It's In Philly, Not Buffalo

[HeHateMe]

Washington played terrible, the Eagles O won't look that good every game.. Vick will get dinged up, teams will actually play defense vs them in the first half.

 

The hurry up is great and everything if you rack up first downs, not so much when you are 3 and out in under a minute... sending a tired D back out on to the field.

[BetterNextYearRight?]

I think the problem here is looking to much at what Philly did as opposed to what Washington didn't do. RG3 was horrible, honestly would have preferred Rex Grossman in that game. Really does seem like the injury has mentally effected him, maybe we might see the short career some people predicted. Can't really tell if C.Kelly's offensive scheme is better then the Bills after one game, A REAL offense can impose it's will even if the defense knows exactly whats coming. Lets give it until week 10 to really make judgement. Also gotta remember Desean Jackson, Vick, McCoy and Brett Celek are veteran pieces that so far are much more polished then EJ, 2 rookie WR's, a one trick vet in Stevie and Chandler. Plus the Eagles OL has much more talent and played a wonderful game.

[thewildrabbit]

I'm just hoping Marrone and Hackett were tuned into the game.... There is NO REASON the Bills cant do same thing... CJ is as good as Shady and has even a similar running style. They are the 2 best RB's in space. EJ will those quick reads and use Woods as the main guy with the bubble screens. Much better after the catch than SJ13. SJ13 would play the role of #2 WR.

 

The Bills really didnt have the ball that much to get any real momentum on O. But watching Kelly's O last night made me wish we had pushed harder to get him. Vick is old and fragile... EJ is the PERFECT QB for that O. Hopefully we wont see as many bunch sets vs. Carolina and Hack took some notes last night... GIVE CJ SPACE and spread out the field... and get WR's involved with quick hitters which will open up deep passes later. Woods can be phenominal in Desean's role. I've loved the guy his whole college career and he is very much like the Reggie Wayne to Andre Johnson at the U... Lee got all the pub but Woods still constantly made plays as well. Stevie doesnt have the speed to do anything on screens and should be the slot guy (which he is) and work over middle cuz the 1 thing the Eagles have, is TE's that can run. Ertz will be a big threat as yr progresses and Celek made some nice plays. Chandler is so slow its scary. We should have 3 WR and both CJ and Freddy on field in key situations.

 

Vick is not the smartest QB in terms of decision making and made the O look easy. You put EJ out there and stack 2 guys basically on top of each other on both sides on field... impossible for D to stack the box and CJ will just explode. This is not the hardest O to manage as a QB.. U have to know when to hand it off and when to pull it back and EJ has legs to do so and can work well with the quick reads in passing game.

My take is the Bills were trying to keep a TE in to help protect EJ and his knee. So the last thing they probably want to see is him running all the time.

 

But yea, I think the Bills could easily be more potent on offense by simply running the single back, 4 wide, shotgun spread a whole lot more.

 

There may be three big reasons the Bills can't do the same: No speed WR like Jackson (4.35, 40), no running threat like Vick at QB (or the experience), and, perhaps most importantly, we don't have the OLine that Philly has.

 

GO BILLS!!!

The Bills do have Marquise Goodwin (4.27, 40) (who is now injured) TJ Graham (4.34, 40)(who can't separate and catch)

 

I suspect the Bills don't want EJ running very often at this point.

 

so true about the line, 2 players away

[K-9]

My take is the Bills were trying to keep a TE in to help protect EJ and his knee. So the last thing they probably want to see is him running all the time.

 

But yea, I think the Bills could easily be more potent on offense by simply running the single back, 4 wide, shotgun spread a whole lot more.

 

The Bills do have Marquise Goodwin (4.27, 40) (who is now injured) TJ Graham (4.34, 40)(who can't separate and catch)

 

I suspect the Bills don't want EJ running very often at this point.

 

so true about the line, 2 players away

 

Thus may caveat: like DeSean Jackson. Goodwin and Graham are fast, but they aren't close to being a DeSean Jackson as a receiver.

 

And even if EJ were 100% healthy, he wouldn't be the runner or even the threat of being the runner that Vick is anyway. While he may not be the 4.25 40 guy from his combine, Vick is still very fast and elusive. His play fakes were freezing guys the other night. When he inevitably goes down with injury this year, watch how less effective his replacement is at holding DEs and LBs on fakes.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[mannc]

Can't really tell if C.Kelly's offensive scheme is better then the Bills after one game, A REAL offense can impose it's will even if the defense knows exactly whats coming. Lets give it until week 10 to really make judgement. Also gotta remember Desean Jackson, Vick, McCoy and Brett Celek are veteran pieces that so far are much more polished then EJ, 2 rookie WR's, a one trick vet in Stevie and Chandler. Plus the Eagles OL has much more talent and played a wonderful game.

Wow, with all those weapons, and such a great OL, how did they finish 4-12 last year?

 

I want to see this offense in week 10 once D cords have had time to adjust to it.

I also wonder about how long Vick will last. I watched him play here in ATL, he always went for the extra yard. Vick was the fastest guy on the field back in the early 2000's. Not so much now. Father time has slowed him down a step or two. Take that into consideration with his age and injury looming.

Kelly will only be succesful if he adapts to the pro game. His O looks nice now, but so did the wildcat and the run and shoot. You have to adapt because the D cords will. Being stubborn will ultimately lead to Kelly failing,

Two things: Yes, NFL coordinators will make adjustments, but the Eagles' offense will not stand still either. They will be constantly fine-tuning, adjusting and improving what they do. Monday night was Kelly's (and his players') very first game running this offense in the NFL. Vick is a very good QB for Kelly's system, but I agree that he probably won't make it through the entire season and he's 31 years old. He looked to be nursing some sort of injury in the second half. When Vick was hobbled the offense did not work nearly as well because the threat of the QB run was more or less gone. The Eagles will be much-improved this year, but they certainly are not going to steam-roll everyone the way they did in the first half on Monday. It will take Kelly a couple years to plug the players he wants into his system.

[BuffOrange]

People are obsessing way too much about the Redskins game. "OMG Skins sucked, Vick gonna get hurt, Eagles not gonna win Super Bowl!".

 

Really? Who cares. Yes he's eventually going to need better players on defense and Vick isn't the future. So what? They're not all-in for this year circa 2011 Philly or 1994 SF.

 

How does everyone know he's a stubborn 1trick pony who will never adjust to anything ever? Maybe he's just analytical/smart & this style of offense just happened to be the edge he thought he could exploit at the time & he'll come up with something else when defenses adjust. That's not possible?

 

This guy is under such a bigger microscope than any other coach it is comical (nobody else gets a road underdog/division win nitpicked to death). That's saying something with a league that has Rex Ryan.

[YoloinOhio]

People are obsessing way too much about the Redskins game. "OMG Skins sucked, Vick gonna get hurt, Eagles not gonna win Super Bowl!".

 

Really? Who cares. Yes he's eventually going to need better players on defense and Vick isn't the future. So what? They're not all-in for this year circa 2011 Philly or 1994 SF.

 

How does everyone know he's a stubborn 1trick pony who will never adjust to anything ever? Maybe he's just analytical/smart & this style of offense just happened to be the edge he thought he could exploit at the time & he'll come up with something else when defenses adjust. That's not possible?

 

This guy is under such a bigger microscope than any other coach it is comical (nobody else gets a road underdog/division win nitpicked to death). That's saying something with a league that has Rex Ryan.

It could be because some of the other college-to-NFL HCs actually have some NFL experience (Marrone, Carroll) prior to their head college gigs. Kelly is very green from that standpoint, and I think people question his overall capacity to keep up and build on this all year considering the rest of the league will now have film. It has been compared to Spurrier's debut, and before you say that is crazy, if you look at their first games they were very similar. I am not saying this is what I think will happen, this is just what some of the media skeptics are saying. Plus - in college, you have 85 players, 12 games plus a bowl. Usually your starters only play 3 qtrs if the game is a blowout which happens in at least 1/4 of the college schedule. In the NFL you have 50 guys and could play 20 games including the playoffs... the games are closer and you rarely pull starters in the reg season. It is just a big difference. Edited September 12, 2013 by YoloInTheBlo

[BuffOrange]

It could be because some of the other college-to-NFL HCs actually have some NFL experience (Marrone, Carroll) prior to their head college gigs. Kelly is very green from that standpoint, and I think people question his overall capacity to keep up and build on this all year considering the rest of the league will now have film. It has been compared to Spurrier's debut, and before you say that is crazy, if you look at their first games they were very similar. I am not saying this is what I think will happen, this is just what some of the media skeptics are saying. Plus - in college, you have 85 players, 12 games plus a bowl. Usually your starters only play 3 qtrs if the game is a blowout which happens in at least 1/4 of the college schedule. In the NFL you have 50 guys and could play 20 games including the playoffs... the games are closer and you rarely pull starters in the reg season. It is just a big difference.

 

Yes, college coaches can and have failed. Just as the young hotshot coordinators & retreads HC's fail all the time (as Bills fans all know). Of course you can find more counter examples of the latter two categories succeeding because they've had many, many more opportunities to do so. There are more Bill Belichiks and Pete Carrol's than Jimmy Johnson's; for the same reason there are more Dick Jaurons and Steve Spagnolas than Spurriers. More of them get hired. A lot more of them. I think the specific background is overrated - you have to find the right guy. Just like you want to draft a good player regardless of position. Everything I've read/seen about Kelly makes me think he is the right guy.

 

IMO media skeptics want to be skeptical partially because they want to believe all the football cliches they've heard & regurgitated their whole lives: Gotta punt & play field position, gotta run a conventional offense, blah blah.

 

I do think there's some merit to the bolded part. It'll be interesting to see how well guys like McCoy can hold up - I don't think they want to give him 30+ carries every game. Also I picked Bryce Brown in fantasy & think he has a ton of upside, ha.