JuanGuzman Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 One question, if the officer smelled a strong odor of cannabis? How come Nigel doesn't some type of operating a vehicle while impaired ticket e.g., DUI,DWI etc. A gues/hypoethesis* here... If there wasn't enough evidence that he had used the substance recently (before or during) driving the car, I wonder if he can plausisbly pass the stuff off as belonging to someone else. Or does the lack of DWI relate to the fact he wasn't pulled over for erractic driving... *not at all familiar with new york state laws so someone please tell me if my hypoethis isactually just me being ignorant and putting my foot in my mouth.
BuffaloBaumer Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 You really cant wait until you're out of the car?
Rob's House Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) What I don't get is that there are products that allow you to smoke potent oil derivatives that are very discreet and give off very little odor. This guy's obviously well enough within the resources that he can smoke in style, so what's he doing smoking raw bud on the road? Edited August 19, 2013 by Rob's House
AReed Deep For6 Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) Keep fighting the good fight Alpha! Funny I have an elite NFL pro bowl player who comes to my dispensary in LA as a legal patient for mmj for his rehab from surgery because the pain pills the doc prescribes are addictive, harmful, and make him feel brain dead and sick. He takes edibles instead for pain management that are high in CBD's instead of THC so he gets a lot of pain relief with very little high effects. Also have some ex NFL players who come to manage their post career ongoing pain. Keep fighting the good fight Alpha! So stupid that alcohol, tobacco and harmful and deadly pain killers are all legit, but cannabis isn't which is all natural and a million times better for you. Hell tobacco is so bad that it can kill you even if you don't smoke it, just have to be in the same room with it. Edited August 19, 2013 by AReed Deep For6
yall Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 So funny is this argument when there are a million other herbs, spices, and all natural items that are just as beneficial as marijuana. Sorry to burst your bubble... edit: Oh, and they're not illegal. edit edit: I am for the decriminalization and legalization of all drugs. How did you burst his bubble? You didn't invalidate anything he said.
RuntheDamnBall Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 One question, if the officer smelled a strong odor of cannabis? How come Nigel doesn't some type of operating a vehicle while impaired ticket e.g., DUI,DWI etc. There could be a strong odor from the bag without his having smoked it. I am sure they searched for paraphernalia or a larger amount of drugs in the car once they spotted the small bag. If there wasn't anything that appeared to indicate his having smoked, and his driving wasn't erratic, chances are he wouldn't have received a DUI ticket.
ChasBB Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 So, if Nigel played for the Broncos, how would this have played out?
RuntheDamnBall Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 These guys will never learn You're right to feel this way to some extent; after all, millions of dollars are on the line and that should be enough to stay straight for a time, or to at least use discretion. But presuming the law changes as it gradually has over time, what will there be to learn? That the law is inconsistent in different quarters, and perhaps that it is perhaps irrational considering the harm caused by other regulated drugs in comparison? So, if Nigel played for the Broncos, how would this have played out? At a much higher altitude.
Jamie Nails Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) Admittedly, I haven't read all six pages, so perhaps this has already been mentioned. Murph just stated that if he's in the NFL's substance abuse program already (something we wouldn't know) he will receive a suspension (likely 4 games), if not, he may not or less (1 game). Take it for what it's worth, but something worth noting in this discussion. Hopefully, this is his first infraction. Edited August 19, 2013 by Jamie Nails
JuanGuzman Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 There could be a strong odor from the bag without his having smoked it. I am sure they searched for paraphernalia or a larger amount of drugs in the car once they spotted the small bag. If there wasn't anything that appeared to indicate his having smoked, and his driving wasn't erratic, chances are he wouldn't have received a DUI ticket. If this is the case, can't he tell Goodell that a "friend" borrowed his car and left the bag it in the glove box? Seems like he would have plausible denaibility...
chris heff Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) Good we need more guys with records! My concern is WTF was he doing in Tonawanda? Okay, now that I have stopped laughing. I feel the need to try and answer your question: Lost? Sight seeing? Home shopping? Just cruising around? Looking for the guy who stashed weed in his car? Looking for the "Famous Trees of the Tonawandas" (a book by my crazy uncle)? Wanted a Dog from Old Man River (he would be hungry)? Looking for my ancestral home? Heard Tonawanda had a Domed Stadium? Or maybe "nothing but a woman"? Edited August 19, 2013 by chris heff
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Actually, a first violation doesn't merit a suspension, right? That's a great question. If it's a positive NFL test, that's true per 2011 League Policies (most recent I could find fast online). First offense is a program. But if it's a legal matter - I think it's up to the commissioner. RichmondRob is correct for NYS that it's not a big deal: Possession of 25 grams (0.88 ounces) or less of cannabis is a civil citation punishable by up to a $250 fine and a $100 court surcharge; stricter punishments exist for sale, cultivation, or subsequent offenses. If found in a public place with marijuana burning or in public view, offender can be charged with a misdemeanor, fined $500, and incarcerated up to 3 months.[58] First-time offenders of all marijuana possession laws and some marijuana sale laws are, with some exception, granted an automatic marijuana adjournment of their case in contemplation of dismissal ("MACD"), meaning that if the offender commits no crimes and abides by any conditions set by the court, his or her case will be automatically dismissed after one year.[59] However, ganja is still criminal under Federal law, and that's the law the NFL looks at as I understand it. Bradham has been running with the 2's under Pettine. Sounds like Nigel Badass and Da'Rick have been soothing their egos by rolling joints rather than rolling extra film (or whatever)
RuntheDamnBall Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 If this is the case, can't he tell Goodell that a "friend" borrowed his car and left the bag it in the glove box? Seems like he would have plausible denaibility... Maybe he just knew that lying would have made it worse, which is true 9 times out of 10. Okay, now that I have stopped laughing. I feel the need to try and answer your question: Lost? Sight seeing? Home shopping? Just cruising around? Looking for the guy who stashed weed in his car? Looking for the "Famous Trees of the Tonawandas" (a book by my crazy uncle)? Wanted a Dog from Old Man River (he would be hungry)? Looking for my ancestral home? Heard Tonawanda had a Domed Stadium? Or maybe "nothing but a woman"? I think he was just trying to return his weed, I mean, this weed, to the friend who accidentally left it in his car.
Fredo G. Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) "Oh man,I was just going to Old Man River for a Dog and Loganberry"......... "I was just going to Cassattas to meet this chick".... "Dude,I was just going to Swistons for a Beef on Weck..." Edited August 19, 2013 by Fredo G.
uncle flap Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 There are a lot of questions here. It seems the cop was "fishing," and the subsequent amount of marijuana found would normally lead to an ACD (Adjournment in Contemplation of Dismissal). The NFL reserves the right to discipline players "convicted of or admitting to a violation of law" pertaining to use or possession of illegal substances. However, the ACD exists as chance to maintain a clean record. It is not a conviction and it's not equal to a probation. So I wonder: 1. Will the NFL consider Bradham's actions as a violation of their substance abuse policy? He certainly hasn't been convicted, and I don't know if the "admission" part applies in a criminal case. Admission is not the same as a confession, so I am interested to learn the NFL's interpretation of the term. 2. Is the Tonawanda PD at fault for acknowledging that it was indeed Bradham? When ACD is in play, there seems to be an assumption of privacy. In essence, if Bradham stays out of trouble for a period of time, there would be no record of the initial charge. Does a subsequent dismissal of the charge matter in the NFL's eyes? 3. Is the NFL willing to set a precedent that they will discipline a player on essentially hearsay? As noted above, the record of Bradham's possession exists in a weird (at least to this layman) legal netherworld, in the sense it may cease to officially exist. Of course, it "exists" now and there is a news report regarding the incident, but I don't know that the NFL can use that against Bradham since as far as I can tell, as that would be circumventing "due process." Any attorneys want to chime in here? I know we are talking about two sets of laws here, the NFL's and NYS's, but I have to assume that the NFLPA and Bradham have a good shot at "beating the case," so to speak.
billsfan89 Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 Its 2013 and Marijuana is still illegal, this is not a comment on Nigel but rather a show of how stupid prohibition of Marijuana is.
chris heff Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 "Oh man,I was just going to Old Man River for a Dog and Loganberry"......... "I was just going to Cassattas to meet this chick".... "Dude,I was just going to Swistons for a Beef on Weck..." "Fredo, you broke my heart"!
Fredo G. Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) "Fredo, you broke my heart"! you,re my first... Are we going to Godfather quotes " Kevin,it's just business"...... Edited August 20, 2013 by Fredo G.
Gray Beard Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 What is the liklihood that the Bills cut him? He is probably a second stringer, maybe they wil decide they don't want to put up with the hassle or distraction.
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