posted September 11, 2013 Posted September 11, 2013 That's a pretty tough statement to back up after a 2-point loss where the offense put up 286 total yards and went 4-13 on third down. Even a small marginal improvement on offense might have been enough to tip the scales in the Bills' favor. Can you really say with conviction that better LG play wouldn't have led to a couple more first downs? Maybe an extra FG at some point? It's impossible to say that better LG play would have definitely won the game for the Bills, but given how close the loss was, I think it's very hard to say that any improvement on offense wouldn't have swung the outcome. I can say that EJ was hardly touched on his 27 dropbacks -- and pass protection was our former LG's forte, not run blocking. We've also seen from the All-22 footage that CJ had a bad game reading his lanes, and Freddy ran just fine. So there's that.
HeHateMe Posted September 11, 2013 Posted September 11, 2013 What i liked the most... Colin Brown sucked badly yet it didn't lead to any sacks, EJ had time to throw most of the day, and there was still room to run. I guess LG really ISN'T that important of a position and the Bills did well to not pay Levitre a boatload of money. Meanwhile in Tennessee, Chris Johnson still averaged under 3 yards a carry even with perhaps the highest paid OL in football... I usually don't notice the O-line unless they are getting constantly beat, Colin Brown was really bad in that game... like off the street bad. NE only blitzed what was it? 6 times? Plus Manuel avoided a couple sacks with his movement in the pocket..
eball Posted September 11, 2013 Posted September 11, 2013 Is anyone on this board suggesting Colin Brown is better than Andy Levitre? I don't think so. Would Andy Levitre's presence on the Bills' OL on Sunday have meant a W rather than a L? There is no convincing evidence suggesting that to be the case.
26CornerBlitz Posted September 11, 2013 Posted September 11, 2013 Another thing about the All-22 that made me feel a little bit better about the playcalling -- it seems CJ had some open cutback lanes he just failed to utilize, for whatever reason. I had simply assumed the middle was clogged up and he had nowhere to run, but that appears to have not been the case. Hackett was calling plays that could have worked -- CJ just had an off day. Given what he had been dealing with personally I'll give him a pass, but it will be interesting to see how he bounces back on Sunday against another stout D front. @mikerodak More from C.J. Spiller on his "frustrating" performance Sunday and his comparison to Adrian Peterson: http://es.pn/1g167JI
Coach Tuesday Posted September 11, 2013 Posted September 11, 2013 Is anyone on this board suggesting Colin Brown is better than Andy Levitre? I don't think so. Would Andy Levitre's presence on the Bills' OL on Sunday have meant a W rather than a L? There is no convincing evidence suggesting that to be the case. Way to set up an impossible condition. How is someone supposed to present "convincing evidence" that better LG play could've changed the result? The Bills lost by 2 points. Their LG got pasted over and over again throughout the game, both in the running game and in pass pro. How do YOU know that they weren't forced to change their playcalling because of Brown's inadequacies? Is it a coincidence they were so much more successful running behind Urbik? I don't know what kind of "convincing evidence" you're expecting. There have been several links to game-charters who watched every play carefully and graded Brown as a disaster.
Chimp Posted September 11, 2013 Posted September 11, 2013 Here's what PFF had to say about Dareus in week 1: https://www.profootb...-ne-buf-week-1/ More Stat Sheet Lies Sometimes our own stat sheets tell some false truths, such as DT Marcell Dareus’ six stops, which look pretty but don’t compare to his -1.1 grade for the game, particularly the -3.1 against the run. There were certainly some positives, as the six stops would indicate, particularly in the second half when Dareus beat RG Dan Connolly a number of times to get in on the action. It was a small measure of revenge for Dareus after Connolly put him on the ground with a great reach block on the last play of the first quarter. The mammoth hole led to a 20-yard gain for Ridley. Dareus found himself on the ground all too easily laster in the game, this time from center Ryan Wendell, who turned and planted him to open up yet another gaping hole that led to a 21-yard gain for Vereen. Dareus was sealed out of a number of first-half runs before his second-half surge, but it was too late to recover from the poor grade. I was just scanning to see if anyone else asked about this. Is Joe wrong or are the analytics people putting a little too much emphasis on the numbers? I don't know everything that goes into the analytics stuff but I would really like to see the process as much as the result. I like analytics but it seems to cause more arguments than anything else. Eyeball test vs stats...who knows?
Dorkington Posted September 11, 2013 Posted September 11, 2013 I'll add this -- the All-22 reviews I read this morning have me sounding so much more edumacated around the office. I've used the phrase "throw your receivers open" at least seventeen times today. @mikerodak More from C.J. Spiller on his "frustrating" performance Sunday and his comparison to Adrian Peterson: http://es.pn/1g167JI Good to see he recognizes (or was shown) what he did wrong. Hopefully he takes the lesson into the rest of the season.
26CornerBlitz Posted September 11, 2013 Posted September 11, 2013 I was just scanning to see if anyone else asked about this. Is Joe wrong or are the analytics people putting a little too much emphasis on the numbers? I don't know everything that goes into the analytics stuff but I would really like to see the process as much as the result. I like analytics but it seems to cause more arguments than anything else. Eyeball test vs stats...who knows? I haven't watched the All-22 yet, but I did watch the game again via NFL Rewind. Dareus made a couple of plays during the game, but he got handled far too much for me. On one play he was completely pancaked by the LG Ryan Wendell. He should be embarrassed to get blown up like that.
5 Wide Posted September 11, 2013 Posted September 11, 2013 Brown was a horrific dumpster fire for much of the day. Would Levitre made a difference, who knows, but there were a lot of 3rd and shorts that weren't converted.
Chimp Posted September 11, 2013 Posted September 11, 2013 I haven't watched the All-22 yet, but I did watch the game again via NFL Rewind. Dareus made a couple of plays during the game, but he got handled far too much for me. On one play he was completely pancaked by the LG Ryan Wendell. He should be embarrassed to get blown up like that. Agreed. The D Line needs him to play like a stud which I think he is capable of but there is just something not right about that dude.
eball Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 Way to set up an impossible condition. How is someone supposed to present "convincing evidence" that better LG play could've changed the result? The Bills lost by 2 points. Their LG got pasted over and over again throughout the game, both in the running game and in pass pro. How do YOU know that they weren't forced to change their playcalling because of Brown's inadequacies? Is it a coincidence they were so much more successful running behind Urbik? I don't know what kind of "convincing evidence" you're expecting. There have been several links to game-charters who watched every play carefully and graded Brown as a disaster. All of that tells me the Bills are right, because "disastrous" play by their LG resulted in zero sacks and they still ran for over 4 yds a carry if I'm not mistaken -- with CJ having a self-admitted off day.
Coach Tuesday Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) All of that tells me the Bills are right, because "disastrous" play by their LG resulted in zero sacks and they still ran for over 4 yds a carry if I'm not mistaken -- with CJ having a self-admitted off day. Do you work for the Bills? Serious question. You seem to have blinders on, my friend. Edited September 12, 2013 by Coach Tuesday
eball Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) Do you work for the Bills? Serious question. You seem to have blinders on, my friend. Hardly. I just refuse to cave in to the gloom-and-doomers and look for the positive rather than the negative -- and it's fun to poke the "realists." Do you care to address my facts? Edited September 12, 2013 by eball
Coach Tuesday Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 Hardly. I just refuse to cave in to the gloom-and-doomers and look for the positive rather than the negative -- and it's fun to poke the "realists." Do you care to address my facts? Your "facts"? No, you win the argument eball. The Bills' left guard situation couldn't be better and won't affect them in games this season. They ran the ball amazingly well on Sunday. Congrats on yet another victory!
The Big Cat Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 Your "facts"? No, you win the argument eball. The Bills' left guard situation couldn't be better and won't affect them in games this season. They ran the ball amazingly well on Sunday. Congrats on yet another victory! If you read any of the analyses that have come out, you'd know that left guard was not the reason CJ consistently ran the ball poorly. Meanwhile Freddy went for like 65 yards on about 13 carries..
Coach Tuesday Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 If you read any of the analyses that have come out, you'd know that left guard was not the reason CJ consistently ran the ball poorly. Meanwhile Freddy went for like 65 yards on about 13 carries.. Not true. The holes were created on the right side of the line. They barely even ran behind LG after the first quarter, from my vantage point, and when they did, the holes weren't there at all. There was very little second-level blocking the entire game (by either guard). The weak LG play seemed to obviously affect the playcalling. Sure Spiller should've been more effective - but that's correctable. What's not correctable is the gaping hole in the left side of the line.
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