Buffalo vs. Carolina: Official Game Day Thread

[Gugny]

Look up the yards after catch.

 

You'll learn something.

Can this be said for most QBs' passing stats on most Sundays, though?

 

As far as his checkdowns to Chandler, I agree with Beerball. Chandler is running the route of the play called. The problem isn't EJ throwing to a stationary target. The problem is that said stationary target isn't at or near the first down marker. That's not EJ's fault; nor is it Chandler's. They should be calling those plays on 3rd and 2; not 3rd and long.

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Can this be said for most QBs' passing stats on most Sundays, though?

 

As far as his checkdowns to Chandler, I agree with Beerball. Chandler is running the route of the play called. The problem isn't EJ throwing to a stationary target. The problem is that said stationary target isn't at or near the first down marker. That's not EJ's fault; nor is it Chandler's. They should be calling those plays on 3rd and 2; not 3rd and long.

 

Yes it can.

 

But not to this extent.

 

QB's who are throwing 10+ yards downfield regularly won't have as much yards after the catch.

 

Isn't that poor play design?

 

Sometimes.

 

But I think often its the safety valve for the play. The last read. If the preferred routes are covered, you have to throw the ball somewhere.

 

At least thats what I've always been taught.

[Gugny]

Yes it can.

 

But not to this extent.

 

QB's who are throwing 10+ yards downfield regularly won't have as much yards after the catch.

 

 

 

Sometimes.

 

But I think often its the safety valve for the play. The last read. If the preferred routes are covered, you have to throw the ball somewhere.

 

At least thats what I've always been taught.

Given the fact that yesterday was the second game of his NFL career, I think the checkdowns were understandable. Don't you?

[PromoTheRobot]

 

 

Look up the yards after catch.

 

You'll learn something.

You say that as if yards after a catch are a bad thing. You are a troll.

 

PTR

[Beerball]

Sometimes.

 

But I think often its the safety valve for the play. The last read. If the preferred routes are covered, you have to throw the ball somewhere.

 

At least thats what I've always been taught.

But that last read doesn't have to be a stationary target who stands little chance of gaining additional yards. That's poor play design and I hope we don't see it again.

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Given the fact that yesterday was the second game of his NFL career, I think the checkdowns were understandable. Don't you?

 

I do.

 

I just worry, given the Bills past QB's, that he never grows out of it.

 

I'm hopeful though.

 

But that last read doesn't have to be a stationary target who stands little chance of gaining additional yards. That's poor play design and I hope we don't see it again.

 

Very good point.

 

You say that as if yards after a catch are a bad thing. You are a troll.

 

PTR

 

YAC is NOT a bad thing.

 

But if you have a lot of it, you can't use the average yards per completion as an indicator of a QB's willingness to check down or not.

[Gugny]

Yes it can.

 

But not to this extent.

 

QB's who are throwing 10+ yards downfield regularly won't have as much yards after the catch.

 

 

Here's some passes in the air stats. Yes, EJ is in the bottom of the pile, here. However ... he's in good company and is less than a yard from being in the top half.

 

And if you filter on YAC %, you'll see that he's 16th.. Right in the middle.

 

http://wp.advancednflstats.com/airYardsStats.php

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Here's some passes in the air stats. Yes, EJ is in the bottom of the pile, here. However ... he's in good company and is less than a yard from being in the top half.

 

And if you filter on YAC %, you'll see that he's 16th.. Right in the middle.

 

http://wp.advancednf...rYardsStats.php

 

That page is only after 1 game, probably because it takes a while to separate out the YAC from the total yards.

 

Here is an up-to-date table (with different metrics) on QBs: http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playerstats.php?pos=QB

 

QB with the highest % of passes thrown deep: Geno Smith @ 32.9%. (Hint to EJ: don't emulate Geno, please. EJ=21%)

EJ is 5th in completion % at 68%. And 10th in Adjusted Yards/Attempt (adjusted to include sacks and INT returns, I think): 5.9 yds.

[PromoTheRobot]

 

 

I do.

 

I just worry, given the Bills past QB's, that he never grows out of it.

 

I'm hopeful though.

 

 

 

Very good point.

 

 

 

YAC is NOT a bad thing.

 

But if you have a lot of it, you can't use the average yards per completion as an indicator of a QB's willingness to check down or not.

So you are saying you'd rather see a 10yd pass with no YAC than a 5yd pass with 5 YAC? What's the difference? If a defense if giving you the underneath stuff and you still get the yards, why wouldn't you take them? There is more risk of a turnover throwing longer, or is that what you actually want?

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So you are saying you'd rather see a 10yd pass with no YAC than a 5yd pass with 5 YAC? What's the difference? If a defense if giving you the underneath stuff and you still get the yards, why wouldn't you take them? There is more risk of a turnover throwing longer, or is that what you actually want?

 

No, what I'm saying is that you can't use YPC as an indicator of whether a QB is checking down or not.

 

That's what I'm saying.

 

Because YAC muddies the water.

 

I'm saying you used a faulty argument.

 

Here's some passes in the air stats. Yes, EJ is in the bottom of the pile, here. However ... he's in good company and is less than a yard from being in the top half.

 

And if you filter on YAC %, you'll see that he's 16th.. Right in the middle.

 

http://wp.advancednf...rYardsStats.php

 

Right.

 

That'll take a day or two to update for the week 2 games.

[nucci]

Anyone bring up the fact that Panthers kicked their last FG on 4th and 1 instead of going for a 1st down to end the game?