thebandit27 Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Who says theres ill will? Do you have electricity, a radio, a tv, internet? Really? I am sure the Bills do want him ready quickly, but he is gonna take his time. I don't believe I said he wanted to screw the team "no matter what." Those are you words, or someone else's besides mine. http://www.nfl.com/n...y-buffalo-bills Semantics I suppose, as you said Byrd would screw the Bills "anyway he can"... Gonna just get uglier from here. The bridges are burned and they will either have to let him walk next year or tag him again and go through this again. Word is there is alot of ill will between the sides, probably mostly from Byrd's side, but those situations usually never get resolved. They say he is going to make sure he takes him time getting ready for the field, so he is going to try to screw the team anyway he can. He is a good player, but they would be better off without him if he turns into a cancer. As far as the other questions, like I said, I don't disagree that the BIlls are wanting to get him ready quickly, it is Byrd himself that is going to take his time. As far as the others, without spending the afternoon researching, I am not sure Vick ever played under the tag, he played under a one year deal he signed, which is way different. Also, now that Welker left New England, he hasn't had many kind words to say about Belicheat either. I don't see how it benefits him to take his time; what good can come of it? The point isn't whether Welker or the others were happy about the tag, but rather that they signed long-term deals after being tagged. There's no reason Byrd can't enjoy a solid season in Buffalo and then re-sign if he likes his situation. A lot can happen in a year.
K-9 Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 So you know Byrd better then the reporters and insiders do that hang around the team? I hope there are no problems, but Byrd has it in his mind he wants to be the highest paid safety, and the Bills don't think he should be. Only time will tell, but don't be surprised. I don't believe it is the fans that are putting this out because they are angry, it is media and insiders. There are several people reporting this, even from sites like NFL.com. http://www.nfl.com/n...y-buffalo-bills I don't know Byrd at all. But I don't put any stock in unsubstantiated tweets by the likes of Graham or Ed Werder, either. If there is a credible news source that is reporting this and supporting it with quotes from both sides then I'll choose to believe it's true. That's not a slam on you at all. Just that some in the media purposely like to fan the flames. GO BILLS!!!
n3wyork13 Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) On NFL Insiders just now Mort said that the Bills have called around to other teams in the league, but their stance on Byrd was the same as the bills. Saying that they like byrd but are not going to overpay for him or to get him. Schefter then said to keep and eye on this situation because something tells him its just the beginning..... Not sounding good at all. Some other guy on the panel said that the Bills would like to keep byrd but keep in mind that they drafted jonahton meeks and duke williams, also they moved Aaron Williams to safety. So the Bills are not in a desperate situation at that postion. Edited August 22, 2013 by n3wyork13
NoSaint Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) I don't believe it is the fans that are putting this out because they are angry, it is media and insiders. There are several people reporting this, even from sites like NFL.com. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000232635/article/jairus-byrd-open-to-being-traded-by-buffalo-bills i understand, and will again ask "what player is not open to being traded to the right situation" presumably a situation willing to pay more money and be with a winner as a prime example of what im getting at. sure "byrd is open to a trade according to unnamed source" is being reported by those people but "byrd hates buffalo and wants out and this is a disaster and its FACT" is the fan reaction im talking about. even the idea that he will punish the team by not prepping enough for the season intentionally that was floated. there are very vague and really without meaning quotes floating around but even if directly from byrd they really dont mean anything and many fans are trying to read their own agendas into them... On NFL Insiders just now Mort said that the Bills have called around to other teams in the league, but their stance on Byrd was the same as the bills. Saying that they like byrd but are not going to overpay for him or to get him. Schefter then said to keep and eye on this situation because something tells him its just the beginning..... Not sounding good at all. Some other guy on the panel said that the Bills would like to keep byrd but keep in mind that they drafted jonahton meeks and duke williams, also they moved Aaron Williams to safety. So the Bills are not in a desperate situation at that postion. i think thats the first new and meaningful info that weve gotten since the signing. assuming its credible. but even so, its mostly common sense. obviously the bills would atleast float discussions, and obviously no one bit at the high asking price. clearly its not over, as there is no long term deal. i could have tweeted both the rappaport and mort info without having a single source as its mostly simple common sense. until someone has an actual demand that has been made for trade, or dollars... im not really sure you can make anything out of the reporting. Edited August 22, 2013 by NoSaint
Kelly the Dog Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 On NFL Insiders just now Mort said that the Bills have called around to other teams in the league, but their stance on Byrd was the same as the bills. Saying that they like byrd but are not going to overpay for him or to get him. Schefter then said to keep and eye on this situation because something tells him its just the beginning..... Not sounding good at all. Some other guy on the panel said that the Bills would like to keep byrd but keep in mind that they drafted jonahton meeks and duke williams, also they moved Aaron Williams to safety. So the Bills are not in a desperate situation at that postion. This is something that I have not considered up until now, but how would it be possible to know what the real value of Byrd is around the league without calling other teams' GMs and inquiring if they are interested in making a deal for him? Surely you cannot trust the word of agents or pundits. The only possible way to find out whether he is considered a top 6 or top 4 or top 2 or whatever would be to call other teams and gauge their interest. It doesn't necessarily mean you don't want him at all. It's also possible that other teams are playing this up trying to get him, and fanning the flames themselves. Furthermore, this also fits into the "everyone is tradeable" argument. Some fans and writers think there are "untouchables" on every team, and others think that there is no such thing, and that if the right offer is made (however unlikely) that no one is untouchable. Tom Brady is untouchable. If the Packers offered Aaron Rogers and Clay Matthews, he's not.
NoSaint Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 This is something that I have not considered up until now, but how would it be possible to know what the real value of Byrd is around the league without calling other teams' GMs and inquiring if they are interested in making a deal for him? Surely you cannot trust the word of agents or pundits. The only possible way to find out whether he is considered a top 6 or top 4 or top 2 or whatever would be to call other teams and gauge their interest. It doesn't necessarily mean you don't want him at all. It's also possible that other teams are playing this up trying to get him, and fanning the flames themselves. Furthermore, this also fits into the "everyone is tradeable" argument. Some fans and writers think there are "untouchables" on every team, and others think that there is no such thing, and that if the right offer is made (however unlikely) that no one is untouchable. Tom Brady is untouchable. If the Packers offered Aaron Rogers and Clay Matthews, he's not. until one side says differently - im happy hes here, im assuming hes giving 100% and im hopeful we will either get a long term deal or a trade for respectable value as the final spot for this. even if its not ideal, its really not all that bad still.
K-9 Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Makes sense the Bills would make some calls to gauge his value relative to a trade. Makes sense for Parker to do the same thing. I think they both got the same responses. He's good, not great and, while he has a great nose for the ball, his lack of speed can be and indeed, has been, exposed on occasion. His best bet is to let Pettine's system, with our new stable of LBs and the necessary CB in Gilmore, work wonders for his game and better increase his value around the league. GO BILLS!!!
papazoid Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Makes sense the Bills would make some calls to gauge his value relative to a trade. Makes sense for Parker to do the same thing. I think they both got the same responses. He's good, not great and, while he has a great nose for the ball, his lack of speed can be and indeed, has been, exposed on occasion. His best bet is to let Pettine's system, with our new stable of LBs and the necessary CB in Gilmore, work wonders for his game and better increase his value around the league. GO BILLS!!! pretty sure Parker would need the Bills permission to call around, as that would be tampering. if Byrd and Parker don't like the hand they've been dealt.....they still have the option of going dirty by having Byrd pull up lame with some kind of injury. then he gets paid while missing games without risking long term injury.
K-9 Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 pretty sure Parker would need the Bills permission to call around, as that would be tampering. if Byrd and Parker don't like the hand they've been dealt.....they still have the option of going dirty by having Byrd pull up lame with some kind of injury. then he gets paid while missing games without risking long term injury. Parker had all the time in the world to call any team he wished the minute Byrd was slapped with the tag and free agency started. I have a hunch he did but didn't like the answers he got, either. I don't think it would be tampering if he did so now, either. It may be considered tampering if other teams called him, instead. As for pulling up lame, faking injury etc. That's not an easy thing to hide from your teammates. And it would only serve to lower Byrd's value as a result. I can be as cynical as the next guy at times, but I can't see Byrd doing that deliberately. His credibility would be shot. GO BILLS!!!
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 pretty sure Parker would need the Bills permission to call around, as that would be tampering. if Byrd and Parker don't like the hand they've been dealt.....they still have the option of going dirty by having Byrd pull up lame with some kind of injury. then he gets paid while missing games without risking long term injury. I have trouble believing that Byrd will do anything but prepare and play flat out this year. He wants the big bucks, from the Bills or whomever he gets traded to, signs with as a free agent, etc. Having a stellar year is the only way he gets there. His job is to prove to the Bills, and every other team, that he is the best safety in the league, and deserves to paid like he is.
eball Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 pretty sure Parker would need the Bills permission to call around, as that would be tampering. if Byrd and Parker don't like the hand they've been dealt.....they still have the option of going dirty by having Byrd pull up lame with some kind of injury. then he gets paid while missing games without risking long term injury. While ruining his reputation in the process. There's nothing about Byrd (or Parker, for that matter) to suggest he'll do anything other than come out and play his best, and the contract chips will fall where they may after the season.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 I have trouble believing that Byrd will do anything but prepare and play flat out this year. He wants the big bucks, from the Bills or whomever he gets traded to, signs with as a free agent, etc. Having a stellar year is the only way he gets there. His job is to prove to the Bills, and every other team, that he is the best safety in the league, and deserves to paid like he is. Right. Not playing hard to avoid injury is not only a recipe to get hurt, it would be the stupidest thing he could do.
Doc Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 I'm not sure why people are so incredulous about Byrd wanting to be the highest-paid safety in the league? He's just came off a Pro Bowl/All-Pro season, it's pretty young, and his agent is Eugene Parker, who usually tries to shoot for the moon. This is almost exactly the same situation as the Jason Peters thing.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 I'm not sure why people are so incredulous about Byrd wanting to be the highest-paid safety in the league? He's just came off a Pro Bowl/All-Pro season, it's pretty young, and his agent is Eugene Parker, who usually tries to shoot for the moon. This is almost exactly the same situation as the Jason Peters thing. Correct. As I stated in another post, another thing people often seem to forget is how contract numbers are decided. It's part past performance; part future probability. The fact is, Jairus Byrd is at the zenith of both of those, and he is good against the run and the pass. He's been very good already, has never not been good, is getting better, and is very, very young. There may be better safeties in the game (although perhaps not), but there is almost no arguing that he deserves the best contract amongst safeties in the game if all things were equal. You don't have to already be the best to deserve the highest contract.
FluffHead Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Byrd will travel to Washington per bills twitter
Doc Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Correct. As I stated in another post, another thing people often seem to forget is how contract numbers are decided. It's part past performance; part future probability. The fact is, Jairus Byrd is at the zenith of both of those, and he is good against the run and the pass. He's been very good already, has never not been good, is getting better, and is very, very young. There may be better safeties in the game (although perhaps not), but there is almost no arguing that he deserves the best contract amongst safeties in the game if all things were equal. You don't have to already be the best to deserve the highest contract. True. But at the same time, what you think you're worth might not be what others perceive it to be.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 A landing: @JeffRussoWKBW #Bills announce that Jairus Byrd has just arrived at OBD @WKBW
Meatloaf Sandwich Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Lets see if he passes his conditioning test.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Lets see if he passes his conditioning test. Byrd is the consummate pro. I very much doubt that this will be an issue.
Doc Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 What did Schefter mean when he predicted things would "get worse"? Byrd really has no choice but to play well this season.
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