911 Revisited: How Has Your View Changed?

[Just Jack]

Now I'm a dumbass so I have no idea if the conclusion I had him come to was correct but the look on is face was priceless.

 

[troll bait]

How would you know? You're just a chef, not a structural engineer.

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I'm just surprised that people were surprised that someone would consider using planes as missles, when Tom Clancy wrote about it seven years before.

 

Throughout the book, President Durling faces another, less important political crisis: Vice-President Ed Kealty is forced to resign after being accused of drugging and raping a former member of his staff. With the crisis over, President Durling nominates Ryan as vice-president for his services during the crisis. However, an embittered Japan Air Lines pilot driven mad by the deaths of his son and brother during the conflict flies his Boeing 747 directly into the U.S. Capitol during a special joint session of Congress. The president, as well as nearly the entire Congress, the Supreme Court, and many other members of the Federal Government are killed in the attack. Ryan, who had been confirmed as vice-president moments before, is exiting the Capitol Building through a tunnel and narrowly escapes the explosion. He first realizes that he is suddenly the new President of the United States when a Secret Service agent addresses him as "Mr President."

[KD in CA]

Just like with JFK, if you held a gun to my head and made me tell you what I think, I'd say it was the patsy.

Go visit Deleay Plaza and I suspect you'll come away with a different view. You can't appreciate how compact that area is until you see it yourself. Oswald could have spit on Kennedy from that window; it certainly wasn't very difficult to shoot him.

[Chef Jim]

[troll bait]

How would you know? You're just a chef, not a structural engineer.

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Hence the reason I called myself a dumbass. I should have asked what the conspriacy person did for a living.

[B-Man]

 

How would you know? You're just a chef, not a structural engineer.

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[Chef Jim]

 

Sorry I was too slow to come up with thie myself.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie-Antoine_Car%C3%AAme

 

Carême gained fame in Paris for his pièces montées, elaborate constructions used as centerpieces, which Bailly displayed in the pâtisserie window. He made these confections, which were sometimes several feet high, entirely out of foodstuffs such as sugar, marzipan, and pastry. He modeled them on temples, pyramids, and ancient ruins, taking ideas from architectural history books that he studied at the nearby Bibliothèque Nationale, thanks to the enlightened attitude of his first employer Bailly.^[4] He is credited with the inventions of gros nougats^[5] and grosses meringues, croquantes, made of almonds and honey, and solilemmes.^[6]

 

 

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[Just Jack]

 

Now make one 100 stories tall.

[ajzepp]

I didn't actually see either plane, but I did hear both of them roaring practically overhead (especially the first one), and as I was thinking to myself "what the hell is that jet doing buzzing the skyline?" I heard the explosion from the crash and felt the shockwave. My entire office leap out of their chairs at that moment and ran to the window in the conference room facing the towers before collectively saying "holy sh--!" Our view was right at the north face of the north tower (about one block to the side and ~70 stories down).

 

A few minutes later people started jumping; which is when I returned to my office to shoot out a couple quick emails -- and when I heard the second plane roaring in and knew exactly what was going to happen a split second later.

 

 

If by 'conspiracy' you mean nonsense like "bombs in the WTC" or "blacked out window" or "Bush Administration blah, blah, blah/no government people/Jews/whoever were at work that day" or "it was a missle", than yeah, I'm pretty "steadfast" in my belief that morons creating conspiracy videos on the internet are still scared, insecure nutjobs.

 

I wasn't sure if this would be a good idea, but screw it...here is one piece of "evidence" that I thought was interesting, and I really havent' seen anything that clearly debunks it yet.

 

The particular aspect of this video I'm interested in starts at the 4:30 mark. If you wear headphones while watching it, it helps.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_402&feature=iv&src_vid=19lofrMsbZA&v=dr4BJ89Df5Q

 

 

 

Oh, and with regard to your experience on 911....holy SH*T, man...I could NOT imagine having been right there when it went down...

Edited August 26, 2013 by ajzepp

[Chef Jim]

I wasn't sure if this would be a good idea, but screw it...here is one piece of "evidence" that I thought was interesting, and I really havent' seen anything that clearly debunks it yet.

 

The particular aspect of this video I'm interested in starts at the 4:30 mark. If you wear headphones while watching it, it helps.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_402&feature=iv&src_vid=19lofrMsbZA&v=dr4BJ89Df5Q

 

 

 

Oh, and with regard to your experience on 911....holy SH*T, man...I could NOT imagine having been right there when it went down...

 

Why would all that advanced technology be need for the simplest of missions. Flying planes into buildings doesn't require that. And so they're saying that the planes were equiped with lazer guided technology? If so when did they do equip the plans with that? Was the before, during or after they wired up the Twin Towers with explosives.

 

I'll say it again man. Step away from the Tube.

[DC Tom]

I wasn't sure if this would be a good idea, but screw it...here is one piece of "evidence" that I thought was interesting, and I really havent' seen anything that clearly debunks it yet.

 

The particular aspect of this video I'm interested in starts at the 4:30 mark. If you wear headphones while watching it, it helps.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_402&feature=iv&src_vid=19lofrMsbZA&v=dr4BJ89Df5Q

 

It hasn't been debunked because it's not evidence of any sort. It's a hypothesis based on a few frames from one camera. Which makes it a seriously weak-ass hypothesis.

[KD in CA]

Not to mention, why would a government capable off pulling off such an extraordinary attack in secret need laser sightings and/or drone escorts to fly a plane into a building?

 

And why do these videos always need to have the groovy music jamming? Isn't the evidence compelling enough without the soundtrack?

[ICanSleepWhenI'mDead]

Immediately after the 9/11 attacks I was a little nervous about flying (my work sometimes required it), but figured the odds of my particular flight being hijacked when everyone was focused on preventing that type of repeat attack were mighty slim.

 

When they quickly determined that the terrorist pilots had minimal flight training, I felt very safe taking night-time flights, especially for short hops. If you are a terrorist with minimal training, you're going to want to make a daytime attack in good weather so that you can hit your intended target, and with as big a fuel load as possible.

 

Other than that, nothing changed for me.

[boyst]

 

 

[troll bait]

How would you know? You're just a chef, not a structural engineer.

[/troll bait]

 

 

 

I'm just surprised that people were surprised that someone would consider using planes as missles, when Tom Clancy wrote about it seven years before.

Read that book and wondered wtf hasn't this happened yet...then remembered it did. I looked at the copyright and was again...wtf.

 

[drinkTHEkoolaid]

 

Read that book and wondered wtf hasn't this happened yet...then remembered it did. I looked at the copyright and was again...wtf.

 

Clancy has some interesting topics and books. One that seemed much more challenging but still plausible and terrifying would be a plot similar to The Sum Of All Fears.

Edited August 27, 2013 by drinkTHEkoolaid

[ajzepp]

It hasn't been debunked because it's not evidence of any sort. It's a hypothesis based on a few frames from one camera. Which makes it a seriously weak-ass hypothesis.

 

Any idea what the hell that thing is that goes zipping by several seconds after the impact?

 

Why would all that advanced technology be need for the simplest of missions. Flying planes into buildings doesn't require that. And so they're saying that the planes were equiped with lazer guided technology? If so when did they do equip the plans with that? Was the before, during or after they wired up the Twin Towers with explosives.

 

I'll say it again man. Step away from the Tube.

 

I think the theory is that nobody was actually on the planes...or at least not the second one. If it was piloted, as assumed, is it really easy to fly it into the tower? I'm not disputing what you said, I just have no idea about it.

 

And c'mon man, you don't at least find it interesting to discuss this stuff? I guess I'm just odd, cause I don't feel the need to come to any sort of conclusion other than it was terrorists who did it, but I just find all the conspiracy stuff very interesting.

 

Immediately after the 9/11 attacks I was a little nervous about flying (my work sometimes required it), but figured the odds of my particular flight being hijacked when everyone was focused on preventing that type of repeat attack were mighty slim.

 

When they quickly determined that the terrorist pilots had minimal flight training, I felt very safe taking night-time flights, especially for short hops. If you are a terrorist with minimal training, you're going to want to make a daytime attack in good weather so that you can hit your intended target, and with as big a fuel load as possible.

 

Other than that, nothing changed for me.

 

That makes sense.

 

I can't really fly due to sinus issues anyway, but I think I'd actually be very dangerous to have on a plane these days. God forbid I saw anyone acting like they were going to jump up and start causing sh*t, I would fly out of my seat and beat the every loving hell out of them. I already hate the idea of being 30,000 feet in the air with someone else in control...last thing I need is someone stressing me out by trying to take over the plane. I think I'd be at risk for being a bit hasty in that situation...probably better I drive lol

 

Not to mention, why would a government capable off pulling off such an extraordinary attack in secret need laser sightings and/or drone escorts to fly a plane into a building?

 

And why do these videos always need to have the groovy music jamming? Isn't the evidence compelling enough without the soundtrack?

 

lol@groovy music

[Chef Jim]

 

 

Any idea what the hell that thing is that goes zipping by several seconds after the impact?

 

 

 

I think the theory is that nobody was actually on the planes...or at least not the second one. If it was piloted, as assumed, is it really easy to fly it into the tower? I'm not disputing what you said, I just have no idea about it.

 

Here's what I want you to do. Contact the family, friends, loved ones of the people who got up that Tuesday morning headed to the airport but never returned. Tell them one or more of those plans were emply and see their reactions. Report back to us.

 

Immediately after the 9/11 attacks I was a little nervous about flying (my work sometimes required it), but figured the odds of my particular flight being hijacked when everyone was focused on preventing that type of repeat attack were mighty slim.

 

When they quickly determined that the terrorist pilots had minimal flight training, I felt very safe taking night-time flights, especially for short hops. If you are a terrorist with minimal training, you're going to want to make a daytime attack in good weather so that you can hit your intended target, and with as big a fuel load as possible.

 

Other than that, nothing changed for me.

 

My solution was easier. I just drank a hell of a lot more.

[GG]

My solution was easier. I just drank a hell of a lot more.

 

I still am

[DC Tom]

Any idea what the hell that thing is that goes zipping by several seconds after the impact?

 

Two birds.

 

Show me a second camera angle at the same time (God knows there were plenty of the second plane) with the same object on it, then maybe we can start discussing it.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Wow, that must have been on heck of a car ride back! Were you a bit uneasy being on the road knowing that we were being attacked by terrorists?

 

Actually, no... Not one bit. It never crossed my mind and still wouldn't. My daughter wasn't born yet. My son was 3 and my wife was 6 months pregnant w/my said daughter on that trip... I wasn't worried one smidge... Afterall, I work in South Chicago daily, @ all hours of the day and night. There are a lot worse things that can usually put me and my family in jeopardy. The last thing on my mind was worrying about a terrorist attack while zooming west on I-80/90 back towards Illinois.

 

So no. My views have never changed.

 

;-P ;-P

 

 

 

My solution was easier. I just drank a hell of a lot more.

 

Sorry to go all Carrie Nation on you... But what a stupid azz reason for alcohol consumption and worse, and hopefully not, alcoholism...

 

Don't worry... I don't have an axe, you can still drink yourself to oblivion over the terrorist scumbags if that what floats your boat. Or, @ least find it as a stupid-azz excuse.

Edited August 27, 2013 by ExiledInIllinois

[ajzepp]

Here's what I want you to do. Contact the family, friends, loved ones of the people who got up that Tuesday morning headed to the airport but never returned. Tell them one or more of those plans were emply and see their reactions. Report back to us.

 

 

You know, if you weren't interested in actually discussing it, you could have just not bothered...that was a pretty dickish thing to say.

[Chef Jim]

 

 

You know, if you weren't interested in actually discussing it, you could have just not bothered...that was a pretty dickish thing to say.

 

Discuss what? That you've stumbled across a bunch of crackpot YouTube videos and had the audacity to speculate that one or more of those planes were empty? And that people that had tickets on those planes just disappeared? I never understood how people could even think that was a remote possibility. Unless the people who had tickets and kissed their families goodbye that morning are part of the conspiracy and are yucking it up somewhere on an island. if that makes me a dick then so be it.