Joe Miner Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Then shut the government down to stop people from seeing a doctor. Great idea! Didn't the Nazis get Hitler appointed chancellor by shutting down the Reichstag? 20 posts in and you've godwin'd your own thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Lindsey Graham might not beat Nancy Mace in the upcoming election. hence my concern (or lack of) for the future of the party. thank god i didn't choose to live in nc. maybe they have a clone of jessee helms stashed away somewhere, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 it's that hard because of redistricting and the geographic divide of the parties. not as big an issue in national elections. but isn't the burden on the group wanting to change the law but without the current power to do so? I suppose if they wanted to change the law they'd introduce legislation to change it. Seems like they want to exercise another form of their authority and not fund the law. Did we suddenly pass a new law saying that Congress can't do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I suppose if they wanted to change the law they'd introduce legislation to change it. Seems like they want to exercise another form of their authority and not fund the law. Did we suddenly pass a new law saying that Congress can't do that? nope but make no mistake who then would be choosing a shutdown. i don't think many independent voters woill make that mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 nope but make no mistake who then would be choosing a shutdown. i don't think many independent voters woill make that mistake. So who's drawing the line of fund it or shutdown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 And if it's so good, the country can elect representatives to fund it. Shouldn't be that hard right? Congress is supopsed to fund Bills that are already law. Not until the last few years has that notion changed. This is the last ditch attempt for conservatives to try and destroy the president's signature achievement, they have failed in every other reagard to do it, even with a Presidential campaign centered about the job killing nation crumbler... still lost. If history is any indicator, they will surely lose again. Fine with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) From Rassmussen, 51% Favor Government Shutdown Until Congress Cuts Health Care Funding. Interesting to see how this affects things. Related: White House: “We will not accept anything that delays or defunds ObamaCare.” That’s rich, given how many times Obama has delayed it already himself. And all the waivers and exemptions for favored constituencies. Congress is supposed to fund Bills that are already law. Not until the last few years has that notion changed. Gee, I really disagree with this statement B, it just doesn't really ring true for a representative government. . . Edited September 18, 2013 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 So who's drawing the line of fund it or shutdown? both sides have drawn the line that is not of debate, who will blink first and who the electorate will hold accountable for a shutdown is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 both sides have drawn the line that is not of debate, who will blink first and who the electorate will hold accountable for a shutdown is Explain how both sides are threatening shutdown again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 From Rassmussen, 51% Favor Government Shutdown Until Congress Cuts Health Care Funding. Interesting to see how this affects things. Related: White House: “We will not accept anything that delays or defunds ObamaCare.” That’s rich, given how many times Obama has delayed it already himself. And all the waivers and exemptions for favored constituencies. Gee, I really disagree with this statement B, it just doesn't really ring true for a representative government. . . Oh, let's rule by polls! Great idea doof! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Oh, let's rule by polls! Great idea doof! Oh, what the hell, I usually ignore such stupidity, but I've got a minute (and you won't understand it anyway) The GOP legislators are not "ruling" by polls, they believe that Obamacare is a disaster and needs to be defunded. I referenced a well-known pollster in response to B-Large and BirdDog's legitimate argument that this course of action would be very unpopular out in the country. The Rassmussen poll demonstrates that this may not be the case. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) Oh, what the hell, I usually ignore such stupidity, but I've got a minute (and you won't understand it anyway) The GOP legislators are not "ruling" by polls, they believe that Obamacare is a disaster and needs to be defunded. I referenced a well-known pollster in response to B-Large and BirdDog's legitimate argument that this course of action would be very unpopular out in the country. The Rassmussen poll demonstrates that this may not be the case. . No, they are reading the polls and acting. Typical politicians. Not statesmen at all. Oh, and Rassmussen? No bias there! Edited September 18, 2013 by gatorman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Oh, what the hell, I usually ignore such stupidity, but I've got a minute (and you won't understand it anyway) The GOP legislators are not "ruling" by polls, they believe that Obamacare is a disaster and needs to be defunded. I referenced a well-known pollster in response to B-Large and BirdDog's legitimate argument that this course of action would be very unpopular out in the country. The Rassmussen poll demonstrates that this may not be the case. . while i do appreciate the logic, "well known" and "respected" or "trusted" are 2 different things. i would argue that based on recent elections, rasmussen is the former while not the 2 latter, except in conservative circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 No, they are reading the polls and acting. Typical politicians. Not statesmen at all. Oh, and Rassmussen? No bias there! Polling likely voters only is indicative of a political bias? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 ya think some americans might when they see their 401k's drop precipitously? Only those that don't have a clue as to what they're doing. I love it when my 401k goes down in value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 Polling likely voters only is indicative of a political bias? Not what I meant at all Only those that don't have a clue as to what they're doing. I love it when my 401k goes down in value. Why?? What are you doing, if you don't mind my asking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 this probably won't end well.... What? The actual topic or gatorman's thread! ;-) Katy bar the door... I smell a donnybrook brewing... LoL.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 it's that hard because of redistricting and the geographic divide of the parties. not as big an issue in national elections. but isn't the burden on the group wanting to change the law but without the current power to do so? LOL! So Barry won the election fair and square, but dems lost the House and are possibly going to lose the Senate because of redistricting. Okay. And again it's funny that Barry was against raising the debt ceiling (as a junior Senator)...before he was for it. Typical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Not what I meant at all Why?? What are you doing, if you don't mind my asking.... I don't mind your asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 I don't mind your asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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