thefootballexpert Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Lets see if he passes his conditioning test. It doesn't matter whether he passes his conditioning test or not. He's signed, he gets his money either way. The Bills have no choice but to get him in shape if he isn't already in shape. What other choice do they have, he has his money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 What did Schefter mean when he predicted things would "get worse"? Byrd really has no choice but to play well this season. Oh, and play as hard and as well as he possibly can. Or do these guys think that NFL teams lust after players who intentionally tank on their teams for personal gain and can't wait to pay them top dollar? I like Tim Graham a lot. I really think that his article was way out of line with conjecture though, even if he is basically writing a blog where he is expected to give his opinion and not necessarily straight reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 This will not end well. If these reports are correct, seems like the relationship is broken. I am sure a lot of teams like Byrd, and some may be willing to pay him what he is looking for, but few of these teams also would want to give up a high draft choice to get him. Really can't lose Levitre and Byrd, two of the best players we have drafted in the last five years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 This will not end well. If these reports are correct, seems like the relationship is broken. I am sure a lot of teams like Byrd, and some may be willing to pay him what he is looking for, but few of these teams also would want to give up a high draft choice to get him. Really can't lose Levitre and Byrd, two of the best players we have drafted in the last five years. That's the thing. Are they correct? Is this Parker feeding reporters to get fans angry and put pressure on the Bills? What are the Bills supposed to do? Trade Byrd for a 3rd round pick? No. They hold their ground. They can't negotiate a new deal with Byrd anyway so don't let it become a distraction. Sully and Graham will do their best to lob grenades at the team but at this point you do nothing unless you actually get a crazy offer like 2 #1's. If Byrd wants to pout I don't think Marrone will put up with it. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Does a team that is trying to quietly get rid of a player welcome him back on social media and promote fan giveaways of a Jairus Byrd autographed jersey? If Byrd wants to pout I don't think Marrone will put up with it. And until Byrd actually does pout I wish that people would stop forwarding this narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 This will not end well. If these reports are correct, seems like the relationship is broken. Relax. It's not personal, it's just bidness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutchwarfare Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl-columns/bills-take-wrong-tack-with-byrd-20130821 This is a great article about the Byrd situation. Really good insight by Jerry Sullivan: ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Oh, and play as hard and as well as he possibly can. Or do these guys think that NFL teams lust after players who intentionally tank on their teams for personal gain and can't wait to pay them top dollar? I like Tim Graham a lot. I really think that his article was way out of line with conjecture though, even if he is basically writing a blog where he is expected to give his opinion and not necessarily straight reporting. right, if you read his Twitter feed, he stirred up a hornet's nest by posing a what-if, thinking out loud scenario, so I'm guessing he continues the controversial approach to keep the page views going up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I don't think any of us know enough to figure out who to blame for the situation with Byrd. It may well be about businesss if Byrd wants to be the highest paid safety in the NFL. If this is the case, not sure I understand why there would be bad blood and I certainly would not blame the Bills for a broken relationship. The real question to me is whether Byrd wants to be here. Would he be willing to take less from a playoff caliber team? Is he asking to be highest paid (if true) only because it is the Bills? The Bills did pick two safteties in the last draft. They must have had some inkling as to where this was going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl-columns/bills-take-wrong-tack-with-byrd-20130821 This is a great article about the Byrd situation. Really good insight by Jerry Sullivan: ^ You're new here, aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Just heard on John Murphy's show a replay of Freddy J saying he telephoned Byrd yesterday after he heard of the news of the tender signing. Freddy said Byrd is excited to be back in the fold and the players are happy to have him back with the team too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 There are people here on Earth There are people with their heads six foot under the sand. There are people on the freaking moon. This site is all over the place. We have things we know, things we do not know and things that are speculation. Lets review them. 1) Jarius Byrd is a Buffalo Bill for 2013. 2) Jarius Byrd is, at the least a top three S in the league. 3) He is probably the best FS in the league. 4) He has credentials to show this. 5) He has an agent named Eugene Parker who also served Jason Peters. 6) Byrd wants to be paid as much money as possible. Speculation: Anything else. Things we do not know: Everything else. In summary, I have to believe Parker has a very good gauge on the value of his guy. The Bills, do, too. The fact that they called teams means nothing. There is no team that would be willing to trade for Jairus Byrd as is. Byrd is not under contract and there is no way that Trade Team X would have a way to know what Byrd is asking for. That is to say, the Bills could allow Byrd and his agent to talk to other teams, which would be a mistake. Parker/Byrd could talk to Trade Team and find out that Team is willing to pay $9.5mm/yr for 7 years. That's great for Parker/Byrd...but that team still has to offer Buffalo what it wants for compensation. The best catch that holds Parker/Byrd by the balls - the higher that number the more value the player..the better and higher trade package. So, if Byrd were to be traded and paid as the best safety in the NFL, at his age and with his consistency and durability it is easy to determine Byrd is worth at least 1 first rounder. IMO, Byrd as the highest paid S in the league would be worth a 1st, 3rd, 6th and 3rd in a future draft. Now, you say that is too much because FS are not worth that much? Ok, fair enough. So, that means in fact Byrd is off in his value and something the Bills know. Deep down Parker/Byrd know the value of a FS. Parker/Byrd have no ground to stand on right now. The talk on ESPN is nothing. If Byrd comes in and craps the bed and shows poor behavior that just makes him that much more unappealing for another team. By all accounts, that is not the man that Jairus Byrd is. For those that still think this is like Jason Peters - thats very different. The perceived payouts in the leaue put LT at a top 5 payout position, I would bet. I have to think FS only better then kickers, punters, snappers, guards, and returners. Maybe someone can look this up. No one in this league is going to jump to pay Byrd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 http://www.buffalone...h-byrd-20130821 This is a great article about the Byrd situation. Really good insight by Jerry Sullivan: ^ That's sarcasm, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Just heard on John Murphy's show a replay of Freddy J saying he telephoned Byrd yesterday after he heard of the news of the tender signing. Freddy said Byrd is excited to be back in the fold and the players are happy to have him back with the team too. Thank you for some sanity returned. albeit temporarily i would guess : ) fellow with lavender as an avatar , is another perception of reality. That rings true enough. And has sanity attached to it . Very well put J. Take note rookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) We have things we know, things we do not know and things that are speculation. Lets review them. 1) Jarius Byrd is a Buffalo Bill for 2013. 2) Jarius Byrd is, at the least a top three S in the league. 3) He is probably the best FS in the league. 4) He has credentials to show this. 5) He has an agent named Eugene Parker who also served Jason Peters. 6) Byrd wants to be paid as much money as possible. Speculation: Anything else. Things we do not know: Everything else. Parker/Byrd have no ground to stand on right now. The talk on ESPN is nothing. If Byrd comes in and craps the bed and shows poor behavior that just makes him that much more unappealing for another team. By all accounts, that is not the man that Jairus Byrd is. No one can debate that Byrd is a very fine player at his position, top-10, probably top-5 FS. Best FS in the league (your point 3)? Top 3 safety in the league (your point 2)? Those aren't things we know, they're subjective. And therein lies the reasonable gap between what the agent wants, and what the team will offer, which must be bridged by negotiation. Not part of your post, but in the Shoutbox I think I saw you said Parker does a fine job doing his job. I'm curious about your reasoning? It's obviously not to a player's advantage to play on a 1 yr contract should he be injured. I agree with you that Parker/Byrd have no ground to stand on right now. So how does letting it get to the point constitute a fine job for his player? Edited August 22, 2013 by Hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 No one can debate that Byrd is a very fine player at his position, top-10, probably top-5 FS. Best FS in the league (your point 3)? Top 3 safety in the league (your point 2)? Those aren't things we know, they're subjective. And therein lies the reasonable gap between what the agent wants, and what the team will offer, which must be bridged by negotiation. Not part of your post, but in the Shoutbox I think I saw you said Parker does a fine job doing his job. I'm curious about your reasoning? It's obviously not to a player's advantage to play on a 1 yr contract should he be injured. I agree with you that Parker/Byrd have no ground to stand on right now. So how does letting it get to the point constitute a fine job for his player? young guy with little damage in a FS position... I think the injury risk is minimal. Parker is relentless and demands to use any tool possible to get $$. I look at our defense and the division we play in. The schedule we have player and the exposure Byrd has had to top QB's ...only Reed may be a better FS. And that was years ago. The tie between the SF kid who went to TB isaybe there with him. People are getting SS and FS mixsd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 No one can debate that Byrd is a very fine player at his position, top-10, probably top-5 FS. Best FS in the league (your point 3)? Top 3 safety in the league (your point 2)? Those aren't things we know, they're subjective. And therein lies the reasonable gap between what the agent wants, and what the team will offer, which must be bridged by negotiation. Not part of your post, but in the Shoutbox I think I saw you said Parker does a fine job doing his job. I'm curious about your reasoning? It's obviously not to a player's advantage to play on a 1 yr contract should he be injured. I agree with you that Parker/Byrd have no ground to stand on right now. So how does letting it get to the point constitute a fine job for his player? So we can count you among those that think Byrd should've signed any offer that was worth even minimally more guaranteed? Or is there a balance to be had and Parker/Byrd think the risk is worth the reward? Very few injuries will DRASTICALLY decrease his earning potential. That he took a risk doesn't mean he's in a weaker position long term, simply a more vulnerable one currently. That's not a loss or negligence. Many players are under the tag right now. Great players with very responsible agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Thank you for some sanity returned. albeit temporarily i would guess : ) fellow with lavender as an avatar , is another perception of reality. That rings true enough. And has sanity attached to it . Very well put J. Take note rookies. It's very cool that Byrd will fly down to DC with the team, too. A lot of what happens with Byrd is gonna be the selling job Marrone and Pettine do on him. If he plays lights out in this defense, he just may come off his stance to take less than highest paid to stay in Buffalo. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 http://www.buffalone...h-byrd-20130821 This is a great article about the Byrd situation. Really good insight by Jerry Sullivan: ^ That is actually being discussed in this thread: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/160553-jerry-sullivan-jarius-byrd/ You should check it out. There have been some pretty good comments & insights.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 young guy with little damage in a FS position... I think the injury risk is minimal. Parker is relentless and demands to use any tool possible to get $$. I look at our defense and the division we play in. The schedule we have player and the exposure Byrd has had to top QB's ...only Reed may be a better FS. And that was years ago. The tie between the SF kid who went to TB isaybe there with him. People are getting SS and FS mixsd. You know who's getting SS and FS mixed? Parker, that's who. No way in hell he makes the distinction when talking numbers. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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