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I find it to be hilarious that you're "bothered" when asked to back up statements which you choose to make. I'll never understand why the most ignorant among us always seem to be the loudest.

 

Wow! You actually made something of an argument without asking me to split the atom! Hurrah!

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Corrected for accuracy.

 

Like what? Not having worry about a pilot pulling G's so it can go faster and turn faster. Not losing a pilot. Being smaller and more stealthy. Less expensive to fly. Less expensive to maintain, to buy, and fuel. Can stay air born longer, no pilot fatigue and more. Take the pilot out and the plane is just more multi-purpose

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Like what? Not having worry about a pilot pulling G's so it can go faster and turn faster. Not losing a pilot. Being smaller and more stealthy. Less expensive to fly. Less expensive to maintain, to buy, and fuel. Can stay air born longer, no pilot fatigue and more. Take the pilot out and the plane is just more multi-purpose

 

You sound like a 6 year old. And it has pinwheels, and streamers, and glitter and it smells good too!

 

So a Drone can fly faster than an F-35? :lol:

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You sound like a 6 year old. And it has pinwheels, and streamers, and glitter and it smells good too!

 

So a Drone can fly faster than an F-35? :lol:

 

You don't think they can make a drone fly faster than a manned jet? :w00t:

 

Think

 

What next? Drones landing on Aircraft carriers?

 

Sci Fi fantasy!

 

Oh wait....

 

 

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/07/10/in-historic-first-navy-lands-unmanned-drone-on-aircraft-carrier/

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You do realize that if insurgents are capable of hacking or jamming our predator/reaper feed then I'm sure countries like china, Russia, etc are probably looking into that as well.

 

Drones are remotely piloted from a shipping container flight station anywhere in the world, the pilots commands are sent to the drone.

 

Do you really think its a good idea to pin our entire military doctrine on this? How about drones on a nuclear mission?

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You do realize that if insurgents are capable of hacking or jamming our predator/reaper feed then I'm sure countries like china, Russia, etc are probably looking into that as well.

 

Drones are remotely piloted from a shipping container flight station anywhere in the world, the pilots commands are sent to the drone.

 

Do you really think its a good idea to pin our entire military doctrine on this? How about drones on a nuclear mission?

I was going accuse him of reading Ender's Game a few too many times, but I realized who I was talking about.

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I find it to be hilarious that you're "bothered" when asked to back up statements which you choose to make. I'll never understand why the most ignorant among us always seem to be the loudest.

 

Because in addition to being the dumbest, they are also the ones that didn't get enough hugs as a child. gBills is the latest excellent example.

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Like what? Not having worry about a pilot pulling G's so it can go faster and turn faster. Not losing a pilot. Being smaller and more stealthy. Less expensive to fly. Less expensive to maintain, to buy, and fuel. Can stay air born longer, no pilot fatigue and more. Take the pilot out and the plane is just more multi-purpose

 

"Air born?" Seriously?

 

Take the pilot out and the plane is less flexible, too. Drones - even RPVs - will never be as reactive as a man-in-loop system. Planes will always have their place.

 

Maybe not the F-35, which was a ****-ass program from inception ("Hey, let's replace every tactical aircraft with a common airframe!" Yeah, sure...what do the F-16, A-10, AV-8B, Harrier GR.7, and F/A-18 have in common? NOTHING. So let's replace them all with a hideously expensive Swiss Army Knife.) But planes will always have their place.

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I don't have a dog (plane? drone?) in this fight, but I'm interested in the topic of how the military is currently using drones, and how that capability is likely to develop. For anyone more interested in reading about this than arguing about it, check out:

 

1. http://www.fas.org/i...ct/uas_2009.pdf (signed in 2009 by the Secretary of the Air Force and by the USAF Chief of Staff)

 

2. http://www.flightglo...70120000000taAj (about how the USAF "is trying to ascertain how best to formulate its future unmanned aircraft fleet so that it could operate inside contested airspace")

 

And no less than Admiral Mike Mullen, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs, took this position re the F-35 in 2009:

 

3. http://www.theglobea.../article581131/

 

Mike Mullen is chairman of the Pentagon's Joint Chiefs of Staff, the most senior military man in the world's sole remaining superpower. He sees a future where drones displace manned warplanes. Like all major military shifts - like the one from sail to steam - the transition will mean overlap.

"There are those that see JSF as the last manned fighter," Admiral Mullen has said. "I'm one that's inclined to believe that." He's also backing buying hundreds of F-35s to bridge the gap.

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I don't have a dog (plane? drone?) in this fight, but I'm interested in the topic of how the military is currently using drones, and how that capability is likely to develop. For anyone more interested in reading about this than arguing about it, check out:

 

1. http://www.fas.org/i...ct/uas_2009.pdf (signed in 2009 by the Secretary of the Air Force and by the USAF Chief of Staff)

 

2. http://www.flightglo...70120000000taAj (about how the USAF "is trying to ascertain how best to formulate its future unmanned aircraft fleet so that it could operate inside contested airspace")

 

And no less than Admiral Mike Mullen, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs, took this position re the F-35 in 2009:

 

3. http://www.theglobea.../article581131/

 

I think the biggest thing that drones have done is allow a President with a Nobel Peace Prize zap people from afar and go "who, what, where???"

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I don't have a dog (plane? drone?) in this fight, but I'm interested in the topic of how the military is currently using drones, and how that capability is likely to develop. For anyone more interested in reading about this than arguing about it, check out:

 

1. http://www.fas.org/i...ct/uas_2009.pdf (signed in 2009 by the Secretary of the Air Force and by the USAF Chief of Staff)

 

2. http://www.flightglo...70120000000taAj (about how the USAF "is trying to ascertain how best to formulate its future unmanned aircraft fleet so that it could operate inside contested airspace")

 

And no less than Admiral Mike Mullen, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs, took this position re the F-35 in 2009:

 

3. http://www.theglobea.../article581131/

 

Mullen, to put it bluntly, is dead wrong. EVERY transformation in military history has multiplied the effectiveness of the soldier, not replaced him. And every transformation in military history has done nothing more than alter the mass-time-depth equation.

 

Drones will be no different. Odds are, they'll end up a force multiplier much like cruise missiles.

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Top speed of the Predator is 100 MPH, top speed to the Reaper is 200 MPH.

 

Top speed of the F-35? 1199 MPH.

 

Seriously? You mean they can't develop fast drones? I thought you said you were smarter an 99% of people?

 

 

 

Take the pilot out and the plane is less flexible, too. Drones - even RPVs - will never be as reactive as a man-in-loop system. Planes will always have their place.

 

Maybe not the F-35, which was a ****-ass program from inception ("Hey, let's replace every tactical aircraft with a common airframe!" Yeah, sure...what do the F-16, A-10, AV-8B, Harrier GR.7, and F/A-18 have in common? NOTHING. So let's replace them all with a hideously expensive Swiss Army Knife.) But planes will always have their place.

 

Yes, F--35 is typical jack of all trades master of none piece of equipment. But how do you get drones are less flexible? I see them as way more flexible in many ways. Not following you there

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Seriously? You mean they can't develop fast drones? I thought you said you were smarter an 99% of people?

Sorry, but this swift shifting of the goal posts just isn't going to fly.

 

You wrote, in your OP, that:

C-Span did shows about this plane all last week and It looks like a great plane and does all sorts of neat stuff but what can it do that a drone or a series of special drones can't do better? Much like the battleship supporters of the 1930's or the cavalry promoters of that same decade, the manned fighter jet just isn't a necessary platform anymore, IMO.

 

You're saying that we can do away with fighter jets right now because they're already obsolete.

 

Pick an argument and defend it.

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