mrags Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 If a player gives himself up the play is over. But...that kick should have been a lot deeper. this---^ I'm thinking if it was our normal kicker we would have booted it down on a squib to about the 20ish. The fact that Carpenter didn't get it down far enough to be effective. The other advantage to the squib is that your hoping the receiving team can't field the kick and touch it but can't secure it. At this point the clock starts and by the time he gets control of the ball it's too late to down. As it stands, the big blocking type of players up front dont have the hands that the normal receivers do on kick returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Then why squib at all? Homerun throw forward comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Should have been an onside kick to go for the jugular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Should have been an onside kick to go for the juggler. Seems harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Seems harsh. I think it was Miss Florida who juggled batons the other night. I'd go for that juggler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Did we not see that kick in Tennessee 13 years ago ? Just saying STAY IN YOUR LANES!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 this---^ I'm thinking if it was our normal kicker we would have booted it down on a squib to about the 20ish. The fact that Carpenter didn't get it down far enough to be effective. The other advantage to the squib is that your hoping the receiving team can't field the kick and touch it but can't secure it. At this point the clock starts and by the time he gets control of the ball it's too late to down. As it stands, the big blocking type of players up front dont have the hands that the normal receivers do on kick returns. So then the call comes down to a subjective interpretation of whether the ball was fielded cleanly?? Seems harsh. Now that's funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I assume someone covered this but didn't want to read the thread. My recollection of the rules is: -The clock doesn't start on a KO in the last two minutes until it touches a memeber of the receiving team. -A kickoff can be fair caught/downed by the receiving team just like a punt. In fact, the receiving team has the option to try a free kick FG from that spot (as Bills fans should know since the last time it was done successfully was against the Bills). Therefore, it's possible for a KO to take no time off the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Yeah, I would have preferred that he kick it to around the 20 yard line. Having said that, that's exactly what we did in the Music City Miracle ... Actually, the best thing to do is simply kick it out of the end zone if your kicker has the leg. Had Hopkins been playing, they'd probably have had him do a regular KO into and through the endzone. With Carpenter, they couldn't trust him to they had him squib it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microscopes Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Not deep enough. And it didn't bruise the sides, either. GO BILLS!!! Squibs generally don't make it very far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I don't mind the squib w/ all the factors mentioned above. Likely the Carolina player drops it, time is out. Or, they have to try a Hail Mary, which has a low chance of success. Would have liked the squib to go further, or bounce more (greater chance of mishandling). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) Squibs generally don't make it very far. Squibs routinely make it farther than Carpenter's attempt, that's for sure. It helps when you don't kick it right at somebody. GO BILLS!!! Edited September 17, 2013 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) I apologize if this has been covered already, but I was at the game and couldn't believe that the Panthers could field the squib kick before 2 seconds expired. It appeared that the fielding player got the ball and immediately took a knee in the field of play (I had no idea you could do that). I thought that the play could only be blown dead once a Bills' player touched him down. The result was that Carolina had a shot from a point on the field where their QB could reach the endzone. (Thankfully, Kiko ended that threat with a huge sack). So, I assume that means that in a similar situation teams should not squib. Also, the Bills ST coach should have known about this rule, don't you think? Yeah the clock only starts on a return, you can fair catch or kneel and the clock will not run. The idea was obviously to run out the clock, and it was a smart play/good coaching by the defender. My only issue with that play is that it was simply a poor squibb kick. It should have been harder. I think you'd ideally want a defender to field it around the 25-30, that way they either return it (by a blocker), or are out of hail mary range. I do believe it was the right call though. Carpenter hasn't been getting touch backs and you don't want to have to defend a return. Kicking out it out of bounds is simply asinine, as it guarantees hail mary field position, and it guarantees that time will be remaining on the clock. One other thing to note...This call was absolutely made by Marrone, no way he is letting his ST coach decide what play get's run in this situation. Edited September 17, 2013 by Turbosrrgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 STAY IN YOUR LANES!!!!! The overhead shot of where the 11 Bills where at the moment of the lateral was pretty infuriating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Give credit to Carolina's special team for knowing the rules. These situations are why you need a guy who can get it through the back of the end zone. I heard Stevie was on the field playing as a DB for that last play. I wonder if that is because we don't have enough DB's due to all the injuries or just because Stevie is good at tracking and high-pointing balls in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Give credit to Carolina's special team for knowing the rules. These situations are why you need a guy who can get it through the back of the end zone. I heard Stevie was on the field playing as a DB for that last play. I wonder if that is because we don't have enough DB's due to all the injuries or just because Stevie is good at tracking and high-pointing balls in the air. I thought it was common to bring WRs in to defend the Hail Mary. I could be mistaken. Having Fitz for so many years, a Hail Mary for him was a screen pass to CJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) I thought it was common to bring WRs in to defend the Hail Mary. I could be mistaken. Having Fitz for so many years, a Hail Mary for him was a screen pass to CJ. It is indeed common. The Bills used Moulds a few times to defend hail mary's back in his day. Edited September 17, 2013 by Turbosrrgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I heard Stevie was on the field playing as a DB for that last play. I wonder if that is because we don't have enough DB's due to all the injuries or just because Stevie is good at tracking and high-pointing balls in the air. I think that's fairly common. WRs are usually tall and can jump; the two key skills required to defend a Hail Mary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 It might have been a poorly kicked ball. This was my take. I assumed that Carpenter was directed to squib it deep (out of the range where Newton could reach the endzone in the air) and inadvertently kicked it right to the player who fielded it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Did not want Ginn to field the ball or have one of the up men begin a lateral dance of death. They were well coached to take a knee IMMEDIATELY. Play does not resume until the receiving team puts the ball in play after the catch. No time was run off the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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