TC in St. Louis Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 It hit me like a sack of bowling balls.....the reason we have tanked for so long is that we have not hired a good coach in years. We have talent on this squad. We can win with a good coach. Chan Gailey was an old guy who tried to do too much, and ended up accomplishing very little. This is a common problem when head coaches try to be coordinators. They lose the overall focus on the team. Where is he now? Unemployed. Jauron? Had all the enthusiasm of Joe Friday. Pleasant, ineffective. Sucked. Greggo? Psycho. Maybe the reason we've sucked for so long is that we have not had a good coach since Wade left. Maybe this guy Marrone who revived a horrible Syracuse team....maybe this is exactly where he is supposed to be, and he will finally bring success to the Buffalo Bills. He expects to win. That is a good thing.
Dorkington Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 I'm of the opinion that it's both columns. We've had crappy coaches. And we have had (and probably still have) a relatively weak roster. We have a few studs, don't get me wrong, but we miss good/solid players at a few starting positions and in depth.
The Big Cat Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 I'm of the opinion that it's both columns. We've had crappy coaches. And we have had (and probably still have) a relatively weak roster. We have a few studs, don't get me wrong, but we miss good/solid players at a few starting positions and in depth. The talent during the Jauron years was an absolute abomination. Jauron could have won with last year's squad.
Rubes Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 Horrible drafting, particularly in the first round, surely didn't help.
hondo in seattle Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 Like some others, I think it's a combination. Jauron had Perry Fewell as his DC and Bobby April for ST. The defense and special teams did not have bad coaching. They just didn't have enough good players. The offense, however, lacked both a good QB and good OC. "Psycho" Greggo might have been a wacko but he'd still be a DC somewhere, if not a head coach, if not for the Saints scandal. Wanny, on the other hand, deserves to be out of the NFL, not due to rules violations but because of basic ineptitude. But with Chan as the de facto OC, the offense wasn't terrible despite Fitz for a QB. With both coaches and players, we've been hit or miss. And judging by our won-less record, it's been more miss. Hopefully Whaley-Marrone turns out to be a winning combination.
The Big Cat Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 Like some others, I think it's a combination. Jauron had Perry Fewell as his DC and Bobby April for ST. The defense and special teams did not have bad coaching. They just didn't have enough good players. The offense, however, lacked both a good QB and good OC. "Psycho" Greggo might have been a wacko but he'd still be a DC somewhere, if not a head coach, if not for the Saints scandal. Wanny, on the other hand, deserves to be out of the NFL, not due to rules violations but because of basic ineptitude. But with Chan as the de facto OC, the offense wasn't terrible despite Fitz for a QB. With both coaches and players, we've been hit or miss. And judging by our won-less record, it's been more miss. Hopefully Whaley-Marrone turns out to be a winning combination. Long story short: we haven't had coaches good enough to overcome our lack of player talent...and visa versa.
TC in St. Louis Posted July 30, 2013 Author Posted July 30, 2013 Greggo is a DC at Tennessee. He just overnighted an autographed super bowl hat to the guy here who sold him a Tahoe.
Homey D. Clown Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 I'm going to disagree on Chan, sort of. If he had even the slightest amount of defense played during his tenure, and a fractionally better QB, he's probably STILL your head coach going into this year. You'd be unemployed too if you were handed the keys to 2 1985 AMC Pacers to pick from as your QBs when your division features one screaming red Lamborghini that throttles you twice a year, almost without the need to even look at game film. Ohh they used to pretend in the media to "prepare" for the Bills, but in reality, they were really out playing Bingo with the Kiwanis club all week. I could even toss in a receiver or two, but we all know they way Chan handled CJ ultimately was the popular scape goat reason he was publicly dismissed, along with some honestly bad game time decisions.
K-9 Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 Our coaches have been Rockne, Shula, Landry, and Belicheck all rolled into one compared to the dearth of QB talent we've had. That is BY FAR the single greatest contributor to our lack of success. GO BILLS!!!
Ronin Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) Maybe the reason we've sucked for so long is that we have not had a good coach since Wade left. Maybe this guy Marrone who revived a horrible Syracuse team....maybe this is exactly where he is supposed to be, and he will finally bring success to the Buffalo Bills. He expects to win. That is a good thing. This whole thing about "reviving a Syracuse team" is massively overrated. Did those claiming that think that just maybe Greg Robinson was one of the worst coaches that SU ever had? Marrone wasn't better than Pasqualoni or MacPherson, not that either was anything close to Nick Saban, just sayin'. Since when does going .500 w/ two very minor bowl appearances featuring two of four losing seasons and only marginally winning ones after that with most wins primarily against nothing teams, particularly in the bowl games, and pretty much completely insignificant ones in their inaugural and third years, while playing in one of the least competitive football conferences in the FBS qualify as "reviving" anything? I'm not saying that Marrone's going to fail, but the odds are against him being this great coach that we all want. Right now his future is directly tied to Manuel. If Kolb starts the season then next year will end up being the rebuilding season that this season should be. But this talk about the future being now and winning now makes me think he's in over his head too. This team isn't going anywhere with Kolb at QB. There's not an objective fan in this forum that thinks that this team can even be .500 much less make the playoffs. Any talk of such merely indicates that either it's all made-for-media hot air or that he simply doesn't know what he's talking about. Time will tell, no need for us to predict what will happen, and we surely can't do anything about it, but this same level of enthusiasm existed for all of the aforementioned coaches except for Gailey although it was still positive there initially. If Manuel isn't starting soon this year then Marrone's shot himself in the foot. Even if Manuel does start, he's going to have to prove that he's good. If they have to draft another QB in '15 then Marrone's likely going to be finished on this team. This also precludes Wilson passing and Marrone making the cut of the new GM and owner but that's a different matter altogether and assumes that the team won't move too. Horrible drafting, particularly in the first round, surely didn't help. Another great point. Whaley's been the #2 guy all along right behind Nix and now in his fourth season, so why has he gotten a pass from everyone in that way? Everyone talks about his big accolades in Pittsburgh when he was even more of an assistant, yet here over the last four seasons with more power and influence all of a sudden none of the bad decisions he had anything to do with. Whatever Edited July 30, 2013 by TaskersGhost
....lybob Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 Ralph just wants a competitive team which is like shooting for a C then when they miss the mark with a C- or D+ they wonder what happened - other teams are shooting for a A+ (Superbowl) and when they miss the mark with a B+ they still make the Playoffs.
eball Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 @TaskersGhost -- if anything, the job Marrone did at 'Cuse is underrated.
daryls61 Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 I am liking Marrone so far. Seems like he has a solid presence about him unlike Chan and Jauron.
TC in St. Louis Posted July 30, 2013 Author Posted July 30, 2013 Chan was three bad calls from having a 9-7 team. And we know he'd still be here, along with Buddy and Fitz. So his poor playcalling cost him the job, and changed the future for the team. I was a little miffed when Marrone was first hired, but then I heard the normally negative pundits saying this was a great hire. And since then he has shown great leadership. I hope he was the right guy. I agree with the poster who wondered why we gave Whaley a free pass on those poor drafts. But I guess ultimately the choices and decisions were made by Butty Nix. Marrone seems to have chosen good coordinators.
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 What about Mularkey? He was the closest to bringing the team to a playoff birth if it wasn't for the lug Bledsoe screwing up the coin toss and losing against a Pitt's scrubs!
dascottbills28 Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 It doesnt matter if Vince Lombardi was our coach during the past 10-15 years, we havent had a qb worth a damn. Unless you have the Ravens 2000 defense, which we never came close to having, then you need a good qb to win in this league....
ganesh Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 It doesnt matter if Vince Lombardi was our coach during the past 10-15 years, we havent had a qb worth a damn. Unless you have the Ravens 2000 defense, which we never came close to having, then you need a good qb to win in this league.... Bledsoe was good enough to win with, especially with a good OC that we had. Our defense was horrible. The mistake Mularkey made was in retaining Greggo's defensive coordinator. If he could have convinced Dick LeBeau to stay, I think that team makes the playoffs, irrespective of the result against the Steelers in the season finale.
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 Honestly, if you had Jauron as DC and Gailey as OC, that is the foundation of a good coaching staff. They both got the most out of their talent a lot of the times. Still, the bottom line is it is all about the QB. See Belichick's record before Brady. Both coaches failed to get that qb & as result got rightfully fired. If Manuel is the guy, Whaley is a better GM & Marrone will be a successful coach.
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