boyst Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 Wow. Edgy up in here. I mean. Make an attempt to make a point then introduce name calling and silly statements... stay classy my new friends. Because it sure is summer here.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 9, 2013 Posted August 9, 2013 You're likely correct. However, he could get 20 touches per game combining rushing attempts and receptions. You and Nanker makes some good points here. Yes, it's more about touches and snaps, and less about carries. Just having Spiller on the field more often will have a significant positive effect on the offense. For one thing he needs a few more touches. For another he's one scary-ass decoy. Oh I see, so he will fall apart over an additional 8 games. And you have what evidence for this? Spiller injured his shoulder against the Browns in week 3 and had only 23 touches over a 3 week stretch. On the play where he was injured he was probably 1-2 ft/lbs of force from having a broken collarbone. What's your evidence that he won't get injured with increased touches? AFAIC, 18 touches per game seems about right to me as far as CJ goes.
boyst Posted August 9, 2013 Posted August 9, 2013 You and Nanker makes some good points here. Yes, it's more about touches and snaps, and less about carries. Just having Spiller on the field more often will have a significant positive effect on the offense. For one thing he needs a few more touches. For another he's one scary-ass decoy. Spiller injured his shoulder against the Browns in week 3 and had only 23 touches over a 3 week stretch. On the play where he was injured he was probably 1-2 ft/lbs of force from having a broken collarbone. What's your evidence that he won't get injured with increased touches? AFAIC, 18 touches per game seems about right to me as far as CJ goes. 18 CJ?How many FJ? How many other non WR¿ FJ getting 12 seems good, with 5-6 being passes. The TE's getting 14 passes would be sweet. Other runners at 2.5 a game. I expect a reverse every so often.
ny33 Posted August 9, 2013 Posted August 9, 2013 (edited) FJ is a top-ten BACKUP running back. The idea that he, at 32 years old and coming off of a mediocre season, is a top ten back is laughable. A few players who are far better than FJ: 1) Adrian Peterson 2) Jamaal Charles 3)C.J. Spiller 4) Chris Johnson 5) Marshawn Lynch 6) Arian Foster 7) Ray Rice 8)Doug Martin 9) Alfred Morris 10)Stevan Ridley 11) Frank Gore 12)Matt Forte 13) Lesean McCoy Fred will likely be an asset this year, but, I think, many other backups will surpass him. Gio Bernard and some of the other rookies coming in this year will be better, for one, not to mention many of the very good backups like Bryce Brown and Bernard Pierce. Only a Bills fan would claim that Fred Jackson is currently a top ten back. He was an absolute stud in 2011, but, last year, fumbled, couldn't get many first downs, couldn't catch many passes well, and had a low Y.P.C.; it is ridiculous to claim that he is a top-ten back. Edited August 9, 2013 by ny33
hondo in seattle Posted August 9, 2013 Posted August 9, 2013 FJ is a top-ten BACKUP running back. The idea that he, at 32 years old and coming off of a mediocre season, is a top ten back is laughable. A few players who are far better than FJ: 1) Adrian Peterson 2) Jamaal Charles 3)C.J. Spiller 4) Chris Johnson 5) Marshawn Lynch 6) Arian Foster 7) Ray Rice 8)Doug Martin 9) Alfred Morris 10)Stevan Ridley 11) Frank Gore 12)Matt Forte 13) Lesean McCoy Fred will likely be an asset this year, but, I think, many other backups will surpass him. Gio Bernard and some of the other rookies coming in this year will be better, for one, not to mention many of the very good backups like Bryce Brown and Bernard Pierce. Only a Bills fan would claim that Fred Jackson is currently a top ten back. He was an absolute stud in 2011, but, last year, fumbled, couldn't get many first downs, couldn't catch many passes well, and had a low Y.P.C.; it is ridiculous to claim that he is a top-ten back. Looking at that list, I have to agree that Fred is a Top Ten RB - IF he returns to his previous form and doesn't perform like last year. I'm hoping he does.
microscopes Posted August 9, 2013 Posted August 9, 2013 (edited) Spiller injured his shoulder against the Browns in week 3 and had only 23 touches over a 3 week stretch. On the play where he was injured he was probably 1-2 ft/lbs of force from having a broken collarbone. What's your evidence that he won't get injured with increased touches? AFAIC, 18 touches per game seems about right to me as far as CJ goes. That's not evidence. If it was, then one could say that Tom Brady would be hurt if he threw a couple more times. Remember he got hurt against the chiefs? And that was after only a few plays! 10 more pounds of force and he could have broken his entire leg. Edited August 9, 2013 by AvengedSevenfold
ny33 Posted August 9, 2013 Posted August 9, 2013 Looking at that list, I have to agree that Fred is a Top Ten RB - IF he returns to his previous form and doesn't perform like last year. I'm hoping he does. I'm not including guys like Maurice-Jones Drew or Jonathan Stewart who have performed at a very high level in the league. Fred wasn't good last year. That is a fact. He is 32 years old and coming off of injury. Sorry, he is not, by any means, a top-ten back.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 10, 2013 Posted August 10, 2013 YPC is linear. It does not deviate because one player has less carries. You're probably wrong about this too. The number of players with high yards per carries decreases with an increase in rushes. An economist might say that this illustrates the "Law of Diminishing Returns." A statistician might say that this illustrates a "Regression to the Mean." Regardless, you're wrong. Yards per carry is not linear. Oh I see, so he will fall apart over an additional 8 games. And you have what evidence for this? Spiller injured his shoulder against the Browns in week 3 and had only 23 touches over a 3 week stretch. On the play where he was injured he was probably 1-2 ft/lbs of force from having a broken collarbone. What's your evidence that he won't get injured with increased touches? That's not evidence. If it was, then one could say that Tom Brady would be hurt if he threw a couple more times. Remember he got hurt against the chiefs? And that was after only a few plays! 10 more pounds of force and he could have broken his entire leg. It's more evidence than anything you've posted. Spiller got injured last year while posting the most touches in his career. Again, what evidence do you have that he won't get injured if his workload increases? It's a matter of opinion and my opinion is better supported than yours.
Tcali Posted August 10, 2013 Posted August 10, 2013 lynch is better than Jackson????......maybe he is equal now that Freddie is 32 and has had a few injuries. Freddie was clearly the superior runner if you put them against eachother in their primes. spiller shouldn't be getting huge numbers of carries. should he get more than under gailey?? of course. should he be on the field more? of course. did gailey waste his talent? of course.
boyst Posted August 10, 2013 Posted August 10, 2013 Wow. SBJFJFJFASD and Tcal... I would reply but this thread is incredbily hard to handle. Both "sides" seem entrenched.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 11, 2013 Author Posted August 11, 2013 Unleash the Lightning that is CJ Spiller. Will take lots of early season pressure away from EJ.
boyst Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 dust off the driving sled first. That OL today looked horrible.
microscopes Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 You're probably wrong about this too. The number of players with high yards per carries decreases with an increase in rushes. First, I haven't been wrong about anything in this thread. Two, perhaps you should read what I was responding to and you would see that what I said has nothing to do with what you are claiming. It's more evidence than anything you've posted. I don't need to prove it. You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you. Spiller got injured last year while posting the most touches in his career. And his injury was after only a few dozen runs. Not late in the season. Which further negates your point. Once again, Brady was injured a few plays into his season. Does that mean Brady is fragile, or that they should limit his playing time? Ludicrous. It's a matter of opinion and my opinion is better supported than yours. Except its not. Your support is that Spiller was injured early in a season where he received the most carries he has had. lynch is better than Jackson????......maybe he is equal now that Freddie is 32 and has had a few injuries. Freddie was clearly the superior runner if you put them against eachother in their primes. spiller shouldn't be getting huge numbers of carries. should he get more than under gailey?? of course. should he be on the field more? of course. did gailey waste his talent? of course. Lynch is in his prime right now... I see many people don't actually pay attention to anything outside of Buffalo. Lynch was an All Pro candidate last season.
Tcali Posted August 12, 2013 Posted August 12, 2013 First, I haven't been wrong about anything in this thread. Two, perhaps you should read what I was responding to and you would see that what I said has nothing to do with what you are claiming. I don't need to prove it. You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you. And his injury was after only a few dozen runs. Not late in the season. Which further negates your point. Once again, Brady was injured a few plays into his season. Does that mean Brady is fragile, or that they should limit his playing time? Ludicrous. Except its not. Your support is that Spiller was injured early in a season where he received the most carries he has had. Lynch is in his prime right now... I see many people don't actually pay attention to anything outside of Buffalo. Lynch was an All Pro candidate last season. Lynch has some great games--but he isn't a very good runner until he gets momentum past the line of scrimmage. he doesn't use his blockers that well and is not good at finding small holes to run thru at the line of scrimmage. he is a beast once past the LOS...I will admit that.Freddie was far superior to Lynch in many aspects of the game. And I still maintain that Freddie was better in his prime than Lynch is now---and that if Freddie is healthy that he is overall at least equal to Lynch now. I realize the IF he is healthy is a big IF.
microscopes Posted August 12, 2013 Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) Lynch has some great games--but he isn't a very good runner until he gets momentum past the line of scrimmage. he doesn't use his blockers that well and is not good at finding small holes to run thru at the line of scrimmage. he is a beast once past the LOS...I will admit that.Freddie was far superior to Lynch in many aspects of the game. And I still maintain that Freddie was better in his prime than Lynch is now---and that if Freddie is healthy that he is overall at least equal to Lynch now. I realize the IF he is healthy is a big IF. That is absolute nonsense and shows that you are either extremely ignorant about what happens outside of Buffalo or are purposely defiant. Lynch is not just having great games, he is having great seasons. He was an ALL PRO candidate last season. Do you know what that means? He had 1800 yards last season. That's more than Fred has had his last 2 seasons COMBINED. That's 500 yards more than Fred has had in a season in his ENTIRE CAREER. Nothing annoys me more than homers who can't admit the truth. And for what it's worth, I wanted Lynch out of Buffalo too. Edited August 12, 2013 by AvengedSevenfold
SPILLERmadeUmiss Posted August 12, 2013 Posted August 12, 2013 That is absolute nonsense and shows that you are either extremely ignorant about what happens outside of Buffalo or are purposely defiant. Lynch is not just having great games, he is having great seasons. He was an ALL PRO candidate last season. Do you know what that means? He had 1800 yards last season. That's more than Fred has had his last 2 seasons COMBINED. That's 500 yards more than Fred has had in a season in his ENTIRE CAREER. Nothing annoys me more than homers who can't admit the truth. And for what it's worth, I wanted Lynch out of Buffalo too. I am a big Fred fan, but Marshawn is a serious RB that can take the pounding. And, BTW, he does not need a police escort to the 2nd level. He breaks tackles and he's outstanding in confined space. That's just reality.
Meatloaf Sandwich Posted August 12, 2013 Posted August 12, 2013 Lynch is a beat. Their is a reason the fans feed him skittles.
microscopes Posted August 12, 2013 Posted August 12, 2013 I am a big Fred fan, but Marshawn is a serious RB that can take the pounding. And, BTW, he does not need a police escort to the 2nd level. He breaks tackles and he's outstanding in confined space. That's just reality. Bingo.
boyst Posted August 12, 2013 Posted August 12, 2013 Wow. I guess we need to cast a bust of CJ now to get ready for Canton
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 12, 2013 Posted August 12, 2013 That is absolute nonsense and shows that you are either extremely ignorant about what happens outside of Buffalo or are purposely defiant. Lynch is not just having great games, he is having great seasons. He was an ALL PRO candidate last season. Do you know what that means? He had 1800 yards last season. That's more than Fred has had his last 2 seasons COMBINED. That's 500 yards more than Fred has had in a season in his ENTIRE CAREER. Nothing annoys me more than homers who can't admit the truth. And for what it's worth, I wanted Lynch out of Buffalo too. So 85 posts in and you've changed your username? That's interesting.
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