Boatdrinks Posted November 5, 2013 Posted November 5, 2013 Bottom line is that that play was never designed to go to the slot. Ever. You can't throw to the slot out of that formation against that defensive alignment. GO BILLS!!! There was nothing special about that defense.It was man coverage across the board, you throw it to whoever beats his man. Could be x y or z. They claim SJ was the 1st option. Perhaps. The pick run by Woods/ Graham appeared to be the most obvious 1st option as that defender should have followed SJ on the clear out leaving TJG open on the slant. Maybe they think SJ 1on 1 with anyone is the 1st option, but normally TJG would have been uncovered as the pick w/Woods rubbed off the defender.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 5, 2013 Posted November 5, 2013 From the booth: Chiefs at Bills So now it’s third and goal, and the Bills kept their “11” personnel on the field. They lined up all three wideouts to the right side, T.J. Graham and Robert Woods far right, with Stevie Johnson in the tight slot. The play appeared to be designed to give Tuel his first look at Graham, who crossed paths with Graham outside in an effort to pick each other’s defender off momentarily. But unexpectedly, Chiefs DB Sean Smith froze at the line of scrimmage, leaving Stevie Johnson uncovered in the end zone. The snap to Tuel was slightly low, which probably meant the rookie QB felt hurried to get the throw off. Instead of looking at a wide open Stevie Johnson, Tuel threw immediately to the spot where Graham was headed. That’s where Smith was standing, and the rest is history.
Boatdrinks Posted November 5, 2013 Posted November 5, 2013 From the booth: Chiefs at Bills So now it’s third and goal, and the Bills kept their “11” personnel on the field. They lined up all three wideouts to the right side, T.J. Graham and Robert Woods far right, with Stevie Johnson in the tight slot. The play appeared to be designed to give Tuel his first look at Graham, who crossed paths with Graham outside in an effort to pick each other’s defender off momentarily. But unexpectedly, Chiefs DB Sean Smith froze at the line of scrimmage, leaving Stevie Johnson uncovered in the end zone. The snap to Tuel was slightly low, which probably meant the rookie QB felt hurried to get the throw off. Instead of looking at a wide open Stevie Johnson, Tuel threw immediately to the spot where Graham was headed. That’s where Smith was standing, and the rest is history. Yes, TJG ran a pick play with Woods. While the low snap may have distracted Tuel, I contend that he panicked when he saw the overloaded look to his left pre-snap, knew it was a blitz, and decided he would throw to Graham (as the man coverage would dictate that Smith was going to vacate that spot to foll SJ) before the snap occurred. Maybe he rushed it due to the low snap, a better snap there and he might have seen SJ slip into the middle uncovered. He would have gotten clobbered as he threw it, but got the TD.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 5, 2013 Posted November 5, 2013 Yes, TJG ran a pick play with Woods. While the low snap may have distracted Tuel, I contend that he panicked when he saw the overloaded look to his left pre-snap, knew it was a blitz, and decided he would throw to Graham (as the man coverage would dictate that Smith was going to vacate that spot to foll SJ) before the snap occurred. Maybe he rushed it due to the low snap, a better snap there and he might have seen SJ slip into the middle uncovered. He would have gotten clobbered as he threw it, but got the TD. I think he was really cognizant of avoiding the sack. That's great, but the message to him should have been go to graham and if he is not wide open, throw it out of bounds.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 5, 2013 Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) More @BillsObserver Tuel just a tad off here missing out on making it 14-3. Instead, they end up kicking a FG. pic.twitter.com/VqrXac5b3a Good stuff from Kiko here: @BillsObserver Kiko sniffs out screen play and Charles has no chance here. Kiko was attached to his hip most of the game. pic.twitter.com/KzCp7LJWzZ @BillsObserver The play that could have changed the game. Fred just needed to recover from his stumble here. Easier said than done. pic.twitter.com/WDSEpKEW46 @BillsObserver 3rd&10 on the drive after pick 6. Tuel audibles out of pass, Stevie hears call and his body language screams "No!!!" pic.twitter.com/6RBpLue21i @BillsObserver Very next play, 4th&3. Graham has his man beat deep once again but Tuel throws something brutal. pic.twitter.com/Zm6xka0rwU Edited November 6, 2013 by 26CornerBlitz
Dibs Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 Surrendering to the weight of this thread, even though I feel a new thread each game is better. http://www.buffaloru...-smith-pick-six kj Wow, slide 4(of 6).
26CornerBlitz Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) Upon Further Review: Bills vs Chiefs: http://www.wgr550.co...-drive/17696036 Coming into their contest with the undefeated Kansas City Chiefs, the deck appeared to be stacked against the Buffalo Bills. Their top two quarterbacks were injured, leaving them to start an undrafted rookie against one of the National Football League's top defenses. The Bills very nearly came away with a win, but glaring plays helped snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Before Buffalo travels to take on the Pittsburgh Steelers, first is a final look back at their game against the Chiefs with how each offensive and defensive player that took a snap performed. Every week, with the help of the All-22 film available through NFL.com's Game Rewind package, WGR will provide the standouts, the duds and everything in between from the game that was. For each player that appeared in the game on offense or defense, you'll see their name in bold, with a set of numbers after it. Example: Saul Goodman (54, -2, 2.7). The first number (54) represents the snap count of that game, the second (-2) represents the individual players plus-minus of positive plays to negative plays in that game. The third number (2.7) represents the weighted Grade Point Average assigned to that player by the author. Previous Installments: Week 1 - New England 23, Buffalo 21 Week 2 - Buffalo 24, Carolina 23 Week 3 - New York Jets 27, Buffalo 20 Week 4 - Buffalo 23, Baltimore 20 Week 5 - Cleveland 37, Buffalo 24 Week 6 - Cincinnati 27, Buffalo 24 Week 7 - Buffalo 23 Miami 21 Week 8 - New Orleans 35, Buffalo 17 Edited November 6, 2013 by 26CornerBlitz
bobblehead Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 They pretty much did beat the spit out of them everywhere but the scoreboard. KC will be coming down to earth soon. They've lucked out all season. How many backup QBs have they seen this year? How many close games? GO BILLS!!! That was not a complicated play by any stretch of the imagination. GO BILLS!!! Actually- the play was not that different from the winning TD play from the Carolina game, just the field location was more inside. It was a good play call
MDH Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 Actually- the play was not that different from the winning TD play from the Carolina game, just the field location was more inside. It was a good play call Obviously it wasn't. You have 11 guys defending 11 yards of field there. Everything is so compact it takes a quick, accurate read and throw from the QB. I don't trust Tuel in that situation and I don't know why the coaches did. Look, it is a good looking short yardage, red zone play. I just question using it with Tuel back there in his first start. I've supported Hackett's conservative play calling all year in bringing along the young QBs and his run, run, run philosophy inside the the 5 yard line (even when it didn't work) so this isn't me with 20/20 vision. I wouldn't have liked the call before I knew the result. Tuel made a mistake but it's a mistake the coaches should have known he was very capable of making.
K-9 Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 Obviously it wasn't. You have 11 guys defending 11 yards of field there. Everything is so compact it takes a quick, accurate read and throw from the QB. I don't trust Tuel in that situation and I don't know why the coaches did. Look, it is a good looking short yardage, red zone play. I just question using it with Tuel back there in his first start. I've supported Hackett's conservative play calling all year in bringing along the young QBs and his run, run, run philosophy inside the the 5 yard line (even when it didn't work) so this isn't me with 20/20 vision. I wouldn't have liked the call before I knew the result. Tuel made a mistake but it's a mistake the coaches should have known he was very capable of making. Coaches know EVERY player is capable of making a mistake. But you simply can't coach from that perspective. A player makes enough of those mistakes, he's gone and coaches move on to the next guy. GO BILLS!!!
MDH Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 Coaches know EVERY player is capable of making a mistake. But you simply can't coach from that perspective. A player makes enough of those mistakes, he's gone and coaches move on to the next guy. GO BILLS!!! Of course they coach from that perspective that's why they scale things back for your QBs and make the game easier for them. They call conservative plays in important situations when they wouldn't necessarily do that with better/more seasoned QBs. This is the way it's been in the NFL for decades.
K-9 Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 Of course they coach from that perspective that's why they scale things back for your QBs and make the game easier for them. They call conservative plays in important situations when they wouldn't necessarily do that with better/more seasoned QBs. This is the way it's been in the NFL for decades. We are talking about two different things, then. Marrone and Hackett couldn't have scaled back much more if they tried. Tuel was well protected by a dominant run game throughout. It was posted in another thread that early in the 4th quarter the Bills had run 35 times vs. passing it 23 times. They didn't put him in any bad situations all day. I suppose you can demand that Hackett take away the flexibility to audible when Tuel sees a certain coverage, but that's actually restraining him vs. protecting him. You may also argue that Hackett shouldn't have dialed up the 3rd down pass at the goal line, but AGAIN, it was a play they practiced all week with success. At what point are you undermining the confidence of your player by insisting that he lacks the tools necessary to get the job done? It's unfortunate Tuel wasn't up to the task, but I don't buy for a second the staff SHOULDN'T have insisted on finding out. That is counter-productive. GO BILLS!!!
Maybe Someday Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) Very interesting! I didn't notice him. Did anyone else? I'll have to go take another look. . . . I'm sick of thinking about "the play" so I'll try to change the subject. Yes, I did notice Charles and was pleasantly surprised at how well he played despite just being signed. I saw him getting off some blocks and he seemed to be holding his ground very well. I hope to see more out of him as he learns the defense. Here's hoping he is a diamond in the rough!!! Anyone else want to talk about something other than "the play" or how bad Tuel is??? LOL Edited November 6, 2013 by 3 --> 10 Connection
Nitro Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 I watched the goal line play a dozen times. Had HS football flash backs where the coach would rewind over and over again the mistakes you made. I observed that the fake to Fred Jackson fooled no one and the blitzer passed him on his left. Teul is locked in to the tandem of Woods and Graham. Stevie Johnson's strong inside move is screened by Urbik, Pears and the 2 Chiefs D linemen. The pass is away. From the angles on ALL-22, Graham is flashing open. He shed is DB and looks open. Smith, who lost Johnson, stumbles into the path of the throw. The rest is history. Funny this is if Johnson did not push Smith away so easily and Smith kept coverage. Chances are Graham would have a good chance for a TD. This is why to be a Bills fan is to be a glutton for punishment.
ganesh Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 Tuel made a mistake but it's a mistake the coaches should have known he was very capable of making. Agreed. I would have preferred a naked bootleg there on the left side. Tuel could have got to the far end of the end zone.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) @JoeBuscaglia Exhibit A of why Spiller may be in Marrone's dog house: Look at this hole forming & 28 instead bounces left. #Bills pic.twitter.com/pxxQ4nBv2c Edited November 12, 2013 by 26CornerBlitz
K-9 Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 @JoeBuscaglia Exhibit A of why Spiller may be in Marrone's dog house: Look at this hole forming & 28 instead bounces left. #Bills pic.twitter.com/pxxQ4nBv2c Ouch. GO BILLS!!!
26CornerBlitz Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 @JoeBuscaglia Exhibit B of Spiller case: Has 3-4 yds up middle, bounces left for -1. Could even cutback right towards Polamalu pic.twitter.com/Y9cHNR7KrT
l< j Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 On J-Byrd's interception: http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2013/11/12/5095204/buffalo-bills-precision-play-of-the-week-week-10-jairus-byrd-int kj
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