timba Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 It doesn't look like EJ trusts TJ like he does Stevie and Woods. I can't say I really blame him when TJ doesn't try to make a play on the ball, even if it's underthrown. The WGR guys were saying Graham was getting over in the 2nd half, but EJ wasn't looking his way. I'd like to see them get on the same page to see some productivity.
Jauronimo Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 I don't expect Easely to light the league on fire, but given his strong play on special teams and the fact that we are getting no production from WRs not named Johnson or Woods, I think Easely has earned a chance. Hes making big plays in his limited role, so lets see if he can make some plays at WR. TJ isn't giving us anything so far.
djp14150 Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 TJ is clearly not Marrone's choice, but Nix/Whaley's. They told him to anoint TJ a starter and that he'll be the next Mike Wallace. They need a reality check, it's not going to happen. Easely has had very few chances over 3 seasons, but still managed to show some playmaking ability over many preseasons. TJ was the exact opposite. He has been targeted over 60 times and yet, still hasn't shown anything special. One thing he HAS shown is that he's willing to drop a ball if it means not getting hit. Wait.... Easley IR year 1 IR year 2---heart thing PS to start year 3, on the roster to close it. Easley hasnt been given the chance. I would like it if they gave Easley a shot. He does have speed.
quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 16, 2013 Author Posted September 16, 2013 Here's my gripe: Graham's gift is speed. But not route running, just go routes down the sideline. That's all good and well, but when your best route is a risky throw down the sidelines which usually has to be on the money and over a CB under a safety, it's not the best for a rookie QB. We need possession WR in there and I think Easely is much more suited for that.
ndirish1978 Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Here's my gripe: Graham's gift is speed. But not route running, just go routes down the sideline. That's all good and well, but when your best route is a risky throw down the sidelines which usually has to be on the money and over a CB under a safety, it's not the best for a rookie QB. We need possession WR in there and I think Easely is much more suited for that. Wait, what's logic and reasoned argument got to do with this? I thought we were busy hijacking the thread with speculation on how the front office is strong-arming the coaches and meddling with the roster?
Captain Caveman Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 I thought it was interesting that Hogan was on the field for SJ's TD...swapping speed for posession? Easley could have been used? I would think if there was something up they would have thrown the towel in on him and gone with a younger player...great hit on special teams though... I would expect goal line formations to favor size, strength and hands.
PromoTheRobot Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 All I can say is there must be more to the story. When a guy can't find the field under two consecutive coaching regimes, something's going on. He's been injured or on IR for most of his career. This is his first healthy season. Plus there is a hierarchy among players. TJ was a draftee so he gets a little more rope. PTR
The Big Cat Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 He's been injured or on IR for most of his career. This is his first healthy season. Plus there is a hierarchy among players. TJ was a draftee so he gets a little more rope. PTR Uh...35 picks separate Easley from Graham...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 I haven't read every comment so it might have been said. On the long ball to TJ yesterday, he was open and had a step. He had no idea and didnt turn around fast enough to look for the ball (his own fault) But I also noticed in other plays he was wide open in the 2nd half many other times. Now, of that's EJs fault for not trusting him, or for not getting through his progressions fast enough, or of another WR was also open and EJ made the okay somewhere else. All these options are possible. I'm not ready to give up yet. The missed long ball yesterday is proof that he's getting open deep. Maybe EJ just needs to work on timing with him a bit. Either way, I'm ok with giving it another game or 2 to find out for sure. Agreed. As fans we like to blame bad plays on one player but often it is two or more players that make mistakes. On the bomb, it was a terrible throw by EJ but it was a terrible effort and ability to track the ball by TJ. On the INT, it was a terrible throw by EJ. But TJ just stood there and didn't attack the ball like Keuchly did. At the very least he could have caused an INC instead of an INT. That said, TJ got open numerous times in the game. He has some talent and obvious speed. But his head is not in the game it seems to me. There is hope for him but I would like to see Easley in there.
mrags Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Agreed. As fans we like to blame bad plays on one player but often it is two or more players that make mistakes. On the bomb, it was a terrible throw by EJ but it was a terrible effort and ability to track the ball by TJ. On the INT, it was a terrible throw by EJ. But TJ just stood there and didn't attack the ball like Keuchly did. At the very least he could have caused an INC instead of an INT. That said, TJ got open numerous times in the game. He has some talent and obvious speed. But his head is not in the game it seems to me. There is hope for him but I would like to see Easley in there. glad to see we see the same thing on this one. I also would like to see some Easley as well. Think we lack a big physical WR at this point and he would provide that to us. Would be ok if Chandler would step up but he seems to drop lol a sack of bricks when he gets hit. So because of that, we really don't have anyone physical catching the ball. At the same time, he's playing so well on STs I almost don't want to mess with that.
billrooter Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 (edited) All I can say is there must be more to the story. When a guy can't find the field under two consecutive coaching regimes, something's going on. I believe this is year number 4 for Easley two years right of the bat can be eliminated, from his broken leg and heart condition. I'd love for them to give him a chance, he seems like he might have finally found his groove as a receiver, though the fact that he has been a really good gunner on special teams thus far might have something to do with it. Edited September 16, 2013 by billrooter
Boatdrinks Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 TJ has the gift of speed, which this coaching staff loves, but he is beyond raw as a route runner. Don't recall which quarter, but one of the deep balls that EJ missed was up the R sideline to Graham. TJ ran a horrible excuse for an out and up. Didn't fool the DB one bit on the out fake. TJ got a step on him eventually due to his speed, but his poor route made EJ hold on to that one a second longer and he had to lead him a bit extra because the DB was still on his hip. I can see why EJ is reluctant with Graham, his routes are flat out bad. Compare that with Woods, who glides through his routes like a seasoned vet already.
PromoTheRobot Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Uh...35 picks separate Easley from Graham... But marinating on IR for two seasons drops you a few rungs, don't you think? PTR
artmalibu Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 (edited) What I dont understand is how some people think that they are better talent evaluators by watching what TV shows. The coaches see all the game film in more angles and are present at the practices as well. What am I missing? Edited September 16, 2013 by artmalibu
ElMarko Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 (edited) Woods was "dinged" while blocking on the Manual scramble to the 2-yard line. I was bummed he went off the field on his own because I thought EJ was going to hit him for the winning TD. I have to say, Hogan was ready in a nanosecond and in position FAST. It was not a coaching replacement. Edited September 16, 2013 by ElMarko
You herd it hear last Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Perhaps they're saving Easley for a George Wilson-like move to safety.
fergie's ire Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 I remember in OTA's and early in training camp all we were hearing was how TJ was lighting it up. Certainly that has an impact on the coaching staff's decision. Also, when he was performing well, I remember the description being that it looked like EJ had overthrown TJ but he somehow managed to put on the jets and track it down. That is what you want him to do. Not sure why all the throws to TJ now are short....maybe it is timing issue, maybe EJ is being too careful in game situations, maybe it is because of the rush...but I think for this offence to work, it needs that kind of threat. No, the throws aren't working now...and the offense is not working very well now. However, you don't give up on your offense two weeks in the season...especially when you have a bunch of young players who are learning. Except in special games (like any time the Bills played the Steelers), Don Beebe was not catching a ton of balls....but he caught enough deep balls to make the opponent nervous about the threat...which opened things up in a fast paced offense for the likes of Reed, and Thomas and Metzelaars.
Rob's House Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 What I dont understand is how some people think that they are better talent evaluators by watching what TV shows. The coaches see all the game film in more angles and are present at the practices as well. What am I missing? Your point is well taken, and for the most part you're right, but sometimes coaches make the wrong decision for a number of reasons. Let's not forget there was a time when James Hardy and Lee Evans were starting and Stevie was on the PS.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 Would this even be discussed if EJ didn't under throw TJ when he clearly beat his guy deep? Probably we would because I think a lot of the frustration directed at TJ is due to two years worth of undershooting expectations. Hope he and EJ get synched up soon.
NoName Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 Your point is well taken, and for the most part you're right, but sometimes coaches make the wrong decision for a number of reasons. Let's not forget there was a time when James Hardy and Lee Evans were starting and Stevie was on the PS. Wow! That really puts things into perspective. Now that I think about it, there was a similar pleed from Bills fan to give Stevie some reps based on his pre season and very limited action he received. I really think Easley can be a really good receiver. But like another poster said, this is the second group of coaches. And if they aren't putting him in there must be a reason.
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