Is Buffalo not 'hip' or 'cool' enough for pro athletes

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

 

Only somebody who thinks in terms of city size and not MSA could make the asinine argument that Buffalo traffic is worse than DC.

 

Buffalo is making huge strides - not so much from all the waterfront development, medical campus, etc. - but from the fact that you're gone.

 

Misinterpret much? That is not even close to the context of my comment on traffic. Just dispelling this myth that megapolis living = life in traffic. It's a lifestyle choice as much as it is to live in Clarence and work in Roc.

 

Didn't realize my departure had such prominent impact on the city. By all trends I see it looks like deficits, population and economic growth had tended down since my '99 departure.

[dubs]

Same here...........And as for NYC, that's what I love about it. You don't have to drive at all. Trains, cabs, etc. is all you need.

 

yup.

 

I would never say these cities are terrible or terrible places to live, but it definitely makes me question when people say in absolute terms that Buffalo is a terrible place to live. What I would agree with is that its more difficult to find a good job there. That's extremely important and a very valid reason why many people can't live there or choose not to.

 

If I were Mayor of Buffalo or the County Commissioner, my first priority would certainly be attracting new businesses there. That only comes with tax breaks or other incentives, but it's gotta happen. There is no doubt in my mind that businesses would move there if it made financial sense.

[bbb]

yup.

 

I would never say these cities are terrible or terrible places to live, but it definitely makes me question when people say in absolute terms that Buffalo is a terrible place to live. What I would agree with is that its more difficult to find a good job there. That's extremely important and a very valid reason why many people can't live there or choose not to.

 

If I were Mayor of Buffalo or the County Commissioner, my first priority would certainly be attracting new businesses there. That only comes with tax breaks or other incentives, but it's gotta happen. There is no doubt in my mind that businesses would move there if it made financial sense.

 

Almost everybody I know who no longer lives here would come back if they could get the same job here. I don't think I know anybody who has ever left because they don't like it here.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

 

Look, it's really difficult to talk about a city, any city, in absolute terms. Is Buffalo for everyone, no. If a person would like to inflate their self-worth by being able to say they live in NYC or Los Angeles, then Buffalo isn't the place for them.

 

Your point about property values doesn't make any sense and is wrong. Is Dallas a dump? You can buy a gorgeous, huge house in the Dallas suburbs for about 500k. Very similar and in some ways less expensive than Buffalo. You can' compare Buffalo real estate values to Coastal Cities. It's apples to oranges.

 

Is Buffalo a perfect place? Of course not. Just like every city there are trade offs and frankly there is a lot more the city can do to make it a better place than it is. But I think for people who want a place to raise a family surrounded by good people, a great community, good schools, affordable, and enough entertainment and things to do, it's a very good choice.

 

This is sort of my point. i think on average a coastal city is more desirable.

 

I think it's fair to consider basic economics as it applies to property. It's supply verses demand. In buffalo supply is very high, demand is respectively low, hence rock bottom prices.

 

I looked at Cost of living calc and the median home price in Dallas metro area is 24% higher than Buf.

[dubs]

This is sort of my point. i think on average a coastal city is more desirable.

 

I think it's fair to consider basic economics as it applies to property. It's supply verses demand. In buffalo supply is very high, demand is respectively low, hence rock bottom prices.

 

I looked at Cost of living calc and the median home price in Dallas metro area is 24% higher than Buf.

 

That Cost of living calculator can be misleading. To be sure, there is far more very high end homes and properties in Dallas that would increase the average. Buffalo is definitely less expensive than Dallas, but not by that much. Look at some of the suburbs around Dallas on Zillow, you'll see what I mean.

 

I am not trying to convince you to move to Buffalo or anything. It sounds like you have a great career going and you are extremely satisfied and happy. That's all that really matters. What I would say is try to avoid discussing the city in such black and white terms and try to balance some of these drawbacks with what I think most people would consider many positive attributes.

 

Overall, i agree with many of your comments that things could be improved. I hope that things continue to improve and make Buffalo an even better place to live. But it's a different animal than DC, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, etc...and I think that's what draws many people there (and conversely keeps many people from staying). I think it's a city that should be based on a balanced lifestyle and high quality of life.

Edited August 9, 2013 by dubs

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

 

yup.

 

I would never say these cities are terrible or terrible places to live, but it definitely makes me question when people say in absolute terms that Buffalo is a terrible place to live. What I would agree with is that its more difficult to find a good job there. That's extremely important and a very valid reason why many people can't live there or choose not to.

 

If I were Mayor of Buffalo or the County Commissioner, my first priority would certainly be attracting new businesses there. That only comes with tax breaks or other incentives, but it's gotta happen. There is no doubt in my mind that businesses would move there if it made financial sense.

 

Possible. The labor laws from what I understand are also prohibitive. This sentiment is really at the root of my o'pining. The complacent rank and file over generations has let the place sort of die and it's sad.

 

My parents bought a house in Williamsville in 1974 and it has appreciated less than inflation since then. Which means in real dollars it actually became less valuable.

 

It's not fair to them while many in that time have seen almost twice the growth because of an areas economic success the leadership in the city and the county has watched the economy there wither and die.

 

That Cost of living calculator can be misleading. To be sure, there is far more very high end homes and properties in Dallas that would increase the average. Buffalo is definitely less expensive than Dallas, but not by that much. Look at some of the suburbs around Dallas on Zillow, you'll see what I mean.

 

I am not trying to convince you to move to Buffalo or anything. It sounds like you have a great career going and you are extremely satisfied and happy. That's all that really matters. What I would say is try to avoid discussing the city in such black and white terms and try to balance some of these drawbacks with what I think most people would consider many positive attributes.

 

Overall, i agree with many of your comments that things could be improved. I hope that things continue to improve and make Buffalo an even better place to live. But it's a different animal than DC, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, etc...and I think that's what draws many people there (and conversely keeps many people from staying). I think it's a city that should be based on a balanced lifestyle and high quality of life.

 

Btw while I looked their metro area population grew 23% last year. Big D is booming! I guess they have quite a ways to sprawl as well.

Edited August 9, 2013 by over 20 years of fanhood

[dubs]

Possible. The labor laws from what I understand are also prohibitive. This sentiment is really at the root of my o'pining. The complacent rank and file over generations has let the place sort of die and it's sad.

 

My parents bought a house in Williamsville in 1974 and it has appreciated less than inflation since then. Which means in real dollars it actually became less valuable.

 

It's not fair to them while many in that time have seen almost twice the growth because of an areas economic success the leadership in the city and the county has watched the economy there wither and die.

 

I am not familiar with the labor situation, but that sounds about right from what I've observed. Put that in the category of what needs to change. I hope some ambitious and thoughtful leaders can come in and change the city. Maybe we can trade Scott Walker for Byron Brown and future considerations...

[bbb]

Possible. The labor laws from what I understand are also prohibitive. This sentiment is really at the root of my o'pining. The complacent rank and file over generations has let the place sort of die and it's sad.

 

My parents bought a house in Williamsville in 1974 and it has appreciated less than inflation since then. Which means in real dollars it actually became less valuable.

 

It's not fair to them while many in that time have seen almost twice the growth because of an areas economic success the leadership in the city and the county has watched the economy there wither and die.

 

Btw while I looked their metro area population grew 23% last year. Big D is booming! I guess they have quite a ways to sprawl as well.

 

Wait - now you're using metro areas?

[B-Large]

Football is a business, these men are professional business men so to speak. They want two things, to win and to be paid for the elite skill set.

 

Buffalo is the least winning franchise is recent history, its pathetic.... If Buffalo Bills were New England Patriots the past 10 years, the cold weather and city would not make any difference...

 

Buffalo football suffers from adrift footbal management, coaching and ownership....

[mrags]

Is Buffalo a perfect place? Of course not. Just like every city there are trade offs and frankly there is a lot more the city can do to make it a better place than it is. But I think for people who want a place to raise a family surrounded by good people, a great community, good schools, affordable, and enough entertainment and things to do, it's a very good choice.

very well said. One of the main reasons why I moved back from Vegas. Could I find a good, wholesome woman in Vegas? Not impossible but many of them there are not there for family am settling down. Even if I did find the woman I want to settle down with an have a family with, Vegas isn't a good place to do it.

 

I haven't lived in NYC but I have friends that did. My sister and her family live in Manhattan. There's no family feel there IMO. There's definitely no chance in having friends and family over to enjoy the outdoors on weekends. Games in the backyard, grilling up burgers and dogs, enjoying the clean air under a patio tent. You have to go to The Hamptons for that. You can probably do that in areas just outside the city like Staten Island and surrounding areas but it all falls on how much money you have to afford that.

 

My 1,700 square foot house with a decent sized backyard that I paid $79,000 for would have ran over $300k in Vegas at the time when I lived there (trust me, I was looking). $300k here in the apt rounding areas of Buffalo can get you over 2,500sf and over an acre.

 

 

It all depends on what a person wants. I would never raise a family in a place like NYC or Vegas. Hell, even these pro sports athletes think about this as their lives change in time.

[mrags]

 

 

Fair. I live in Maryland.

 

Lived in williamsville from birth '76 to '94 and the off and on til '99.

 

Visit buf 1-2 times per year in aggregate 1.5 to 2 weeks per year since 99 and still have close family there.

 

Typically go to waterfront, Chippewa or hang around Getzville/Williamsville when there.

 

My reason for leaving wasn't anyone of the three I hear from others. I simply knew there was a bigger better world out there and wanted to be part of it.

 

I've lived in South Carolina, Europe and Maryland since, have a great career going as an exec for world class organization.

 

None of which would have likely, I believe, occurred in Buffalo.

 

I'm disappointed at what Buffalo has become vs what it could be. If Buffalonians want to keep the team there, they need to take a hard look in the mirror and throw the bums out, move into the city and revitalize it and start turning the trajectory back.

very similar to my sisters story. She lives Buffalo but always water more. She still misses home all the time but would most likely never move back here.

 

For you and my sister, what you want in life and what you have received is probably for you. I can't say or not weather you have a family or don't but chances are that if you have children you have more opportunities for them because of your high position at work. Likely, you live in a very nice area in MD like Annapolis and not downtown Baltimore. Chances are you have more opportunities in those areas because of your money and position than downtown Baltimore. Chances are you pay more for your home in MD than some of the nicest suburbs in Buffalo like Williamsville, Amherst, and Clarence. The points you bring up about downtown areas where you live or have been most likely don't even apply because you raise your family far from that environment. If you do, then more power to you. Personally, I think the way people are raised in the suburbs vs the city are not even arguable. Which is why 70% of the prison population in NY is from NYC. It's a different kind of life.

 

I'm rambling at this point. You clearly wanted something offer an better. That works for you. I can't argue that point. But I can argue that just because you have family and friends in Buffalo (that most likely are similar to you but just never made it out) but are miserable here probably aren't the best people to listen to about what the city is doing.

 

Is Buffalo NYC? Chi? Balt? Mia? Of course not. Is it what it once was? Of course not. But it is getting better. Anyone that lives here and loves this city knows that. There are many more things to do in the summertime than ever before. There most certainly is a lot of good work going on downtown in the Inner Harbor area. Multiple hotels being built. Pegula turning the Inner Harbor into a hot spot in the city. As I stated in the past that some of the old grain mills are breaking ground to turn them into hotels, bars, restaurants and shopping. The old freight house along the Buffalo River will be turned into Townhomes and Condos. That's progress. How much is arguable. But it is progress regardless. Things really are turning around down by the arena. Some of that may be thanks to Pegula. Ill take it if it is. I'm not even a Sabres fan but love what is happening down there. Some will point out that the Mills should be used for what they were built for. That's obvious, but they aren't anymore and that's the fact. But things are in the works to transform them to become usable going forward.

 

Some will point out that the population in the city of Buffalo is dwindling. But fail to point out that the population of the very near surrounding suburbs are rising. Places like Williamsville, Amherst, Clarence have done very well. They are within 20 minutes of downtown Buffalo and there is plenty of money in those areas. Hell, most of the Sabres live in these areas. I remember a girl I dated in high school lived right down the street from Lindy and across the street from Lafontaine. I used to ride my bike daily through the neighborhood where Dominik Hasek used to live.

 

Of course many of the Bills live in or around OP and Hamburg, because its so close for them to work everyday. But the Sabres work downtown, I am willing to bet that less than 5 of them actually live in the city. They prefer the suburbs. I would bet that most athletes do. At least the ones that are just a few years in. Of course maybe the early 20s guys want their high rise penthouses, but that probably doesn't last long after they get married and try to raise a family. Jim Kelly learned this whole he was here. Many other players do as well.

 

Is all this arguable? Sure. Can you find bigger and better restaurants and bars in other places? Of course. But you can have all that here in Buffalo. Of course certain places have different things to do but I'd add that other places don't have things Buffalo has to offer. It's like this everywhere. Certain opportunities are better for different people. You for example wanted big city life and to become an Exec. For a big company. Buffalo has that, of course not as many as somewhere like Baltimore or NYC but it is possible. I know plenty of friends that are Directors, Managers, Field Reps that live in or around Buffalo. Many of them make over $120k a year. I'd bet that $120 a year is worth more here in Buffalo (despite the taxes) than what you make in MD.

 

In the end, I'm happy I live here and moved back. I'm sure your happy in MD. But please, don't think for 1 minute that you really have factual knowledge of what's going on in the areas because you spend 3 weeks a year here or talk to your friends and family that you already stated are miserable here.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

very similar to my sisters story. She lives Buffalo but always water more. She still misses home all the time but would most likely never move back here.

 

For you and my sister, what you want in life and what you have received is probably for you. I can't say or not weather you have a family or don't but chances are that if you have children you have more opportunities for them because of your high position at work. Likely, you live in a very nice area in MD like Annapolis and not downtown Baltimore. Chances are you have more opportunities in those areas because of your money and position than downtown Baltimore. Chances are you pay more for your home in MD than some of the nicest suburbs in Buffalo like Williamsville, Amherst, and Clarence. The points you bring up about downtown areas where you live or have been most likely don't even apply because you raise your family far from that environment. If you do, then more power to you. Personally, I think the way people are raised in the suburbs vs the city are not even arguable. Which is why 70% of the prison population in NY is from NYC. It's a different kind of life.

 

I'm rambling at this point. You clearly wanted something offer an better. That works for you. I can't argue that point. But I can argue that just because you have family and friends in Buffalo (that most likely are similar to you but just never made it out) but are miserable here probably aren't the best people to listen to about what the city is doing.

 

Is Buffalo NYC? Chi? Balt? Mia? Of course not. Is it what it once was? Of course not. But it is getting better. Anyone that lives here and loves this city knows that. There are many more things to do in the summertime than ever before. There most certainly is a lot of good work going on downtown in the Inner Harbor area. Multiple hotels being built. Pegula turning the Inner Harbor into a hot spot in the city. As I stated in the past that some of the old grain mills are breaking ground to turn them into hotels, bars, restaurants and shopping. The old freight house along the Buffalo River will be turned into Townhomes and Condos. That's progress. How much is arguable. But it is progress regardless. Things really are turning around down by the arena. Some of that may be thanks to Pegula. Ill take it if it is. I'm not even a Sabres fan but love what is happening down there. Some will point out that the Mills should be used for what they were built for. That's obvious, but they aren't anymore and that's the fact. But things are in the works to transform them to become usable going forward.

 

Some will point out that the population in the city of Buffalo is dwindling. But fail to point out that the population of the very near surrounding suburbs are rising. Places like Williamsville, Amherst, Clarence have done very well. They are within 20 minutes of downtown Buffalo and there is plenty of money in those areas. Hell, most of the Sabres live in these areas. I remember a girl I dated in high school lived right down the street from Lindy and across the street from Lafontaine. I used to ride my bike daily through the neighborhood where Dominik Hasek used to live.

 

Of course many of the Bills live in or around OP and Hamburg, because its so close for them to work everyday. But the Sabres work downtown, I am willing to bet that less than 5 of them actually live in the city. They prefer the suburbs. I would bet that most athletes do. At least the ones that are just a few years in. Of course maybe the early 20s guys want their high rise penthouses, but that probably doesn't last long after they get married and try to raise a family. Jim Kelly learned this whole he was here. Many other players do as well.

 

Is all this arguable? Sure. Can you find bigger and better restaurants and bars in other places? Of course. But you can have all that here in Buffalo. Of course certain places have different things to do but I'd add that other places don't have things Buffalo has to offer. It's like this everywhere. Certain opportunities are better for different people. You for example wanted big city life and to become an Exec. For a big company. Buffalo has that, of course not as many as somewhere like Baltimore or NYC but it is possible. I know plenty of friends that are Directors, Managers, Field Reps that live in or around Buffalo. Many of them make over $120k a year. I'd bet that $120 a year is worth more here in Buffalo (despite the taxes) than what you make in MD.

 

In the end, I'm happy I live here and moved back. I'm sure your happy in MD. But please, don't think for 1 minute that you really have factual knowledge of what's going on in the areas because you spend 3 weeks a year here or talk to your friends and family that you already stated are miserable here.

 

Well I am glad to hear the perspective that things are turning around. Hope you're right.

 

Regarding MD, I absolutely love seeing sunlight in the writer time! Who knew??

 

The bonus for those Bills players is they are long gone by the time the peak of winter settles in.

[papazoid]

winter is coming

[ny33]

very similar to my sisters story. She lives Buffalo but always water more. She still misses home all the time but would most likely never move back here.

 

For you and my sister, what you want in life and what you have received is probably for you. I can't say or not weather you have a family or don't but chances are that if you have children you have more opportunities for them because of your high position at work. Likely, you live in a very nice area in MD like Annapolis and not downtown Baltimore. Chances are you have more opportunities in those areas because of your money and position than downtown Baltimore. Chances are you pay more for your home in MD than some of the nicest suburbs in Buffalo like Williamsville, Amherst, and Clarence. The points you bring up about downtown areas where you live or have been most likely don't even apply because you raise your family far from that environment. If you do, then more power to you. Personally, I think the way people are raised in the suburbs vs the city are not even arguable. Which is why 70% of the prison population in NY is from NYC. It's a different kind of life.

 

I'm rambling at this point. You clearly wanted something offer an better. That works for you. I can't argue that point. But I can argue that just because you have family and friends in Buffalo (that most likely are similar to you but just never made it out) but are miserable here probably aren't the best people to listen to about what the city is doing.

 

Is Buffalo NYC? Chi? Balt? Mia? Of course not. Is it what it once was? Of course not. But it is getting better. Anyone that lives here and loves this city knows that. There are many more things to do in the summertime than ever before. There most certainly is a lot of good work going on downtown in the Inner Harbor area. Multiple hotels being built. Pegula turning the Inner Harbor into a hot spot in the city. As I stated in the past that some of the old grain mills are breaking ground to turn them into hotels, bars, restaurants and shopping. The old freight house along the Buffalo River will be turned into Townhomes and Condos. That's progress. How much is arguable. But it is progress regardless. Things really are turning around down by the arena. Some of that may be thanks to Pegula. Ill take it if it is. I'm not even a Sabres fan but love what is happening down there. Some will point out that the Mills should be used for what they were built for. That's obvious, but they aren't anymore and that's the fact. But things are in the works to transform them to become usable going forward.

 

Some will point out that the population in the city of Buffalo is dwindling. But fail to point out that the population of the very near surrounding suburbs are rising. Places like Williamsville, Amherst, Clarence have done very well. They are within 20 minutes of downtown Buffalo and there is plenty of money in those areas. Hell, most of the Sabres live in these areas. I remember a girl I dated in high school lived right down the street from Lindy and across the street from Lafontaine. I used to ride my bike daily through the neighborhood where Dominik Hasek used to live.

 

Of course many of the Bills live in or around OP and Hamburg, because its so close for them to work everyday. But the Sabres work downtown, I am willing to bet that less than 5 of them actually live in the city. They prefer the suburbs. I would bet that most athletes do. At least the ones that are just a few years in. Of course maybe the early 20s guys want their high rise penthouses, but that probably doesn't last long after they get married and try to raise a family. Jim Kelly learned this whole he was here. Many other players do as well.

 

Is all this arguable? Sure. Can you find bigger and better restaurants and bars in other places? Of course. But you can have all that here in Buffalo. Of course certain places have different things to do but I'd add that other places don't have things Buffalo has to offer. It's like this everywhere. Certain opportunities are better for different people. You for example wanted big city life and to become an Exec. For a big company. Buffalo has that, of course not as many as somewhere like Baltimore or NYC but it is possible. I know plenty of friends that are Directors, Managers, Field Reps that live in or around Buffalo. Many of them make over $120k a year. I'd bet that $120 a year is worth more here in Buffalo (despite the taxes) than what you make in MD.

 

In the end, I'm happy I live here and moved back. I'm sure your happy in MD. But please, don't think for 1 minute that you really have factual knowledge of what's going on in the areas because you spend 3 weeks a year here or talk to your friends and family that you already stated are miserable here.

very well said. One of the main reasons why I moved back from Vegas. Could I find a good, wholesome woman in Vegas? Not impossible but many of them there are not there for family am settling down. Even if I did find the woman I want to settle down with an have a family with, Vegas isn't a good place to do it.

 

I haven't lived in NYC but I have friends that did. My sister and her family live in Manhattan. There's no family feel there IMO. There's definitely no chance in having friends and family over to enjoy the outdoors on weekends. Games in the backyard, grilling up burgers and dogs, enjoying the clean air under a patio tent. You have to go to The Hamptons for that. You can probably do that in areas just outside the city like Staten Island and surrounding areas but it all falls on how much money you have to afford that.

 

My 1,700 square foot house with a decent sized backyard that I paid $79,000 for would have ran over $300k in Vegas at the time when I lived there (trust me, I was looking). $300k here in the apt rounding areas of Buffalo can get you over 2,500sf and over an acre.

 

 

It all depends on what a person wants. I would never raise a family in a place like NYC or Vegas. Hell, even these pro sports athletes think about this as their lives change in time.

 

Dude, that's just patently false about the tri-state area. Northern N.J., Westchester County, Nassau County, and Fairfield County are all locations with plenty of people from various backgrounds who live within 30-50 minutes of Manhattan. Many athletes who choose not to live in an urban area live in the many well-off parts of these areas; there is obviously a need for a service economy, and there are plenty of relatively affordable homes in the area.

 

The "Hamptons" are a vacation area on the end of Long Island where people who can afford it go out to on weekends or during the summer. There are plenty of places, including many affordable areas of Long Island, N.J., and Connecticut with affordable beach towns- the Hamptons are not one of them. Either way, there are plenty of options for people, including NFL athletes, to live and never have to enter Manhattan. Bergen County has some of the wealthiest towns in the country, like Alpine and Tenafly, where plenty of professional athletes live; one could reach MetLife Stadium in 30 minutes from a large suburban estate.

 

I'm not disputing that Buffalo is a good option for the average person to enjoy a mix of an urban-suburban lifestyle at an affordable price, but the fact is that the tri-state area has an abundance of such options for people of all income brackets.

[dubs]

Well I am glad to hear the perspective that things are turning around. Hope you're right.

 

Regarding MD, I absolutely love seeing sunlight in the writer time! Who knew??

 

The bonus for those Bills players is they are long gone by the time the peak of winter settles in.

 

You forgot to sign your post as

 

Managing Director of Smug, Inc.

[mrags]

 

 

Well I am glad to hear the perspective that things are turning around. Hope you're right.

 

Regarding MD, I absolutely love seeing sunlight in the writer time! Who knew??

 

The bonus for those Bills players is they are long gone by the time the peak of winter settles in.

well. Glad you enjoy it. Some people hear enjoy this thing called snow quite often. They go snowmobiling, skiing, snowboarding, sledding. And hey, it's even sunny in the winter sometimes.

 

Yes, I believe things are turning around. It'll never be NYC, or Balt. but it's home and its getting better.

[mrags]

 

 

Dude, that's just patently false about the tri-state area. Northern N.J., Westchester County, Nassau County, and Fairfield County are all locations with plenty of people from various backgrounds who live within 30-50 minutes of Manhattan. Many athletes who choose not to live in an urban area live in the many well-off parts of these areas; there is obviously a need for a service economy, and there are plenty of relatively affordable homes in the area.

 

The "Hamptons" are a vacation area on the end of Long Island where people who can afford it go out to on weekends or during the summer. There are plenty of places, including many affordable areas of Long Island, N.J., and Connecticut with affordable beach towns- the Hamptons are not one of them. Either way, there are plenty of options for people, including NFL athletes, to live and never have to enter Manhattan. Bergen County has some of the wealthiest towns in the country, like Alpine and Tenafly, where plenty of professional athletes live; one could reach MetLife Stadium in 30 minutes from a large suburban estate.

 

I'm not disputing that Buffalo is a good option for the average person to enjoy a mix of an urban-suburban lifestyle at an affordable price, but the fact is that the tri-state area has an abundance of such options for people of all income brackets.

well, when I typed that I was talking about being within 30 minutes of the city. I'm going to guess that traffic on any of the bridges, or tunnels alone wouldn't allow that.

 

I looked up Alpine. Seems extremely overpriced. Very nice, but I can't imagine paying that much money for a home. Sure, I'm not a millionaire athlete. That might be the point of this thread to begin with hit it has changed from that to a generalization that Buffalo or its surrounding areas are not nice. You could have the nicest home in Spaulding Lake, Clarence, NY for less than just your average home in Alpine. But that's besides the point. The point is that people that don't make millions every year can afford a very nice home here, within 30 minutes of the city.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

well. Glad you enjoy it. Some people hear enjoy this thing called snow quite often. They go snowmobiling, skiing, snowboarding, sledding. And hey, it's even sunny in the winter sometimes.

 

Yes, I believe things are turning around. It'll never be NYC, or Balt. but it's home and its getting better.

 

Cool. Just please don't call holiday valley or kissing bridge skiing. =)

 

well, when I typed that I was talking about being within 30 minutes of the city. I'm going to guess that traffic on any of the bridges, or tunnels alone wouldn't allow that.

 

I looked up Alpine. Seems extremely overpriced. Very nice, but I can't imagine paying that much money for a home. Sure, I'm not a millionaire athlete. That might be the point of this thread to begin with hit it has changed from that to a generalization that Buffalo or its surrounding areas are not nice. You could have the nicest home in Spaulding Lake, Clarence, NY for less than just your average home in Alpine. But that's besides the point. The point is that people that don't make millions every year can afford a very nice home here, within 30 minutes of the city.

absolutely. Plus in living there you get paid a premium over those doing it in a LCoL place. Ultimately when translated into property and equity. You are going to win the long game!

[ny33]

well, when I typed that I was talking about being within 30 minutes of the city. I'm going to guess that traffic on any of the bridges, or tunnels alone wouldn't allow that.

 

I looked up Alpine. Seems extremely overpriced. Very nice, but I can't imagine paying that much money for a home. Sure, I'm not a millionaire athlete. That might be the point of this thread to begin with hit it has changed from that to a generalization that Buffalo or its surrounding areas are not nice. You could have the nicest home in Spaulding Lake, Clarence, NY for less than just your average home in Alpine. But that's besides the point. The point is that people that don't make millions every year can afford a very nice home here, within 30 minutes of the city.

 

The closest part of the "Hamptons"- West Hampton- is at least an hour away, without traffic, from the city. I was citing Alpine as an example for athletes. There are, of course, plenty of other places in Bergen County/elsewhere in the tri-state area that are affordable and thirty minutes from the city. Teaneck, River Edge, etc.. I could go on, but the point is that every housing option and price point in Buffalo is available in the tri-state area. That's not a knock on Buffalo, but you seem to be convinced that decent, affordable suburban property in the NY metro area is inaccessible to an average-income person; that's not the case.

[mrags]

 

 

The closest part of the "Hamptons"- West Hampton- is at least an hour away, without traffic, from the city. I was citing Alpine as an example for athletes. There are, of course, plenty of other places in Bergen County/elsewhere in the tri-state area that are affordable and thirty minutes from the city. Teaneck, River Edge, etc.. I could go on, but the point is that every housing option and price point in Buffalo is available in the tri-state area. That's not a knock on Buffalo, but you seem to be convinced that decent, affordable suburban property in the NY metro area is inaccessible to an average-income person; that's not the case.

i know what you meant by the Hamptons. I've been there. I have family that has "weekend housing" there.

 

I read what you meant about Bergen. Looked up Teaneck and Found mostly 300k housing with houses that frankly you can get for 100k or even less in the western NY area within 30 minutes from downtown. Of course downtown Buffalo isn't NYC. I get that.

 

It is what it is. Now were arguing about the suburbs of these places when the original argument was about the city itself. Again, I don't think in 1 million years your making it into Manhattan from Jersey in less than 30 minutes unless your taking public transportation (bus, train). But hey, I enjoy my car and not having to pay $500/month extra for parking.

 

I get it man. Your cool. You live in the Tri-State area. Awesome. Glad you enjoy it.

 

 

 

Cool. Just please don't call holiday valley or kissing bridge skiing. =)

Do people even lnow what skiing is in MD? I remember I visited a friend in Annapolis years ago during Xmas. It snowed about 1 inch of dusting and the whole town shut down for about 2 days.