ALF Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 Browns were hoping Weeden would be there franchise QB. It looks like they are going all out for a QB this next draft with the extra 1st rd pick to package , unless they can stay winless.
ganesh Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 Browns were hoping Weeden would be there franchise QB. It looks like they are going all out for a QB this next draft with the extra 1st rd pick to package , unless they can stay winless. With the amount of "talented" QBs that pundits are predicting will come out in next years draft, I don't think the Browns are going to need too many picks to get that franchise QB, especially considering that they have a very good shot at finishing in the top 3 in the draft order for next years draft. It would be ironic (like the Bills) for them to give up Richardson and then use that pick to draft a RB!!!
YoloinOhio Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 The Vikes should have went to the SB with 85 yo Brett Favre. The Titans with CJ went 13-3 QB by Kerry Collins. The Jags went 11-5 and beat Pitt on the road in the playoffs helped by MJD. IT goes both ways. #1 you need a QB. But are the Bills better or worse off for drafting Spiller over Tebow? Talent always should win out. It's also funny that you mention CLE has a weak blocking oline when they have a top 3 LT. Maybe LT is an overrated position? This is a crappy trade if you are a Browns fan but it makes sense. There's chance TRich's value goes down if he has a bad year. To grab a 1st for any player is good value. And if you are going to be bad, be real bad. The problem with the Bills is they rarely hit rock bottom. At the same time, I love this trade for the colts. P.S. There could be a very good chance that all Bama rbs might be completely overrated. Ingram, TRich, Lacey might just run behind dominant, NFL caliber olines that make them look way better than they actually are. Joe Thomas used to be a top 3 LT. He has played horribly, as has the rest of the OL, this year. I (unfortunately) get the Browns games every week where I live. He also played average last year. Richardson played almost the whole year with broken ribs, no blocking, and no passing threat. With the amount of "talented" QBs that pundits are predicting will come out in next years draft, I don't think the Browns are going to need too many picks to get that franchise QB, especially considering that they have a very good shot at finishing in the top 3 in the draft order for next years draft. It would be ironic (like the Bills) for them to give up Richardson and then use that pick to draft a RB!!! With the Browns fans' luck, they'll take Manziel just to sell tickets. I don't think he is nearly the best QB next year.
prissythecat Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 Joe Thomas used to be a top 3 LT. He has played horribly, as has the rest of the OL, this year. I (unfortunately) get the Browns games every week where I live. He also played average last year. Richardson played almost the whole year with broken ribs, no blocking, and no passing threat. With the Browns fans' luck, they'll take Manziel just to sell tickets. I don't think he is nearly the best QB next year. Doesn't the Barbarian have Manziel as his no1 pick in his 2014 mock draft?
YoloinOhio Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) Doesn't the Barbarian have Manziel as his no1 pick in his 2014 mock draft? I don't know who the Barbarian is, but that won't happen. McShay (whether you like him or not) doesn't even have him in his top 5 QBs and he is including underclassmen. The kid is an outstanding college player. He will be drafted. But his size, documented drinking problem, attitude on and off the field,and unlikeable personality will have many teams shy away from investing the money and time into Johnny Football as their franchise quarterback Edited September 20, 2013 by YoloInTheBlo
starrymessenger Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 With the amount of "talented" QBs that pundits are predicting will come out in next years draft, I don't think the Browns are going to need too many picks to get that franchise QB, especially considering that they have a very good shot at finishing in the top 3 in the draft order for next years draft. It would be ironic (like the Bills) for them to give up Richardson and then use that pick to draft a RB!!! I wouldn't put it past them. No guarantee that the 15-20 first rounder will amount to anything. Oh wait, of course they are loading to move up in the draft. They love to waste picks they have stockpiled after all. Didn't they burn three picks to move ahead of a team with AP to draft a RB #3 overall? I thought being a Bills fan was tough.
YoloinOhio Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 I wouldn't put it past them. No guarantee that the 15-20 first rounder will amount to anything. Oh wait, of course they are loading to move up in the draft. They love to waste picks they have stockpiled after all. Didn't they burn three picks to move ahead of a team with AP to draft a RB #3 overall? I thought being a Bills fan was tough. The Browns fans truly have had it worse than Bills fans.
starrymessenger Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 The Browns fans truly have had it worse than Bills fans. Hard to believe but true nonetheless.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 I don't know who the Barbarian is, but that won't happen. McShay (whether you like him or not) doesn't even have him in his top 5 QBs and he is including underclassmen. The kid is an outstanding college player. He will be drafted. But his size, documented drinking problem, attitude on and off the field,and unlikeable personality will have many teams shy away from investing the money and time into Johnny Football as their franchise quarterback FWIW, McShay didn't have EJ in his top 5 QBs.
YoloinOhio Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) FWIW, McShay didn't have EJ in his top 5 QBs. I know, but Manziel is anything but the size and character of EJ, and teams will be afraid to invest their future in him. Plus we are talking about the #1 pick which the Browns will somehow get either by record or trade, and EJ didn't go #1 and neither will Manziel. Edited September 20, 2013 by YoloInTheBlo
YoloinOhio Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) In this thread we point to the Vikings wildly successful 10-6 season & the Packers colossal 15-1 failure to make our point about the importance of RB's. Also James Starks who was approximately the 103rd best RB in the league. Without him they might've had to settle for the Buff. St. RB to get them 3YPC after the Philly game. It doesn't matter where Starks went to school or where he was ranked then or now in the regular season. GB squeaked into the playoffs in 2010 as a WC with a great QB and passing game but poor running game in the reg season, then Starks posted a league-leading 315 rushing yards in the 2010 postseason, third most ever by a rookie RB in the postseason. They then won the SB. The Vikings, on the other hand, did not have a QB and ONLY made the playoffs because of AP. Without a QB they were not able to be successful in the playoffs. Edited September 20, 2013 by YoloInTheBlo
Nitro Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 Its this thinking that got the Colts only one SuperBowl win with perhaps the best QB to ever play. Having a defense that can just hold their own will not get them through the playoffs. Yep. It is interesting to watch it close up being from Buffalo and rooting for the Bills. They should have won more championships but Irsay loves big offense. That is where he spends most of his money. It is his team, not mine.
YoloinOhio Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 Yep. It is interesting to watch it close up being from Buffalo and rooting for the Bills. They should have won more championships but Irsay loves big offense. That is where he spends most of his money. It is his team, not mine. Irsay likes attention.
eball Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 Irsay likes attention. He'll get plenty of it when the Colts are pounded by double digits in SF this weekend.
YoloinOhio Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) He'll get plenty of it when the Colts are pounded by double digits in SF this weekend. Unless Aldon Smith shows up drinky-drinky:http://msn.foxsports...accident-092013 But yes, the SF offense will "get healthy" so to speak against the Colts D, which is not so good. Edited September 20, 2013 by YoloInTheBlo
Nanker Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 He'll get plenty of it when the Colts are pounded by double digits in SF this weekend. +1
benderbender Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 Browns might be going for Clowney, Manziel or Bridgewater in the next draft Johnny Football is Tebow 2.0 in the NFL
BuffOrange Posted September 21, 2013 Posted September 21, 2013 It doesn't matter where Starks went to school or where he was ranked then or now in the regular season. GB squeaked into the playoffs in 2010 as a WC with a great QB and passing game but poor running game in the reg season, then Starks posted a league-leading 315 rushing yards in the 2010 postseason, third most ever by a rookie RB in the postseason. They then won the SB. The Vikings, on the other hand, did not have a QB and ONLY made the playoffs because of AP. Without a QB they were not able to be successful in the playoffs. They squeaked into the playoffs because they where incredibly unlucky with a ton of injuries & played a brutal schedule. Lost @Chicago in OT, shut out the Jets on the road, outplayed and lost @ATL & @NE because they failed to cover kickoff returns. This is all why they were only a tiny underdog @ a 13-3 Falcons team and favored vs the Bears & Steelers. It's also why they went 15-1 the next year. It's not because they reinvented themselves and had 1 good rushing game vs a pedestrian Philly D. Although it's great that you move the goalposts with new arbitrary criteria on rookie postseason history and "hey the RB who played the most postseason games had the most yards!" after the lie about running the ball well in Atlanta/Chicago gets shot down.
YoloinOhio Posted September 21, 2013 Posted September 21, 2013 They squeaked into the playoffs because they where incredibly unlucky with a ton of injuries & played a brutal schedule. Lost @Chicago in OT, shut out the Jets on the road, outplayed and lost @ATL & @NE because they failed to cover kickoff returns. This is all why they were only a tiny underdog @ a 13-3 Falcons team and favored vs the Bears & Steelers. It's also why they went 15-1 the next year. It's not because they reinvented themselves and had 1 good rushing game vs a pedestrian Philly D. Although it's great that you move the goalposts with new arbitrary criteria on rookie postseason history and "hey the RB who played the most postseason games had the most yards!" after the lie about running the ball well in Atlanta/Chicago gets shot down. This was in response to a poster who made a blanket statement that the addition of an effective rushing game to a team that did not have one previously is never something that can be the difference between winning and losing. No one "lied" about anything. There was no criteria to begin with. I think you got a bit lost in the thread as there are a lot of things being discussed at once. GO Bills!
Mr_Blizzard Posted September 21, 2013 Posted September 21, 2013 Lynch was and is one dumb move away from a long suspension Not sorry to see him go. I'll bet if he'd spent another season in Buffalo he would have ended up in jail, suspended for a year or both.
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