Chef Jim Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 To a point. To a point. Geographical (includes favorable climate) relevance is always number one. Name a town that does well, I will name you the favorable global position and/or the sweet heart deal they got going. Ready, set, go! South San Francisco, Moutainview, Santa Clara, Redwood City, San Jose, Palm Springs, Calgary, Edmonton, Atlanta. You and your damn global position. It's strong leadership with a vision and hard work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Ready, set, go! South San Francisco, Moutainview, Santa Clara, Redwood City, San Jose, Palm Springs, Calgary, Edmonton, Atlanta. You and your damn global position. It's strong leadership with a vision and hard work. You have a lot of gateway cities... Surprised you didn't mention Denver or Phoenix? Palm Springs = resort perfect weather 365. Oasis in the desert. Destination. Edmonton = Transporatition hub. Capital, centrally located within the large province of Alberta. Even though that is gov't doing with regard to where the old fort/trading post was (along a river... Saskatchawan River)... Still relevant along highway to Alaska. Calgary= Transportation hub. Gateway to the mountains @ two rivers (Elbow & Bow). Still relevant along highway to Alaska. Atlanta= Classic tranportation hub of the south. First rail, now jet. Capital of GA as much as it is the "Capital" of the South. More Centrally located w/in the south. Bay Area=enough said. Sprang up around San Fran gateway. Then there is silicon valley/coastal/etc... area which was originally agriculture and still predominately is for the country and world. Perfect climate, great growing season. One of the ag centers of the west (with moutain irrigation). Tech now dispersed within peferct climate and scenary. What made all these cities is still very much in play. How would you explain the success of cities stuck in the middle of a desert, like Vegas or Phoenix? Vegas, I will give you... How many gambling centers do we need? Destination, tourism, nice climate. Phoenix... Transportation hub. Also climate, tourism destination. Arizona in general with northerners escaping humidity and harsher climates. Again, what made the cities is very much in play. Vegas tucked outta the way for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Vegas, I will give you... How many gambling centers do we need? Destination, tourism, nice climate. Why didn't Atlantic City take off then? It's in a much nicer climate and was close to a large population center to begin with Phoenix... Transportation hub. Also climate, tourism destination. Arizona in general with northerners escaping humidity and harsher climates. Buffalo is a transportation hub too. Also, climate isn't the only reason people fled cities like Buffalo, Detroit, and Cleveland. If climate and a dying way of life destroys an area, why hasn't Pittsburgh suffered the same fate after the Steel Industry went overseas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 You have a lot of gateway cities... Surprised you didn't mention Denver or Phoenix? Palm Springs = resort perfect weather 365. Oasis in the desert. Destination. Wrong. 115 in the summer with very little natural water sources is perfect? I become what is has become due to Edmonton = Transporatition hub. Capital, centrally located within the large province of Alberta. Even though that is gov't doing with regard to where the old fort/trading post was (along a river... Saskatchawan River)... Still relevant along highway to Alaska. Calgary= Transportation hub. Gateway to the mountains @ two rivers (Elbow & Bow). Still relevant along highway to Alaska. Atlanta= Classic tranportation hub of the south. First rail, now jet. Capital of GA as much as it is the "Capital" of the South. More Centrally located w/in the south. Bay Area=enough said. Sprang up around San Fran gateway. Then there is silicon valley/coastal/etc... area which was originally agriculture and still predominately is for the country and world. Perfect climate, great growing season. One of the ag centers of the west (with moutain irrigation). Tech now dispersed within peferct climate and scenary. What made all these cities is still very much in play. Palm Springs - Resort perfect weather?? 115 every day in the summer with very little natural water sources. PS is what it is today due to the vision of a few individuals in teh 40's and 50's You mention a few that Edmonton and Atlanta were transportation hubs. What did their geography have to do with it. But here's the kicker. The Tech giants settled in the Silcon Valley because of perfect weather and scenery? Why didn't Atlantic City take off then? It's in a much nicer climate and was close to a large population center to begin with Buffalo is a transportation hub too. Also, climate isn't the only reason people fled cities like Buffalo, Detroit, and Cleveland. If climate and a dying way of life destroys an area, why hasn't Pittsburgh suffered the same fate after the Steel Industry went overseas? Because he has no idea what he's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 (edited) Why didn't Atlantic City take off then? It's in a much nicer climate and was close to a large population center to begin with Buffalo is a transportation hub too. Also, climate isn't the only reason people fled cities like Buffalo, Detroit, and Cleveland. If climate and a dying way of life destroys an area, why hasn't Pittsburgh suffered the same fate after the Steel Industry went overseas? BFLO is no longer a tranportational hub... Like it or not, it is just not. Cleveland and Detroit a bit more. Weather sucks in Atlantic City during the winter. Jet age. I can get a flight to Vegas cheap and be in perpetual summer. It does get a little cold in Vegas... BUT, there are palm trees, how bad can it be? Pittsburgh is still located near the Tri-state area. Coal country. Coal powers this country. Huntington, WV is one of the busiest ports in the country... Same with the Three Rivers area... So much commodity is moved along that inland corridor! I thought we had this argument before? All steel is not over seas. You now much domestic steel moves through the area I am in? Of course there is a lot or foreign primary steel being moved too. Just modern processes, streamlined systems. Palm Springs - Resort perfect weather?? 115 every day in the summer with very little natural water sources. PS is what it is today due to the vision of a few individuals in teh 40's and 50's You mention a few that Edmonton and Atlanta were transportation hubs. What did their geography have to do with it. But here's the kicker. The Tech giants settled in the Silcon Valley because of perfect weather and scenery? Because he has no idea what he's talking about. And where else are the tech companies gonna settle? Galesburg, Illinois? Being centrally located junctions have part to do with Edmonton & Atlanta, yesterday and today. Where would you rather take a vacation in Baraboo, WI in the dead of winter or jet off to Palm Springs for some vitamin D... ?? Of course, if you like indoor waterparks, Baraboo is quite the place. Now summer, not so bad. Invention of A/C helped the hot areas too. I am not saying places that have disadvantages can't take off... They do. BUT they are far and few between. Very seldom do places have to totally reninvent themselves from their original natural purpose. Edited September 5, 2013 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 (edited) Honestly, back to the original topic. Why shouldn't Detroit be blown up and @ least made a very much smaller city? What do you do with all huge buildings and infrastructure? What does a city like Detroit (and for that matter BFLO, who met a similar, earlier fate) bring to the table with regard to natural resources and favorable climate? What outweighs these disadvantages? Like many rust belt, past manufacturing cities, what puts them into the positive when it comes to location, climate, & natural resources? A lot of cities in this category can be done away with and made much smaller. What do they do with the huge expansion from the past? Edited September 5, 2013 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Honestly, back to the original topic. Why shouldn't Detroit be blown up and @ least made a very much small city? It doesn't need to be. Maybe you missed the news, but Obama rescued Detroit a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 It doesn't need to be. Maybe you missed the news, but Obama rescued Detroit a few years ago. I didn't miss it. I know, I know... That is easy pickings to get back @ Obama. The big three are still based in Detroit? Right. Honestly, they still could have been bailed out and Detroit still contracted. That would have been the thing to do. Get help and downsize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 (edited) It is a zero-sum/highly competitive nation and world... Some just can't compete... So fold. Or be "blown up." This is the root cause of the idiocy that now confronts us all. Obamacare, refusal to do anything about entitlement reform, all of it, boils down that that one liltte phrase: It's a zero-sum world. Utter nonsense. You know what is zero-sum EII? Tax accounting. Auditing. Yes, the same people who did your firm's taxes and audit last year, are going to be the same people who do it this year. There's only a tiny fraction of growth in that market, if and when small businesses turn into big ones. But, in comparison to all the big businesses that are already there? Tiny fraction. That is zero sum. Now, pretending that the entire global economy = the Tax/Audit maket? That is zero brains. We are talking to each other on a message board. That means one market: letters(can you imagine if we tried to do this with letters ) is going away, and being replaced by another: message boards. The destruction and creation that is markets, and markets will ALWAYS exist, even under totalitarian communism, will never stop. Thus the world economy, unless we are talking about mortitians, or, tax/audit people, is NEVER zero sum, and it NEVER will be. [This message was posted by...a friggin laptop, which is the next market to go extinct sooner or later, in favor of Ipad-like devices. But, since it's a zero sum world, that won't happen...right? ] Edited September 7, 2013 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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