Question for Atheists

[OCinBuffalo]

Butt-hurt is a term the kids are using these days - didn't mean to make it wierd...lol.

 

From a believer, your comments, while human, didn't seem very Christlike. That's all I'm saying. A guy says he denounces the holy spirit and you say he'll burn in hell for all eternity because of it, which doesn't seem to be a very measured response IMO. I'm really just trying to point out the apparent contradiction between what you seem to believe and how you choose show it. Do unto others and all that...

Stop getting all butthurt about some guy saying you're going to "burn in hell for all eternity". You don't believe in it, so what's the worry? Burning in hell only matters, if you believe it's possible, right? So what's going on here Frenkle? A little bit of apprehension? Perhaps not butthurt, rather, a sudden tightening of the sphincter?

With regard to the Jefferson quote, I never used it to try to support atheism or deism. I only use it to point out that ridicule is a valid vehicle for shooting down unscientific propositions.

It is. Why do you think I spend so much time here ridiculing you and others? Why is ridicule my weapon of choice? I don't have to write this way. I could write lots of ways. Ridicule is not only valid, it is effective, especially when arguments of emotion prevent clear thought.

I made no such claims

You're "burden of proof" argument makes exactly that claim. You can say there is no God with certainty, and unless they provide evidence, you are right. Please.

If you could blow yourself, would you ever leave the house?

Of course, why wouldn't I want to go to Bills/Sabres games?

 

Does that mean the answer to my question is no, you've never encountered the "I can't concieve of it, that means it doesn't exist" mentality in your 15 years of working in IT? That question remains. How many more posts until you answer it?

Again, I made no such claims. Can you say the same?

What? I am asking you 3 questions, rather than telling me about the claims you aren't making, how about you answer the questions?

Look over there!!! You're such a tool.

 

Frenkle, are you trying to do this?

 

 

Well, you suck it.

 

Re-read what I wrote and tell me exactly where the error is in any of it.

Edited August 14, 2013 by OCinBuffalo

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

Butt-hurt is a term the kids are using these days - didn't mean to make it wierd...lol.

 

From a believer, your comments, while human, didn't seem very Christlike. That's all I'm saying. A guy says he denounces the holy spirit and you say he'll burn in hell for all eternity because of it, which doesn't seem to be a very measured response IMO. I'm really just trying to point out the apparent contradiction between what you seem to believe and how you choose show it. Do unto others and all that...

 

and

 

Stop getting all butthurt about some guy saying you're going to "burn in hell for all eternity". You don't believe in it, so what's the worry? Burning in hell only matters, if you believe it's possible, right? So what's going on here Frenkle? A little bit of apprehension? Perhaps not butthurt, rather, a sudden tightening of the sphincter?

 

Geesh..."some guy"? I have a screen name for heaven's sake. To be fair, I never suggested that PJ nor the man we know as "Frenkle" would be burn in hell for all eterntiy. I said PJ would roast on a George Foreman grill.

 

All this butt and sphincter talk has me on edge. Good day to you both.

[OCinBuffalo]

All this butt and sphincter talk has me on edge. Good day to you both.

 

Hooray! Mission accomplished.

 

Pretense...is not argument. I don't want to hear your dopey predictions of the after life, any more than I want to hear Frenkle's pretentious suggestion that he has the corner on the reason market.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

Hooray! Mission accomplished.

 

Pretense...is not argument. I don't want to hear your dopey predictions of the after life, any more than I want to hear Frenkle's pretentious suggestion that he has the corner on the reason market.

 

Well...your silly little squirrel/nut/faux democrat party seal post was probably the hit of Mrs. Smith's 7th grade homeroom class...but strikes me as sort of the definition of "dopey" when you're trying to show up another poster on a message board. It makes you look like a little boy wearing his dad's big shoes to school. Oh... and thanks for the clarification on "Pretense", but it was unnecessary here--I read books, too.

[DC Tom]

 

 

 

That's awesome.

[OCinBuffalo]

Well...your silly little squirrel/nut/faux democrat party seal post was probably the hit of Mrs. Smith's 7th grade homeroom class...but strikes me as sort of the definition of "dopey" when you're trying to show up another poster on a message board. It makes you look like a little boy wearing his dad's big shoes to school. Oh... and thanks for the clarification on "Pretense", but it was unnecessary here--I read books, too.

Babble babble babble. Instead of the Hamburglar we have the babbleburglar. You don't even understand that poster, do you?

 

Look, if you're going to hang around here, and pretend you are Mrs. Smith, and this is your homeroom class?

 

Prepare for lulzstorm headed your way. We don't take admonishment well, and a rookie has no right to say anything to anybody about how we do it here. This is the HS field house, not homeroom.

 

That means yes, everyone's ass gets snapped by a wet towel now and again. You face a choice: laugh and deal with it, or, fight a losing battle to demand that we stop our high jinks, or, leave.

 

That's awesome.

I learned it from watching B-Man

Edited August 15, 2013 by OCinBuffalo

[Gene Frenkle]

Babble babble babble. Instead of the Hamburglar we have the babbleburglar. You don't even understand that poster, do you?

 

Look, if you're going to hang around here, and pretend you are Mrs. Smith, and this is your homeroom class?

 

Prepare for lulzstorm headed your way. We don't take admonishment well, and a rookie has no right to say anything to anybody about how we do it here. This is the HS field house, not homeroom.

 

That means yes, everyone's ass gets snapped by a wet towel now and again. You face a choice: laugh and deal with it, or, fight a losing battle to demand that we stop our high jinks, or, leave.

You are a !@#$ing dork! :lol:

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

Babble babble babble. Instead of the Hamburglar we have the babbleburglar. You don't even understand that poster, do you?

 

Look, if you're going to hang around here, and pretend you are Mrs. Smith, and this is your homeroom class?

 

Prepare for lulzstorm headed your way. We don't take admonishment well, and a rookie has no right to say anything to anybody about how we do it here. This is the HS field house, not homeroom.

 

That means yes, everyone's ass gets snapped by a wet towel now and again. You face a choice: laugh and deal with it, or, fight a losing battle to demand that we stop our high jinks, or, leave.

 

 

I learned it from watching B-Man

 

To quote Phil Hartman: "Incandescent blather.". Best I can tell, you want to play it off as towel-snapping yuks, but you're thin-skinned, like a drunken fraternity boy. No problem though, I'll move on to avoid being hazed like a rookie...of a message board.

Edited August 15, 2013 by timmo1805

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

You are a !@#$ing dork! :lol:

 

i read way more than i post, obviously evidenced by my status. i like to peruse the various comments, generally football-related because i enjoy the jib-jab, but now and again i pop in the PPP forum for some fun. as a conservative, neo-con really, I can't think of any time i've ever agreed with something you've written. i don't post to get into confrontations, like to have a bit of fun and try and keep the name-calling out of it....but i have no choice but to look over my shoulder for a while because some group i know only as "we" is coming for me. or, maybe we're talking multiple personality disorder and there's only one 'we' but he so craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayzaaay.

 

if anybody asks if you saw me, tell 'em i skipped town.

[OCinBuffalo]

To quote Phil Hartman: "Incandescent blather.". Best I can tell, you want to play it off as towel-snapping yuks, but you're thin-skinned, like a drunken fraternity boy. No problem though, I'll move on to avoid being hazed like a rookie...of a message board.

I am drunken, that one is a definite.

 

What does a frat boy have to do with you deciding who is going to hell? That's why you are in trouble here. You sound like a judgmental tool, and that will always get you slapped around at PPP. We don't let "moral superiority" phonies on the left get away with it, why should we allow it from the right?

 

Also: Can somebody explain all this "frat boy" hate for the last 5 years?

 

You don't marginalize somebody if you have a constant need to keep bringing them up. Rather, it sounds more like you wish you were them, but, you have to keep telling yourself and other people that you didn't want to be them anyway...as if you actually were presented the choice.

 

I highly doubt any frat boys give 2 schits what people think about them. That's why they are frat boys, and their critics are not. Most frat boys I know have done quite nicely for themselves, so perhaps this is a jealously thing? I suppose it takes some strength of character to put yourself in a position of being "1 down" for a while, and earning something, however ridiculous it ends up being.

 

While the "frat boy" haters, by their constant need to bring this up, seem to have weakness of character. Perhaps their mere existence provides more humiliation daily than they can handle, so they could never fathom taking on more?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

I am drunken, that one is a definite.

 

What does a frat boy have to do with you deciding who is going to hell? That's why you are in trouble here. You sound like a judgmental tool, and that will always get you slapped around at PPP. We don't let "moral superiority" phonies on the left get away with it, why should we allow it from the right?

 

Also: Can somebody explain all this "frat boy" hate for the last 5 years?

 

You don't marginalize somebody if you have a constant need to keep bringing them up. Rather, it sounds more like you wish you were them, but, you have to keep telling yourself and other people that you didn't want to be them anyway...as if you actually were presented the choice.

 

I highly doubt any frat boys give 2 schits what people think about them. That's why they are frat boys, and their critics are not. Most frat boys I know have done quite nicely for themselves, so perhaps this is a jealously thing? I suppose it takes some strength of character to put yourself in a position of being "1 down" for a while, and earning something, however ridiculous it ends up being.

 

While the "frat boy" haters, by their constant need to bring this up, seem to have weakness of character. Perhaps their mere existence provides more humiliation daily than they can handle, so they could never fathom taking on more?

 

 

I'm in trouble? I don't feel like I'm in trouble, but thanks for letting me know.

 

What did I type that has you and your angry group of anonymites thinking I'm morally superior? Was it Satan, grill, or fatty pork loin? And who is the 'we' you keep referencing, and why do you feel the need to keep bringing them up? Do you find comfort in numbers? And...this is crazy, really, and difficult conceptually to follow when you have a pack mentality....but it doesn't even strike you as a teeny weeny bit poliburo-ish to type things like "We don't let "moral superiority" phonies on the left get away with it, why should we allow it from the right?'. Thank you, Komrad, just post the rules on the slate-gray wall for all of us to follow.

 

I can't speak to all the frat boy hate you've picked up on in your life, but what makes you think I hate frat boys to begin with? Do you honestly think you're in a position to render an opinion on my hate of fraternities or lack thereof from my comment? If I had said someone was behaving like a drunken sailor, does that mean that I hate sailors? i think it's presumptuous of you, though i forgive you.

 

I agree with you to a point on fraternity boys caring what others think. Then again, maybe a lot of them really care about what other people think. it's hard to say when you don't generalize. As for jealousy....I'll let you come to your own conclusions. After our correspondence, I can see how you would look at the comments I made and conclude the only logical explanation is that I'm jealous of fraternity members, most of whom you know being successful and all. It's as simple as A + B = Pineapple.

 

Oh, yeah, and there's a lot of us out here who don't like your tone. We don't like it, not one bit.

Edited August 15, 2013 by timmo1805

[DC Tom]

I'm in trouble? I don't feel like I'm in trouble, but thanks for letting me know.

 

What did I type that has you and your angry group of anonymites thinking I'm morally superior? Was it Satan, grill, or fatty pork loin? And who is the 'we' you keep referencing, and why do you feel the need to keep bringing them up? Do you find comfort in numbers? And...this is crazy, really, and difficult conceptually to follow when you have a pack mentality....but it doesn't even strike you as a teeny weeny bit poliburo-ish to type things like "We don't let "moral superiority" phonies on the left get away with it, why should we allow it from the right?'. Thank you, Komrad, just post the rules on the slate-gray wall for all of us to follow.

 

I can't speak to all the frat boy hate you've picked up on in your life, but what makes you think I hate frat boys to begin with? Do you honestly think you're in a position to render an opinion on my hate of fraternities or lack thereof from my comment? If I had said someone was behaving like a drunken sailor, does that mean that I hate sailors? i think it's presumptuous of you, though i forgive you.

 

I agree with you to a point on fraternity boys caring what others think. Then again, maybe a lot of them really care about what other people think. it's hard to say when you don't generalize. As for jealousy....I'll let you come to your own conclusions. After our correspondence, I can see how you would look at the comments I made and conclude the only logical explanation is that I'm jealous of fraternity members, most of whom you know being successful and all. It's as simple as A + B = Pineapple.

 

Oh, yeah, and there's a lot of us out here who don't like your tone. We don't like it, not one bit.

 

Talk about incandescent blather. You two are made for each other.

[Rob's House]

Stop getting all butthurt about some guy saying you're going to "burn in hell for all eternity". You don't believe in it, so what's the worry? Burning in hell only matters, if you believe it's possible, right? So what's going on here Frenkle? A little bit of apprehension? Perhaps not butthurt, rather, a sudden tightening of the sphincter?

 

I don't tend to pay that crowd any mind, but the smug religious types that gleefully declare that they'll be in heaven while those who have the audacity not to believe in the holy mythology their parents raised them on will suffer eternal agony burning in hell are among the biggest douche bags our society has cranked out. I don't get as worked up about it as Gene because those people are pathetic and have no power to impact me anyway so I don't rail against them, but if I saw one of them on fire I wouldn't bother to piss on him to put it out either. (I might even chuckle that he got to sample the hell fire).

[3rdnlng]

I don't tend to pay that crowd any mind, but the smug religious types that gleefully declare that they'll be in heaven while those who have the audacity not to believe in the holy mythology their parents raised them on will suffer eternal agony burning in hell are among the biggest douche bags our society has cranked out. I don't get as worked up about it as Gene because those people are pathetic and have no power to impact me anyway so I don't rail against them, but if I saw one of them on fire I wouldn't bother to piss on him to put it out either. (I might even chuckle that he got to sample the hell fire).

 

My impression was that Timmo was joking (hence the reference to a George Foreman grill) and this thread got turned into a sword fight that had little to actually do with the initial points. I don't know Timmo from Adam, but he seemed articulate and polite but when challenged willing to fight back. With that said, I'd much rather give this guy a chance than someone like that clown of a troll Gatorman who everyone is feeding.

[Rob's House]

 

 

My impression was that Timmo was joking (hence the reference to a George Foreman grill) and this thread got turned into a sword fight that had little to actually do with the initial points. I don't know Timmo from Adam, but he seemed articulate and polite but when challenged willing to fight back. With that said, I'd much rather give this guy a chance than someone like that clown of a troll Gatorman who everyone is feeding.

 

I wasn't directing anything at Timmo. I was just reminded of people I once knew who took great delight in the belief that people who'd never done them wrong would suffer unspeakable torture for eternity for not getting on their holy bandwagon.

 

[3rdnlng]

I wasn't directing anything at Timmo. I was just reminded of people I once knew who took great delight in the belief that people who'd never done them wrong would suffer unspeakable torture for eternity for not getting on their holy bandwagon.

 

Glad to hear that, and it doesn't surprise me. You've always been a good guy and one of my favorite posters.

[Rob's House]

 

 

Glad to hear that, and it doesn't surprise me. You've always been a good guy and one of my favorite posters.

 

Thanks, man. I dig your style too.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3rd...i was, indeed, joking. i thought that fairly obvious, and figure mr. frenkle knew that when he responded to my initial post. it's funny to me you saw it as a sword fight...i was just looking for a little break in an otherwise stressful couple of days. i thought the OC was joking, but figured out along the line that maybe he wasn't. i couldn't let the 'we'll rough you up or run you out' thing pass without comment...he might be just that good to have drawn me in. either way, i'm ok. my Dad told me a long time ago "Never let an anonymous poster make you feel bad about your online persona".

 

rob, your choice of language was colorful and not necessarily how i would say it (i'd likely put out the fire with my urine), but i agree a zealot is a zealot. i'm good with my view of God, i respect your right to have your own views as well. In the interest of full disclosure: Penn Jillette will (probably) not burn in hell, but i do think he's sort of a dick.

[3rdnlng]

Thanks, man. I dig your style too.

 

[3rdnlng]

3rd...i was, indeed, joking. i thought that fairly obvious, and figure mr. frenkle knew that when he responded to my initial post. it's funny to me you saw it as a sword fight...i was just looking for a little break in an otherwise stressful couple of days. i thought the OC was joking, but figured out along the line that maybe he wasn't. i couldn't let the 'we'll rough you up or run you out' thing pass without comment...he might be just that good to have drawn me in. either way, i'm ok. my Dad told me a long time ago "Never let an anonymous poster make you feel bad about your online persona".

 

rob, your choice of language was colorful and not necessarily how i would say it (i'd likely put out the fire with my urine), but i agree a zealot is a zealot. i'm good with my view of God, i respect your right to have your own views as well. In the interest of full disclosure: Penn Jillette will (probably) not burn in hell, but i do think he's sort of a dick.

You need to understand, OC can make some tremendously good posts along with drivel a pig farmer doesn't want for his swine Edited August 16, 2013 by 3rdnlng