judman Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 What happens after a cop in a jersey makes a bust? I mean the gig is up right? It's not like they can return to their seat and start over. This is not a speed trap on the highway with new cars continuously coming down the pike. Would another "fan" in visiting team gear then sit in that seat? C'mon man... Security should be conspicuous in my opinion. And if there are a lot of issues at the stadium, up the numbers.
Bangarang Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 Because Buffalo is a broke-ass city. In a broke-ass country. Enough money being wasted on BS. I have not been to a game in about ten years now, I am an expat. So in the end it really does not matter to me. The Bills don't play in Buffalo. Therefore you won't see Buffalo Police there. Try again.
OCinBuffalo Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) As long as they also wear Bills gear, and sit near groups of opposing fans as well? Then I don't have a problem. It's not like it's hard to figure out where they will be. As I've said many times: the largest, longest, and most violent fight I have ever seen at the Ralph(and #7 on my list overall), was started by well-to-do Pats fans, in the "food court" part of the club seats. They tried to jump a guy as he walked through the walkway from the seats. They F'ed it up, and they place went berserk. Especailly the guy they tried to jump. Turns out the sucker punchers had friends, but, so did berserker guy. Never seen so many tables and chairs get thrown, and miss. The furniture took a bigger beating that the people. But, when berserker did connect, it was like a Rocky movie: blood everyhere. It took 5 mins for security to show up, probably because: who expects a Donnybrook in the food court? So, spare me the "Bills fans are bad" crap. Opposing teams fans are just as bad, and just as likely to be looking for trouble. Thus, the cops should be deployed in a manner that accounts for the entire problem. Edited September 18, 2013 by OCinBuffalo
NoSaint Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 What happens after a cop in a jersey makes a bust? I mean the gig is up right? It's not like they can return to their seat and start over. This is not a speed trap on the highway with new cars continuously coming down the pike. Would another "fan" in visiting team gear then sit in that seat? C'mon man... Security should be conspicuous in my opinion. And if there are a lot of issues at the stadium, up the numbers. Or they simply radio someone else to do it Or they roam around the concourses and its always new folks
OCinBuffalo Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 What happens after a cop in a jersey makes a bust? I mean the gig is up right? It's not like they can return to their seat and start over. This is not a speed trap on the highway with new cars continuously coming down the pike. Would another "fan" in visiting team gear then sit in that seat? C'mon man... Security should be conspicuous in my opinion. And if there are a lot of issues at the stadium, up the numbers. Great point. Seems like we haven't throught it through, and you have. Returning to their seat means antagonziation for all. Cannot happen. Yeah, the more I think about it? This idea is stupid.
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted September 18, 2013 Author Posted September 18, 2013 What happens after a cop in a jersey makes a bust? I mean the gig is up right? It's not like they can return to their seat and start over. This is not a speed trap on the highway with new cars continuously coming down the pike. Would another "fan" in visiting team gear then sit in that seat? C'mon man... Security should be conspicuous in my opinion. And if there are a lot of issues at the stadium, up the numbers. he moves to a different part of the stadium.
JohnC Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 What happens after a cop in a jersey makes a bust? I mean the gig is up right? It's not like they can return to their seat and start over. This is not a speed trap on the highway with new cars continuously coming down the pike. Would another "fan" in visiting team gear then sit in that seat? C'mon man... Security should be conspicuous in my opinion. And if there are a lot of issues at the stadium, up the numbers. The undercover officer doesn't always have to make an arrest. What they can do is get the misbehaving fool under control and have him/her escorted out of the stadium. The undercover officer can then move to another location. If the person acts in a way that warrants an arrest then an arrest should be made. The more people see that unacceptable behavior is not going to be tolerated then that will serve as a deterrent.
NoSaint Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 The undercover officer doesn't always have to make an arrest. What they can do is get the misbehaving fool under control and have him/her escorted out of the stadium. The undercover officer can then move to another location. If the person acts in a way that warrants an arrest then an arrest should be made. The more people see that unacceptable behavior is not going to be tolerated then that will serve as a deterrent. Plus, busting a guy at the line for hotdogs in 101 doesn't deter him from going up to roam the upper levels or returning to a seat or as someone else mentioned simply having radio (or text) contact with someone to come handle it Not to mention tailgates, and postgame in parking lots. Yes, arresting the person in the seat next to him would blow his cover at that seat but that still means at the very worst he's simply become an ordinary officer.
djp14150 Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 I live in Seattle..... Seattle has been doing this for all their games (even the preseason) where they go in as undercover cops wearing opponents jerseys. I think some could argue entrapment
JohnC Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 Plus, busting a guy at the line for hotdogs in 101 doesn't deter him from going up to roam the upper levels or returning to a seat or as someone else mentioned simply having radio (or text) contact with someone to come handle it Not to mention tailgates, and postgame in parking lots. Yes, arresting the person in the seat next to him would blow his cover at that seat but that still means at the very worst he's simply become an ordinary officer. It's surprising the number of people who believe that it is acceptable behavior to get rip roaring drunk at a public event. It's not. I don't want to sit near or be near a foul mouth and alcoholic reeking slob at a sporting event. Harrassing people who are wearing attire associated with the other team is not acceptable behavior. There is a segment of the fan base that attend the games for the expressed purpose of getting insanely drunk. Those fools are ruining it for everyone else. They are a menace. There are those people who argue that you don't have the resources to deal with all the bad actors at the game. Maybe that is true. But that isn't a good argument not to do anything to make idiots accountable. You do your best within your limitations to deal with a problem. Eventually the message will be heard that certain types of behavior are not going to be tolerated at this particular venue. The tough security approach isn't for the 3% of the shiiitheads who are creating problems; it is for the 97% of the responsible people who paid their money to watch a game.
NoSaint Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 I think some could argue entrapment feel free to make the argument....
JohnC Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) I live in Seattle..... Seattle has been doing this for all their games (even the preseason) where they go in as undercover cops wearing opponents jerseys. I think some could argue entrapment It's not entrapment. Not close to being entrapment. Entrapment is when the authorities use a technique to get someone who is not inclined to commit a criminal act to commit a criminal act. An undercover office wearing an opponent's jersey is not enticing a drunken thug to harrass anyone. The thug is simply harrassing someone in a jersey who he/she was already inclined to harrass. Edited September 18, 2013 by JohnC
Chimp Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) or - don't wear provacative clothing. So...rape then, is that cool? Her clothes warrant it? Edited September 18, 2013 by Chimp
zazie Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 So...rape then, is that cool? Her clothes warrant it? point well taken. I have to concede that one. neither rape nor violence is ever acceptable.
MarkAF43 Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 point well taken. I have to concede that one. neither rape nor violence is ever acceptable. As to my earlier point neither is excessive swearing or dumping beer on people either. Adults need to act like adults and not get hostile because your outfit doesn't look like mine.
UticaBill Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 Increased visibility of security is the only PROPER response.... people don't act criminally when they think they are likely to get caught, they wait until they believe the coast is clear....
OCinBuffalo Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 So...rape then, is that cool? Yes. Rape the Jets! And, the EJ trade was a raping of the Rams. I think we all agree that it was beyond cool. The Rams fans may disagree however.
djp14150 Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 It's not entrapment. Not close to being entrapment. Entrapment is when the authorities use a technique to get someone who is not inclined to commit a criminal act to commit a criminal act. An undercover office wearing an opponent's jersey is not enticing a drunken thug to harrass anyone. The thug is simply harrassing someone in a jersey who he/she was already inclined to harrass. such as the uncover cops baiting the fans to start a fight--by smack talking and oing other things----that is entrapment.
zazie Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 such as the uncover cops baiting the fans to start a fight--by smack talking and oing other things----that is entrapment. Yes, that was my point from earlier in the thread. it would happen, for certain, at some point, that the line was crossed and the cops were inciting the bad behaviour. Glad at least one person comprehends the slippery slope putting cops in that position, would be. Yes. Rape the Jets! And, the EJ trade was a raping of the Rams. I think we all agree that it was beyond cool. The Rams fans may disagree however. ugly terminology and quite un-called for.
MDH Posted September 19, 2013 Posted September 19, 2013 Exactly.....the NFL network promoted the **** out of the new league bag/bringing stuff into the stadium policy......they could do the same and make a huge difference. Of course, the whole point of the Doomsday Machine is lost if you keep it a secret!
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