Sisyphean Bills Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 What's the over-under on how long his career will last?
BillsBytheBay Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 What's the over-under on how long his career will last? i think it's all on if he can mature. Maybe he lights it up, maybe he plays poor and doesn't care, maybe he gets his but whooped, and he eats some humble pie. I don't think being a Jet does him any favors though. They will let issues fester until the become larger issues.
Big Turk Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) how many times did poor decisions by fitz, put us down early? im not trying to turn this into a "what if" Fitz had a defense conversation. My only point is that Sanchez is a good QB still. Not great. And with weapons around him, he can make plays to win big games. Like I said before, 6 TDs to 0 Int in his last playoff appearance. Regardless of who the Jets start, unless they fix the coaching and managing issues, is probably going to fail. Sanchez is not a good QB...he isn't even average, he is bad...plain and simple. He is a turnover machine and makes poor decisions. He is a horrible leader that pouts when things go bad and is overly sensitive. His teammates have ZERO faith in him regardless of what they may say publicly...privately they just laugh at how bad it is... If you watch Sanchez and think that is good QB play,you must think Fitz was the next Joe Montana, lol i think it's all on if he can mature. Maybe he lights it up, maybe he plays poor and doesn't care, maybe he gets his but whooped, and he eats some humble pie. I don't think being a Jet does him any favors though. They will let issues fester until the become larger issues. It's very hard to make a lazy person into a workaholic...its kinda ingrained in their persona Edited September 6, 2013 by matter2003
artmalibu Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 Geno probably doesn't know what to look for on the tape anyway
BillsBytheBay Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 Sanchez is not a good QB...he isn't even average, he is bad...plain and simple. He is a turnover machine and makes poor decisions. He is a horrible leader that pouts when things go bad and is overly sensitive. His teammates have ZERO faith in him regardless of what they may say publicly...privately they just laugh at how bad it is... If you watch Sanchez and think that is good QB play,you must think Fitz was the next Joe Montana, lol It's very hard to make a lazy person into a workaholic...its kinda ingrained in their persona I've already said my piece on Sanchez, and I don't care to reiterate. Like I said before, we can disagree....plain and simple. Now Geno is, what...22 or 23? Far to young for anyone to be making declarations on his ability to mature. I agree that the media has done its best to make him look like a Turd, but that's it at this point.
prissythecat Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 how many times did poor decisions by fitz, put us down early? im not trying to turn this into a "what if" Fitz had a defense conversation. My only point is that Sanchez is a good QB still. Not great. And with weapons around him, he can make plays to win big games. Like I said before, 6 TDs to 0 Int in his last playoff appearance. Regardless of who the Jets start, unless they fix the coaching and managing issues, is probably going to fail. Sanchize's career stats: Completion % YPA TD Int. Rating 55.1 % 6.5 68 69 71.7 Those aren't really the numbers associated with a good QB. I would tend to say that Sanchez is very limited and you can only rely on him to manage the offense on a team where the defense and running game predominate. He cannot carry a team on his back like a Peyton Manning or a Brees for instance.
biglukes Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 Sanchize's career stats: Completion % YPA TD Int. Rating 55.1 % 6.5 68 69 71.7 Those aren't really the numbers associated with a good QB. I would tend to say that Sanchez is very limited and you can only rely on him to manage the offense on a team where the defense and running game predominate. He cannot carry a team on his back like a Peyton Manning or a Brees for instance. He also gets demerits for that stupid headband he wears and awful beard.
BillsBytheBay Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 He cannot carry a team on his back like a Peyton Manning or a Brees for instance. That's actally what I stated from the very beginning. The point I was making; with a talented roster, he can win. When he played with a good jets team, he took them to the AFC title game, twice. When he played for a bad jets team, he was the focal point of a failing organization.
FLFan Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 I've already said my piece on Sanchez, and I don't care to reiterate. Like I said before, we can disagree....plain and simple. Now Geno is, what...22 or 23? Far to young for anyone to be making declarations on his ability to mature. I agree that the media has done its best to make him look like a Turd, but that's it at this point. Geno Smith does not the media to make him look bad. He does that all by himself. No media conspiracy necessary.
BillsBytheBay Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 Geno Smith does not the media to make him look bad. He does that all by himself. No media conspiracy necessary. didn't imply a conspiracy at all. And yes, he has done some to make him self look bad, but the media does like to report that "sources" say this, and that. You know regular Jets stuff. I never said he wasn't a Turd, just everyone wants to put a lot of emphasis on it. Back to my point, nothing says he can't mature.
Philly McButterpants Posted September 7, 2013 Posted September 7, 2013 SJCI Class of 1987 1993 myself 1990 for me Rats, I'm the old man of the group. Class of '82. Hey, get off my lawn you kids!
Big Turk Posted September 7, 2013 Posted September 7, 2013 I've already said my piece on Sanchez, and I don't care to reiterate. Like I said before, we can disagree....plain and simple. Now Geno is, what...22 or 23? Far to young for anyone to be making declarations on his ability to mature. I agree that the media has done its best to make him look like a Turd, but that's it at this point. Lol, the media doesn't have to work very hard, just ask him any question regarding effort or work ethic and he pretty much hands it to them on a gold platter... Funny how no media member says anything but great things about EJ's work ethic or preparation... Perhaps they simply are telling it like it is? It could never be that simple, tho right?
NoSaint Posted September 7, 2013 Posted September 7, 2013 (edited) Lol, the media doesn't have to work very hard, just ask him any question regarding effort or work ethic and he pretty much hands it to them on a gold platter... Funny how no media member says anything but great things about EJ's work ethic or preparation... Perhaps they simply are telling it like it is? It could never be that simple, tho right? It's certainly part of the narrative on geno - no doubt. I don't think johns trying to deny that. I think he's pointing out that once the door cracks open it becomes the easy, soft ball, generic story for them to tell instead of drilling down and then it snowballs as they start citing each other. You've watched it with plenty of athletes with good or bad reviews. Critical thinking, research, and independent analysis is often lacking among the media and guys get shoe horned into simple packages. That's not to say they are absolutely inaccurate either. Lazy reporting can still be accurate and right now geno is making it easy for them to tell a story about him without much effort on their end. If he doesn't watch out the ny media will bury him fast. I liked geno coming out, but I just don't think he has a shot in NY between the circus team, the market, the instability at coach, players that backstab.... He'd have to be manning or luck and he's not. He's a high talent high upside kid that has some learning to do and I don't know how he's going to get that done where he is. It's tough stuff even in a good situation. Edited September 7, 2013 by NoSaint
BillsBytheBay Posted September 7, 2013 Posted September 7, 2013 It's certainly part of the narrative on geno - no doubt. I don't think johns trying to deny that. I think he's pointing out that once the door cracks open it becomes the easy, soft ball, generic story for them to tell instead of drilling down and then it snowballs as they start citing each other. You've watched it with plenty of athletes with good or bad reviews. Critical thinking, research, and independent analysis is often lacking among the media and guys get show horned into simple packages. That's not to say they are absolutely inaccurate either. Lazy reporting can still be accurate and right now geno is making it easy for them to tell a story about him without much effort on their end. If he doesn't watch out the ny media will bury him fast. I liked geno coming out, but I just don't think he has a shot in NY between the circus team, the market, the instability at coach, players that backstab.... He'd have to be manning or luck and he's not. He's a high talent high upside kid that has some learning to do and I don't know how he's going to get that done where he is. It's tough stuff even in a good situation. +1
BillsBytheBay Posted September 7, 2013 Posted September 7, 2013 Perhaps they simply are telling it like it is? It could never be that simple, tho right? its rarely that simple.
billsfan89 Posted September 7, 2013 Posted September 7, 2013 Its pretty obvious Geno Smith isn't going to make it in the NFL, he doesn't have the raw natural talent and skillset of Mike Vick when he was in Atlanta and he didn't study too much tape and in the NFL you have to put that extra prep in if you want to make it. Too much money on the line for 90% of the players to not study tape. The defenders are going to try to know you better than you know yourself.
Meatloaf Sandwich Posted September 7, 2013 Posted September 7, 2013 He has absolutely no one to throw to. Holmes... And that guy has been injured his whole career.
ganesh Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 I wouldn't. The Jets' top 5 defenses those years were what carried that ship. 2009: Jets D #1 overall; 2010: jets D 3rd overall; 2011 Jets D 5th overall. A lot easier to be a QB when you can play it safe and don't have to put up 40pts a game to guarantee a win. I think Sanchez had wonderful post-seasons. He made plays in those post-season games. It was not always the defense. As other posters have suggested, the Jets blew themselves by not re-signing those talented running backs and gave his no WR targets. Sanchez is a system QB and can excel when the support cast is good.
Meatloaf Sandwich Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 Geno smiths TUDE will be adjusted by 4pm Sunday that's for sure.
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