T McGee

[thebandit27]

So, how highly do you think he was rated by most Bills fans? I never heard much stronger than "very good" or "best on the team", which I think were both true when he was healthy.

 

I wouldn't know about most, but many times I heard "very good" (as you say) and "pro bowl caliber" mentioned in reference to McGee, which I didn't (and still don't) agree with. As I said, average corner, unbelievable kick returner, great person (like I said, I loved the guy and had his jersey). As for best on the team, not while Clements was here, and not after Greer hit his stride in 2007, so I suppose I'd agree that in early 2007 that was the case.

 

Again, I'm not bashing the guy or trying to argue his merits, I simply feel that many Bills' fans overestimated or overstated his ability at CB. Saying he wasn't as good as Clements in his Pro Bowl years or Greer once he came into his own isn't dissing the guy; those 2 were excellent CBs (Greer still is; Clements fell off considerably after getting his big deal).

 

It's entirely possible that you disagree, which is fine...we all value players differently I'm sure.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

"one of the all time great Bills players" is your opinion.

 

I personally think he was extremely overrated for his entire career (except a few seasons as a kick returner).

 

But that's besides the point. The point of your thread is that he's ridiculously old and battered and probably wouldn't make it past 2 hours of practice without getting a career injury.

 

Rags.... "You make it sound like.." Terrance McGee "..stole your wife, ran over your dog, and adopted your first born. "

 

=)

 

His legs were shot. That said I might still prefer to see him out there more than Justin Rogers.

 

Seems like he looked better at coverage than Mckballskills for the past 5 or whatever years and I would have preferred any DB, a few linebackers and maybe a DE in coverage over A Williams at corner last year.

 

I am not saying bring him back, but after Gilmore, there is a mighty drop off that needs to be addressed.

[djp14150]

He was a really good Bills CB---injuries took him just like what happened with Nate Odemes. Of course because the Bills havent been doing all that well he didnt get as much fame and respect as teams CBs who regularly made the playoffs.

[Matt in KC]

I wouldn't know about most, but many times I heard "very good" (as you say) and "pro bowl caliber" mentioned in reference to McGee, which I didn't (and still don't) agree with. As I said, average corner, unbelievable kick returner, great person (like I said, I loved the guy and had his jersey). As for best on the team, not while Clements was here, and not after Greer hit his stride in 2007, so I suppose I'd agree that in early 2007 that was the case.

 

Again, I'm not bashing the guy or trying to argue his merits, I simply feel that many Bills' fans overestimated or overstated his ability at CB. Saying he wasn't as good as Clements in his Pro Bowl years or Greer once he came into his own isn't dissing the guy; those 2 were excellent CBs (Greer still is; Clements fell off considerably after getting his big deal).

 

It's entirely possible that you disagree, which is fine...we all value players differently I'm sure.

Top 50 All-Time Bills, No. 49: CB/KR Terrence McGee

 

"Very good" and "pro-bowl caliber" were the comments that made you think he was dramatically over-rated by most Bills fans?

 

From the link:

Career Stats

357 solo tackles (No. 9 in franchise history - tackles weren't an official stat until 2001)

16 Interceptions (No. 16)

86 passes defended (No. 2)

106 fumble return yards (No. 1)

206 kick returns (No. 1)

5,420 kick return yards (No. 1)

5 kick return TD (No. 1)

7 total return TD: 5 kickoff, 1 INT, 1 fumble (tied for most in franchise history)

I know we're debating his CB play and the last 5 are for returns, but still, I thought I'd leave those in, since he deserves recognition.

[mrags]

 

 

jeepers, please read before ripping into my credibility. how easy is that to do in kneejerkville these days (and no, i'm not calling you a jerk, just simply over-reactionary). seems like anyone disagreeing with me these days goes off and questions my credibility. god, it's a discussion. i provided an opinion. and i didn't write simply "better." i wrote: "he's no better or worse."

 

sonofa-something. it's nearly impossible to have a discussion these days with some Bills fans who are so far dug in, that they can't see the horizon of perspective,

 

can't we just tap the brakes just a little.

 

 

jw

easy there John. Your getting defensive there. Is it really that crazy of a thing to say that a 30+ year old CB with multiple injury riddled seasons is far worse than any 23-25 year old CB that is lightning fast and healthy?

 

Just think about it for a minute. I know you were making light of the situation. And I know I have a tendency to go off the handle here. I get worked up most when I argue about overrated players. Not saying you overrated him. He just gets a ton of love on this board. Considering he hasn't done anything in this league in about 5 years, I don't think I'm out of my mind here.

 

 

As far as anyone else calling me crazy for thinking he wasn't good. Fine. You provide stats of his returns for 4 years. That's fantastic. If we're talking about returns and how "great" McGee was, then I guess Devin Heater is a 1st ballot HOFer considering his returns were out of this world for 4 years or more.

 

I'm arguing about his ability to play his actual position. He was average at CB. That's all. He was pretty good in many eyes because we had nobody else. If he was a CB on this team, in his prime right now he'd be our 2nd CB behind Gilmore.

 

In 10 seasons, McGee has 17 interceptions (1 for a TD), and 440 tackles, 3 Forced Fumbles, and 4 Fumble Recoveries.

 

That's really not that good. I did some searching and found that interceptions were better than Winfield despite the fact that Wilnfield has played 14 seasons. However Winfield has many more Tackles. Almost double in fact.

 

Personally I'd rather have Winfield in a heartbeat over McGee.

 

 

Sorry to make it sound personal JW. Didnt mean to offend. I do respect and appreciate your presence here on this board.

 

 

 

I wouldn't know about most, but many times I heard "very good" (as you say) and "pro bowl caliber" mentioned in reference to McGee, which I didn't (and still don't) agree with. As I said, average corner, unbelievable kick returner, great person (like I said, I loved the guy and had his jersey). As for best on the team, not while Clements was here, and not after Greer hit his stride in 2007, so I suppose I'd agree that in early 2007 that was the case.

 

Again, I'm not bashing the guy or trying to argue his merits, I simply feel that many Bills' fans overestimated or overstated his ability at CB. Saying he wasn't as good as Clements in his Pro Bowl years or Greer once he came into his own isn't dissing the guy; those 2 were excellent CBs (Greer still is; Clements fell off considerably after getting his big deal).

 

It's entirely possible that you disagree, which is fine...we all value players differently I'm sure.

very well said.

 

 

 

Rags.... "You make it sound like.." Terrance McGee "..stole your wife, ran over your dog, and adopted your first born. "

 

=)

 

His legs were shot. That said I might still prefer to see him out there more than Justin Rogers.

 

Seems like he looked better at coverage than Mckballskills for the past 5 or whatever years and I would have preferred any DB, a few linebackers and maybe a DE in coverage over A Williams at corner last year.

 

I am not saying bring him back, but after Gilmore, there is a mighty drop off that needs to be addressed.

as stated in my post to JW. I get extrely worked up over fan favorites and overrated players. IMO he's one of the most overrated to don a Bills uniform. That's just my opinion. I'm perfectly fine with anyone and everyone disagreeing with me. Not only do I accept it, I understand that because he's a fan favorite I know it will happen. That's fine. I have my opinions and you all have yours.

 

 

[RealityCheck]

Where ever McGee is, I hope he is doing well. That guy got everything he possibly could out of that body. He was fun to watch for a long time. It's too bad he got stuck playing that god awful cover-2 for so long playing 8 to 10 yards off. I felt that his press cover skills weren't used nearly enough. He simply played his heart out.

[San Jose Bills Fan]

McGee a better cover man than Winfield?

 

I find that laughable.

 

Other than not getting many interceptions as a Bill, Winfield was a better cover man than McGee.

 

Cornerbacks don't go to the Pro Bowl (or get voted All Pro) because of their tackling ability.

 

Winfield excelled in coverage.

[dave mcbride]

I'll repeat -- he had an AV of 15 in 2004, primarily because of his cb play. No bill has had an AV that high since. (See www.pro-football-reference.com.)

[thebandit27]

Top 50 All-Time Bills, No. 49: CB/KR Terrence McGee

 

"Very good" and "pro-bowl caliber" were the comments that made you think he was dramatically over-rated by most Bills fans?

 

From the link:

I know we're debating his CB play and the last 5 are for returns, but still, I thought I'd leave those in, since he deserves recognition.

 

Once again I point out that I didn't say "most", I said "many". And yes, those comments lead me to believe that the many folks I've heard make them are over-rating the player.

 

As I've said: average CB, phenomenal returner, great guy.

 

Nothing wrong with that.

 

McGee a better cover man than Winfield?

 

I find that laughable.

 

Other than not getting many interceptions as a Bill, Winfield was a better cover man than McGee.

 

Cornerbacks don't go to the Pro Bowl (or get voted All Pro) because of their tackling ability.

 

Winfield excelled in coverage.

 

Agree 100%

[NoSaint]

 

 

I wouldn't know about most, but many times I heard "very good" (as you say) and "pro bowl caliber" mentioned in reference to McGee, which I didn't (and still don't) agree with. As I said, average corner, unbelievable kick returner, great person (like I said, I loved the guy and had his jersey). As for best on the team, not while Clements was here, and not after Greer hit his stride in 2007, so I suppose I'd agree that in early 2007 that was the case.

 

Again, I'm not bashing the guy or trying to argue his merits, I simply feel that many Bills' fans overestimated or overstated his ability at CB. Saying he wasn't as good as Clements in his Pro Bowl years or Greer once he came into his own isn't dissing the guy; those 2 were excellent CBs (Greer still is; Clements fell off considerably after getting his big deal).

 

It's entirely possible that you disagree, which is fine...we all value players differently I'm sure.

 

Generally speaking, I think much of the board would be happier if they could deal with accepting players simply as "good" instead of one of the greatest or worst ever being the only two options.

 

Mcgee was a good player. I think you slightly underrate him as a corner (average bills corner generally is better than average nfl corner the last decade or so in my opinion).... But nothing too crazy to argue over on him.

[NoName]

In his prime he was one of the great Bills. His returns were a thing of beauty. A Total team player.

 

I like Terrence Mcgee but one of the great Bills????? That's funny.

He was a middle of the pack NFL Starting CB in his prime and a Top 3 or 5 return man in the league. Doesn't make him A Bills great.

He's much closer to Leodis Mckelvin than say a Nate Clements and Nate Clements wasn't a Bills great.

 

And who ever said that McGee had better cover skills than Winfield ought to have their posting privileges taken away.

Edited August 15, 2013 by NoName

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I'll repeat -- he had an AV of 15 in 2004, primarily because of his cb play. No bill has had an AV that high since. (See www.pro-football-reference.com.)

 

For some bizarre reason, people want to avoid these stats.

 

McGee was such a solid CB for us for quite a stretch, and yet a few people on here with no real evidence apparently think he stinks. I find it to be bizarre.

 

by the way, in terms of ball skills, he was probably right there with Clements. (Winfield, also by the way, had hands like stone when he was here. The guy had like 4 picks in all his years here).

[mrags]

 

 

For some bizarre reason, people want to avoid these stats.

 

McGee was such a solid CB for us for quite a stretch, and yet a few people on here with no real evidence apparently think he stinks. I find it to be bizarre.

 

by the way, in terms of ball skills, he was probably right there with Clements. (Winfield, also by the way, had hands like stone when he was here. The guy had like 4 picks in all his years here).

o don't think anyone is saying he "stinks" just simply stating that he's extremely overrated by Bills homers, especially on this site.

 

Honestly, it's no different than Parrish, Evans. Good players at their positions, but calling them "great" is a nothing short of a joke.

 

Just seems people really fall in love with the return guys much more than any other position.

[enlightener]

 

 

as stated in my post to JW. I get extrely worked up over fan favorites and overrated players. IMO he's one of the most overrated to don a Bills uniform.

so are you talking about SJ or McGee here? im confused after you spent a week defending another extremely overrated bills player and then preach about opinions being opinions.

 

but calling them "great" is a nothing short of a joke.

 

ok so you are talking about SJ, got it.

[Rico]

^^^

No one was more overrated as a Bill than Lil Antoine, especially by the homers who were also vertically challenged.He was never elite in Buffalo, unlike McGee who had an exceptionally good couple years as documented above.

[beerme1]

Rags something you are overlooking in the conversation is the guys commitment to the team. Did Clements have that? No. All about me. I sure as hell wish they Jabari too but keeping T was also the right thing to do by a player that had done the right thing by you. Maybe you can use Schobel as a comparison. You can question his high level of talent but never his commitment to the Buffalo Bills.I will always hold a player in higher regard that treated the organization with respect over someone who was just chasing the paycheck or never really wanted to be here. Hello Jarius?

[Best Player Available]

I like Terrence Mcgee but one of the great Bills????? That's funny.

He was a middle of the pack NFL Starting CB in his prime and a Top 3 or 5 return man in the league. Doesn't make him A Bills great.

He's much closer to Leodis Mckelvin than say a Nate Clements and Nate Clements wasn't a Bills great.

 

And who ever said that McGee had better cover skills than Winfield ought to have their posting privileges taken away.

That's your opinion. I called him a Bills great because truthfully in the past 19 years there aren't very many. If I called him a NFL great that's a different tune. He's a Bills great and next to Moorman was one of the bright spots for years. He kept his mouth shut played the tampon 2 among other pathetic schemes and did his best. We had a good punter, and a good returner. And it pretty much ended there. Nice spin though. When you compare my comments to some on this board right now saying Tuel could be the next Tom Brady then I feel pretty safe.

[enlightener]

Well, you have your opinion..

 

By your own account, you just named 4 seasons of high level NFL play. That's not your every day 'extremely overrated, nothing special' kind of rhetoric, in MY opinion.

yes in mr rags opinion, you only need three years of good play to be one of the greatest in bills history, see his posts on SJ having 3 years (consecutive mind you) of barely squeaking out 1000 yards. this is definitive proof in his mind of being a great bills starter. Mcgee had 4 years of top level play so Mr Rags thinks he is a great Bill....no matter what he says.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

o don't think anyone is saying he "stinks" just simply stating that he's extremely overrated by Bills homers, especially on this site.

 

Honestly, it's no different than Parrish, Evans. Good players at their positions, but calling them "great" is a nothing short of a joke.

 

But the stats bear out that McGee was great, no?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

A good read for McGee haters. Statistically he's atop the bills record books in multiple categories. Including passes defended...not a kr stat.

 

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/5/28/886750/top-50-all-time-bills-no-49-cb-kr