ganesh Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 The news that Byrd showed up now simply not to lose game checks kinda pisses me off. I know he has to look out for himself. I get that. But do you not care about the team at all? If it didnt punish the Bills chances of winning, I would let him sit the year. Just playing nickel or spot duty. That'll drastically decrease his chances for a huge contract. There is a business side to all this. You have to do what is the right thing and Byrd did just that. Byrd is a team player and will be ready for week 1 against the Pats!
Clutchwarfare Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) Just MHO. Did y'all read it or brush it off due to the writer? Go Bills! That's sarcasm, right? You're new here, aren't you? Edited August 23, 2013 by Clutchwarfare
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 So we can count you among those that think Byrd should've signed any offer that was worth even minimally more guaranteed? At best, this seems a far stretch from what I wrote. At worst, it's a straw man. Be happy to discuss if you start from something I actually wrote, or a reasonable interpretation thereof. Season-ending injuries are reasonably common, and they do decrease the player's leverage in negotiating a long term contract. Just MHO. Did y'all read it or brush it off due to the writer? Go Bills! I read it, and thought it was a very peculiar article to write at this time. Last winter, prior to free agency, it would have been a propos. I saw no new insights, and much of his argument depended upon an unsupported assumption about what Parker "likely wanted" for his client, which may be entirely out of sync with what really went down I take it it was not sarcasm, then. My apologies, you're of course entitled to your opinion!
Fixxxer Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 Just MHO. Did y'all read it or brush it off due to the writer? Go Bills! From the link: The record shows, if you franchise a guy, he generally winds up playing somewhere else. Is this really accurate? It doesn't sound right.
NoSaint Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) At best, this seems a far stretch from what I wrote. At worst, it's a straw man. Be happy to discuss if you start from something I actually wrote, or a reasonable interpretation thereof. Season-ending injuries are reasonably common, and they do decrease the player's leverage in negotiating a long term contract. I read it, and thought it was a very peculiar article to write at this time. Last winter, prior to free agency, it would have been a propos. I saw no new insights, and much of his argument depended upon an unsupported assumption about what Parker "likely wanted" for his client, which may be entirely out of sync with what really went down I take it it was not sarcasm, then. My apologies, you're of course entitled to your opinion! Right, but if the gap is closer to the 2m per year, how many injuries would drop an offer say 25%? And wouldn't showing up last year be just as, or really more risky? Are about 10 other agents of top tier players on the tag likewise in the wrong? We don't know what the bills offered but we know Parker screwed it up? Yea I took the comments to the extreme but what's the least Parker should've told Byrd to take in your book? Edited August 23, 2013 by NoSaint
The Helmet of Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) really disgusted with this "news organization" and their treatment here. Such pity for Byrd among the writers. Graham actually takes the Bills to task for the roster exemption, suggesting the Bills have designs about witholding game checks -- which they aren't even allowed to do, since he reported in time. It's a really strange way to approach this story, and I have lost respect for him for presenting it that way. Really absurd. While I do not blame Byrd for waiting to sign his tender (I would have done the same thing if i were in his position) -- none of the writers seemed to point out that Byrd had a chance for guarnteed money, that would have paid him among the top at his position in the league -- I'm sure the Bills were offering at least top 10 money, if not top 5. But that wasn't enough for him. He chose NOT to sign for what -- 18 million guaranteed? Instead, he wants to be the top paid in the league. If he happens to get injured, he has himself to blame for leaving all lot of guaranteed money on the table. It need not be pointed out that this is a business. Byrd deserves everything he can get, and not a penny more, but if his feelings are hurt, then he's being immature. The CBA is the CBA and that's the way the world works. I work hard in my life and wish I had more money too. I'm not at risk for injury life like he is, but that's the price you pay for becoming a millionaire. Byrd there are no guarantees in my life, or in yours. Good for you that you're in a fortunate enough position to turn down a contract for 15-18 million guaranteed. But it's amazing that this can gain the sympathy of sports writers like that hack Sullivan... of course, let's not forget that this all comes from a tweet by ian rappaport. i don't know who he is. However, I also vividly remembering him reporting that the Bills front office was scared the Jets were going to take Nassib in the first round, and were considering trading up. anyone remember that brilliant piece of journalism. lesson: not everything being reported is true. Edited August 23, 2013 by MarkKelso'sHelmet
boyst Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 honest question... Would it do any good to do a little bit of breakdown on how SS and FS differ? If so, in this post, or should I create a thread? Quick summary of it: The SS is probably twice the factor of a FS. The SS protects everything under the umbrella, nothing is to pass through his level - between the hashes extending from the OT's in front of the 10 yards he plays. The FS covers anything beyond 15 yards and in most defenses serves as a safety plug - not letting anyone beat him deep. Byrd is more then a safety valve - as he is allowed to ball hawk. (perhaps I will delve in to Whitner and Wilson - the body guard allowing Byrd to free range the backfield at their own suffering - which is why Whitner "sucked" and Wilson was not that good in his last few years...at least the common perception...) What say ye all?
Clutchwarfare Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 honest question... Would it do any good to do a little bit of breakdown on how SS and FS differ? If so, in this post, or should I create a thread? Quick summary of it: The SS is probably twice the factor of a FS. The SS protects everything under the umbrella, nothing is to pass through his level - between the hashes extending from the OT's in front of the 10 yards he plays. The FS covers anything beyond 15 yards and in most defenses serves as a safety plug - not letting anyone beat him deep. Byrd is more then a safety valve - as he is allowed to ball hawk. (perhaps I will delve in to Whitner and Wilson - the body guard allowing Byrd to free range the backfield at their own suffering - which is why Whitner "sucked" and Wilson was not that good in his last few years...at least the common perception...) What say ye all? I would def check out a thread like this if you created it.
BillsWatch Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 I'm pretty sure that I have heard Pettine himself, as well as the safeties, say that the two positions are mostly interchangeable, AND, that one would line up closer to the line (the SS) and one would more often play deeper (the FS). It's probably a semantic argument, IMO. That the calls, and duties, and understanding of them were very similar, and that on X number of plays it would be the FS's responsibility to do Z and on Y number of plays it would be the SS's responsibility. That sounds a little contradictory but I don't think it is. Based up Pettine's principles they need to be interchangeable so a player can do multiple things from same set of personnel. Sometimes the strong safety drops back and sometimes the strong safety moves forward and free safety does opposite.
Clutchwarfare Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) I read it, and thought it was a very peculiar article to write at this time. Last winter, prior to free agency, it would have been a propos. I saw no new insights, and much of his argument depended upon an unsupported assumption about what Parker "likely wanted" for his client, which may be entirely out of sync with what really went down I take it it was not sarcasm, then. My apologies, you're of course entitled to your opinion! The author's opinion of getting the draft right by picking a pro bowl guy but then letting him slip away because they did not want to give him the long term contract hit home for me. I think committing to a guy like that is good for the team, the fans and the league in general. Draft them, watch them grow and succeed, pay to keep them at "home". I am going to hate to see him in other colors next year. Edited August 23, 2013 by Clutchwarfare
boyst Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) I would def check out a thread like this if you created it. You're new here, I see. I will see if anyone else has interest before either posting a new thread or adding here. Search my content - I do a lot of in depth defensive breakdowns. I'll search for a bunch, edit this and add links... http://tinyurl.com/leacz6n That is a link to a search of all my posts using the word Defense http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/160098-aint-heard-nothin-about-bryan-scott/page__view__findpost__p__2864876 About Byran Scott http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/160026-bunch-formation/page__view__findpost__p__2862116 the use of a bunch formation on offense and defending it http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/159763-the-free-safety/page__view__findpost__p__2853483 The Free Safety - this is a great post if you're looking for info how the game has evolved. It'll take you an hour to read it http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/157987-our-defensive-front-pick-from-the-grab-bag/page__view__findpost__p__2799481 A defensive scheme I created, more or less.. http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/157223-a-question-on-certain-positions/page__view__findpost__p__2777144 Linebackers stuff http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/157184-defensive-formations-for-dummies/page__view__findpost__p__2775560 stuff we did in 2012 on D and the psycho D http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/153873-thoughts-on-defense-who-is-to-blame/page__view__findpost__p__2666420 What went wrong in 2012 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/156887-are-we-set-at-lb-possible-solution/page__view__findpost__p__2766883 Blitzing stuff http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/156771-the-hybrid-defense/page__view__findpost__p__2762269 The hybrid D http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/156516-great-article-by-greg-cosell-on-defensive-alignments/page__view__findpost__p__2754180 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/156516-great-article-by-greg-cosell-on-defensive-alignments/page__view__findpost__p__2754204 defensive alignments http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/156011-aaron-williams-on-his-way-to-buffalo/page__view__findpost__p__2737562 turning your hips to cover http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/155458-base-nickel-defense/page__view__findpost__p__2720422 a nickel D scheme http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/151890-merriman-not-in-his-natural-position-olb-why/page__view__findpost__p__2613687 The 3-3 defense... I stopped at page 2 of the archives There is a bunch of stuff on on the old board. worth looking at .... http://tinyurl.com/khbrejs Edited August 23, 2013 by jboyst62
BillsWatch Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 Furthermore, this also fits into the "everyone is tradeable" argument. Some fans and writers think there are "untouchables" on every team, and others think that there is no such thing, and that if the right offer is made (however unlikely) that no one is untouchable. Tom Brady is untouchable. If the Packers offered Aaron Rogers and Clay Matthews, he's not. This is incorrect. Some players have "no trade" or restricted trade clauses in contracts.
PromoTheRobot Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 I feel like Groundhog Day sometimes. Every time there is a player to sign they become our best player. PTR
NoSaint Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 This is incorrect. Some players have "no trade" or restricted trade clauses in contracts. That's pretty rare in the nfl for one, and relevant to this: doesn't mean they are 100% untradeable. It also doesn't mean they wouldn't he open to a trade in the right situation.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 This is incorrect. Some players have "no trade" or restricted trade clauses in contracts. Of course. But that is not what I was referring to. Not to mention that even if they have a no trade clause they can waive it. So it is correct.
NoSaint Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 I feel like Groundhog Day sometimes. Every time there is a player to sign they become our best player. PTR And most hated.
BillsWatch Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 pretty sure Parker would need the Bills permission to call around, as that would be tampering. Incorrect. Bills tagged him such that Parker could seek contracts and if Bills did not match the signing team needed to give Bills 2 picks. Bills did not think enough of Byrd to tag him with an exclusive rights contract. This is primary reason for no trade - teams dislike giving away picks except for elite players and dislike negotiating for other teams. I also think Parker's reputation hurts for teams do not want to deal with holdouts and other tactics when it is time to renew the contracts.
boyst Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 I'll search for a bunch, edit this and add links... http://tinyurl.com/l...m/leacz6n That is a link to a search of all my posts using the word Defense http://forums.twobil...ost__p__2864876 About Byran Scott http://forums.twobil...ost__p__2862116 the use of a bunch formation on offense and defending it http://forums.twobil...ost__p__2853483 The Free Safety - this is a great post if you're looking for info how the game has evolved. It'll take you an hour to read it http://forums.twobil...ost__p__2799481 A defensive scheme I created, more or less.. http://forums.twobil...ost__p__2777144 Linebackers stuff http://forums.twobil...ost__p__2775560 stuff we did in 2012 on D and the psycho D http://forums.twobil...ost__p__2666420 What went wrong in 2012 http://forums.twobil...ost__p__2766883 Blitzing stuff http://forums.twobil...ost__p__2762269 The hybrid D http://forums.twobil...ost__p__2754180 http://forums.twobil...ost__p__2754204 defensive alignments http://forums.twobil...ost__p__2737562 turning your hips to cover http://forums.twobil...ost__p__2720422 a nickel D scheme http://forums.twobil...ost__p__2613687 The 3-3 defense... I stopped at page 2 of the archives There is a bunch of stuff on on the old board. worth looking at .... http://tinyurl.com/khbrejs
Matt in KC Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) You're new here, I see. I will see if anyone else has interest before either posting a new thread or adding here. Search my content - I do a lot of in depth defensive breakdowns. ... i'd like to hear more from you and others here regarrding how safeties and schemes around the league differ. Don't go there in this mostrosity that is the Byrd signing -no- wanting a trade -no- whatever echo chamber.... And, as I'm posting this, I see you've posted a giant pile of links. **backs away slowly** Edited August 23, 2013 by Matt in KC
l< j Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 honest question... Would it do any good to do a little bit of breakdown on how SS and FS differ? What say ye all? Please do
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