Mark Anderson released.

[GA BILLS FAN]

Sources said Bills were quietly trying to trade Anderson, with no takers since last OTA -- this is a scheme/performance move -- cap hit is actually worse --- I think it says a lot about new regime that performance matters --- it also says Bills are a lot more comfortable with the new pieces -- Hughes, Lawson -- I also think they wanted DE with more versatility --

[K-9]

so whats normal turnover for a roster that has switched schemes so many times?

 

heck, what is normal across the league during that stretch? without anything to compare to its a pretty worthless stat.

 

I'm willing to stake my shady reputation on the fact that Nix's "batting average" is much like that all over the league, including draft picks and FAs.

 

Nobody comes close to batting .1000, let alone reach it.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[transient]

Nobody comes close to batting .1000, let alone reach it.

 

You may want to raise your standards, or check your decimal. Batting "one hundred" sucks.

[Ted William's frozen head]

Per text

Addition by subtraction.

[uncle flap]

Given the timing, I have to assume his knee still isn't healthy. Which isn't a good sign.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet1h

On #Bills & Mark Anderson: I'm told he passed his physical, then was cut. We'll see how it's listed. Knee believed to be good enough to play

 

First thought I had. Did he participate in the OTAs?

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

Yes he did. http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2013/05/15/anderson-glad-to-be-back-practicing/

 

C) This had NOTHING to do with money, in fact, from what I understand, this costs them actually $500k more than if they just kept him.

 

I agree his cut wasn't motivated by money, but don't discount the fact that they can absorb his dead money this year (instead of prorating it over the next three).

 

Every penny is gonna help next year when they are going to be up against the cap with a TON of contracts expiring.

[eball]

Nix decided to sign 17 players during his tenure. 10 are no longer on the roster and departed before their contract was up, meaning his hit rate was about 40%. That's a far cry from the batting 1.000 you mentioned, but still well above the .333 winning percentage his teams recorded. And if Brad Smith and Lindell are cut, well, then we're back to about a one-third hit rate.

 

You've yet to answer my question from the other thread about how many homegrown stars Nix failed to retain, aside from Poz and Levitre. But by all means, keep pretending nothing has changed and continue your crusade.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2

[jahnyc]

I think we need to be careful about our assessments of the potential contributions of Hughes and Lawson. Indy did not want Hughes and he has underperformed as a first round pick. Lawson was a part time player last year for the Bengals. Hopefully, they will produce for the Bills, but we should be realistic about the chances of both being quality players for the Bills.

 

I am more excited about seeing more of Carrington. He seemed to make strides last year and he made some plays. Maybe he will blossom this year.

[Best Player Available]

 

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet1h

On #Bills & Mark Anderson: I'm told he passed his physical, then was cut. We'll see how it's listed. Knee believed to be good enough to play

 

 

 

Yes he did. http://blogs.buffalo...ack-practicing/

 

 

 

I agree his cut wasn't motivated by money, but don't discount the fact that they can absorb his dead money this year (instead of prorating it over the next three).

 

Every penny is gonna help next year when they are going to be up against the cap with a TON of contracts expiring.

I know I'm pissing in your kool-aid here. But please explain how the Bills will be "up against the cap with a TON of contracts expiring"? Do they have a bunch of All-Stars were not aware of?

 

Aren't those types of problems usually reserved for perennial play off/super bowl contenders. How do the lowly Bills get "up against the cap"? besides overpaying for DE's?

[Dorkington]

LOL at the posts in this thread...A) This is not that big of a surprise, he wasn't signed by this regime for this scheme...he was signed under the old regime to fit what they hoped to do. B) Why bring him to camp and take reps away from guys they can see playing his spot like Hughes and Carrington. C) This had NOTHING to do with money, in fact, from what I understand, this costs them actually $500k more than if they just kept him. D) People piling on Buddy over this seem to forget that the GM goes after the people the staff wants and for their scheme. At the time he was signed, it seemed to make a lot of sense.

 

This whole board was going ape sh*t about how bad they wanted Albert Haynesworth and how cheap the Bills are for not going after him that year he was a FA and Washington signed him to a huge contract...those same fans mocked the Redskins later for signing him when Albert didnt pan out there as if they knew all along lmao. Just like when we signed Mark Anderson, it appeared to be a good signing at the time and good value, he just didn't work out due to injury last year and now we have a new scheme and new regime that wants a different type of player. Buddy did his job at the time, and when we signed him it was vastly agreed here to be a solid signing and a good move by the FO.

 

Truth is, the vast majority of the people here might as well be clowning themselves too because most of you liked the original signing too.

 

Bottom line, I think this D is more talented than people think and that Pettine has a plan and a style to utilize those talents finally and guys like Carrington, Bardham, and Hughes could prove to be real factors playing along side Dareus, Mario, Kyle, Kiko, and Manny (yes I included Kiko because I personally believe he is going to be a strong candidate for DROY and going to be an impact player THIS year and have thought so since draft night).

 

To me, it's not a surprise he got cut. The surprise is the timing. Why not bring them all in to camp and see who's got it? The only logical conclusion, imo, is slow recovery from injury.

[3rdand12]

We were supposed to get rid of Billy Buffalo, not Mark Anderson

or are they the same ?

were i mean.

a or just another in a series of snafus from Bills central ?

I thought i heard one of the.. ahem.. coaches say "We really need to focus on executions here guys "

coincidence ? i suggest otherwise.

The intrigue continues.

 

oh by the way . Anderson was another player whom i watched oer the many games he danced with a tackle for a while after the ball was snapped. five i mean.

dont care for him.. he sucked .

questionable pick up at that price. That seemed like Russ move to me.

 

Sarcasm? This move saved the Bills no money.

 

Good news for Jerry Hughes and Jamie Blatnick.

exactly. now im stoked again.

[Alphadawg7]

To me, it's not a surprise he got cut. The surprise is the timing. Why not bring them all in to camp and see who's got it? The only logical conclusion, imo, is slow recovery from injury.

 

Well I direct you to point B in my original post you replied to as to why I think it makes sense now. People forget that Training Camp is not the only evaluation period...this regime has been evaluating film, tape, OTA's, practices, etc etc since the day they took over. They have also since signed Manny, traded for Hughes, drafted players and reviewed tape on the rest of the carry over roster. So at some point, they have to decide who they want to get reps, who they feel has the best shot of making an impact, who they feel best fits their scheme, etc.

 

So, going into camp, I would guess they have liked what they have seen out of guys like Bradham, Hughes, Carrington, and other players they feel can create pass rush pressure and want to get those guys more reps as they fit the scheme better. So rather than drag Mark into camp, they cut him now to focus on the guys they feel are better fit for the reps and to also give Mark a chance to catch on with another team sooner rather than later.

 

Not really a surprise to me on the timing as players, especially vets, get cut before camp every year as teams gather more info on their young players and new additions.

[BADOLBILZ]

training camp needs to start sooner or this board is going to eat itself alive.

 

If you think this is bad, wait until the first horrendous performance of the pre-season schedule. That is when the apologists tell everybody about how the preseason doesn't mean anything because the Super Bowl Bills lost most of their preseason games........and everyone else points out that these aren't those Bills and that poor preseason play has been followed by poor regular season play for the past 13 years. At least that is how it has gone here during the preseason for the last decade or so.

[3rdand12]

You're right, my main point was that this isn't simply a financially motivated cut. The opportunity to massage the cap is a bonus.

 

Recent reports seemed to indicate Pettine was going to use him as a third down pass rusher. They don't need him as a one dimensional player in Pettine's "multiple" defense.

He also in some other quotes suggested he was "into" the playbook to become available for 1 -2 run downs and not just wanted to rush the passer.

In retrospect it seems might have been sarcastic.

I gotta find the quote now.

bad fit is the answer, thats what i believe too with a financial upside to be realized later

Edited July 23, 2013 by 3rdand12

[bladiebla]

Is Parker the agent for Anderson by any chance?

[Best Player Available]

If you think this is bad, wait until the first horrendous performance of the pre-season schedule. That is when the apologists tell everybody about how the preseason doesn't mean anything because the Super Bowl Bills lost most of their preseason games........and everyone else points out that these aren't those Bills and that poor preseason play has been followed by poor regular season play for the past 13 years. At least that is how it has gone here during the preseason for the last decade or so.

It goes something like this every year without fail.

 

When the Bills get their butts kicked it's a scrimmage.

 

When they win it's a game.

[Alphadawg7]

If you think this is bad, wait until the first horrendous performance of the pre-season schedule. That is when the apologists tell everybody about how the preseason doesn't mean anything because the Super Bowl Bills lost most of their preseason games........and everyone else points out that these aren't those Bills and that poor preseason play has been followed by poor regular season play for the past 13 years. At least that is how it has gone here during the preseason for the last decade or so.

 

Wins and losses dont matter in preseason...however, poor showings by the first units and second units like not being able to move the ball or stop anyone is usually a bad sign. I will point out that multiple SB winners lost every preseason game the year they won the SB and that the winless 0-16 Lions were undefeated in preseason the year they went 0-16.

 

I expect to see some potential on both sides of the ball in preseason. I don't need to go 4-0...dont even care if we go 0-4. I dont need us to average 30 points, but I want to see that the offense can show some explosion and execution and the D can create some pressure and defend some passes over the middle for once. I want to see the young guys and new guys make some plays. I dont even care if they make a bunch of mistakes, thats what preseason is for, I just want them to be able to come back from that and also make some plays.

Edited July 23, 2013 by Alphadawg7

[Lurker]

Are you suggesting Nix signed Anderson against the wishes and recommendation of his Pro Personnel Director?

Are you suggesting Nix didn't sign Anderson because he was a good fit (at the time) in Wanny's "four-man plain vanilla pass rush" defensive scheme?

 

Or that Whaley cutting him now that Pettine's "jail house riot / player must be able to handle multiple roles" scheme is a poor decision?

 

Or that you just like to B word about things?

[BADOLBILZ]

I think we need to be careful about our assessments of the potential contributions of Hughes and Lawson. Indy did not want Hughes and he has underperformed as a first round pick. Lawson was a part time player last year for the Bengals. Hopefully, they will produce for the Bills, but we should be realistic about the chances of both being quality players for the Bills.

 

I am more excited about seeing more of Carrington. He seemed to make strides last year and he made some plays. Maybe he will blossom this year.

 

Did Carrington get moved back to OLB? I thought he was going to be a DE.

 

I can only assume that Mark Anderson is finished because it doesn't seem to make any sense to cut him at this point.

 

Lawson can't rush the passer. Hughes is a longshot. Mario Williams is a monster but he also ended 2010 and 2011 on IR. Seems like all the natural pass rush from the key pass rush position is expected to come from Williams.

[3rdand12]

So there IS an analytics department at OBD after all.

they said you couldn't keep a secret . did i listen ? nooooo

well this is just great. if i could fire you i would right now you.. you .......

nanker !!

[Alphadawg7]

Did Carrington get moved back to OLB? I thought he was going to be a DE.

 

I can only assume that Mark Anderson is finished because it doesn't seem to make any sense to cut him at this point.

 

Lawson can't rush the passer. Hughes is a longshot. Mario Williams is a monster but he also ended 2010 and 2011 on IR. Seems like all the natural pass rush from the key pass rush position is expected to come from Williams.

 

Lawson wasnt brought in to rush the passer, he was brought in to cover over the middle, something he is very good at and this team had been very bad at.

 

We have plenty of guys who can get to the QB now, it was never about personnel as much as it was a terrible staff, terrible schemes, and terrible game planning. Dareus and Kyle will get a lot of push in an attack style, Alan Branch is there to help clog up blockers and running lanes, Mario will be moved all over the field to bring pressure, Bradham is fast and suited to attack, Hughes is considered a pass rush specialist and showed some potential finally last year in Indy and I think has a chance excel in that role with all the other talent up front here, and Kiko has great instincts and can both cover and blitz...plus Carrington shown a lot of potential last year and I think will be a key player on this D this year under Pettine, not just a ST blocking ace.

 

For once, I am not worried about generating pressure, mostly because I am that confident in the attack style that Pettine will bring and utilizing the talents here and bringing blitz packages in. It was like Wanny was deathly allergic to a blitz.