mrags Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Here's a quick piece from the original day after thread. Brother says he didnt think he was out of control and father says he can't imagine he had more than a couple beers cause he had work in the morning (I'd assume dad talked to brother who was with him before that statement) http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121117/CITYANDREGION/121119251/1002 much of it is there. A few things to ponder: Q) When your a younger kid, and your team is playing in a Primetime game, did you usually get wasted? A) I sure know I did when I was younger. Q) when you were a young kid, would you often stay up late, often drinking or doing god knows what, even though you have to work in the morning? A) I sure know I did when I was younger. Q) When you were younger, going out and partying all the time, were you informing your parents what a crazy partier you were? A) Honestly, I pretty much told my parents everything. I had an older sister that paved the pathway for me, but I can tell you than not a single one of my friends would ever tell their parents what we were up to. And here's the best one of all and the one that rally puts a wrench into the story: Q) why is it that the police and officials couldn't find the boys body even though its in their own backyard, but this kids father comes all the way from Elmira (or wherever he came from) and happens to find his sons body before anyone else?
Corp000085 Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Should I sue? Unless someone was negligent in offering this choad a drink, everything should rest. Ira Hayes. Ira Hayes. Call him drunken Ira Hayes...
NoSaint Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) much of it is there. A few things to ponder: Q) When your a younger kid, and your team is playing in a Primetime game, did you usually get wasted? A) I sure know I did when I was younger. Q) when you were a young kid, would you often stay up late, often drinking or doing god knows what, even though you have to work in the morning? A) I sure know I did when I was younger. Q) When you were younger, going out and partying all the time, were you informing your parents what a crazy partier you were? A) Honestly, I pretty much told my parents everything. I had an older sister that paved the pathway for me, but I can tell you than not a single one of my friends would ever tell their parents what we were up to. And here's the best one of all and the one that rally puts a wrench into the story: Q) why is it that the police and officials couldn't find the boys body even though its in their own backyard, but this kids father comes all the way from Elmira (or wherever he came from) and happens to find his sons body before anyone else? Short feedback, I was primarily speaking to it shooting holes in their current filings. In reality, I don't doubt he was drinking a good bit. When searching for a missing person I think I'd abandon the lie, personally, but could imagine someone sticking to it thinking he went home with a girl or something. Let him cover for himself when he wakes up. Once found though.... Well.... Wasnt it reported dad found him from cell pings, or something? I assumed it was a basic phone finder app or something but remember more questions than answers at the time. Truly, I feel like I'm seeing all your points but not reading between the lines well. It seems your implying both that the dad was tipped off to what happened but there was still lying going on about the alcohol which seems a bit contradictory, though not impossible. If tipped to his location, I'm really curious what really happened. No need to get explicit though. I know your trying to keep it close to the vest still Edited June 22, 2013 by NoSaint
bbb Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 much of it is there. A few things to ponder: Q) When your a younger kid, and your team is playing in a Primetime game, did you usually get wasted? A) I sure know I did when I was younger. Q) when you were a young kid, would you often stay up late, often drinking or doing god knows what, even though you have to work in the morning? A) I sure know I did when I was younger. Q) When you were younger, going out and partying all the time, were you informing your parents what a crazy partier you were? A) Honestly, I pretty much told my parents everything. I had an older sister that paved the pathway for me, but I can tell you than not a single one of my friends would ever tell their parents what we were up to. And here's the best one of all and the one that rally puts a wrench into the story: Q) why is it that the police and officials couldn't find the boys body even though its in their own backyard, but this kids father comes all the way from Elmira (or wherever he came from) and happens to find his sons body before anyone else? My answers are Yes, Yes, like you Yes for sure............And, that one is such a mystery.
KollegeStudnet Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) We are all just a bunch monkeys on an organic spaceship floating around the universe....who just happen to drink beer and watch Bills games. Edited June 22, 2013 by KollegeStudnet
BuffaloBob Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 This is going to be a lot of nothing when its all said and done. Some ambulance chaser convinced the family they have a suit. Yeah, that ambulance chaser who was solicited by the family. Stop blaming the lawyers for lawsuits, blame the people who seek them out and hire them.
Doc Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 And here's the best one of all and the one that rally puts a wrench into the story: Q) why is it that the police and officials couldn't find the boys body even though its in their own backyard, but this kids father comes all the way from Elmira (or wherever he came from) and happens to find his sons body before anyone else? The implication is that since the area was searched without finding him, but the father was able to, that the father somehow found him outside the search area, took him to the stadium and dumped him over the fence, near the creek, without anyone seeing him do it. I can buy a lot of stuff, but not that. The autopsy report would show something to suggest that. Yeah, that ambulance chaser who was solicited by the family. Stop blaming the lawyers for lawsuits, blame the people who seek them out and hire them. The lawyers seek them out. Whether by phone calls or advertisements. I heard stories of people not necessarily wanting to sue being goaded into it by lawyers.
BuffaloBob Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 The lawyers seek them out. Whether by phone calls or advertisements. I heard stories of people not necessarily wanting to sue being goaded into it by lawyers. Lawyers directly contacting potential clients is illegal and cause for disbarrment. Not saying it never happens, but they police that stuff pretty seriously and will suspend or disbar for it and no lawyer wants that. By advertisement? So what? Doesn't mean you need to go hire them. And being goaded into it? You don't have to do anything you don't want to do. Oh they told me I could win money. I HAD to do it! They held me at gunpoint and made me sign the representation agreement! Please. Bottom line is, there is no lawsuit without a Plaintiff willing to hire the lawyer to sue on their behalf. Just becuase there's always a laywer willing to do it doen't make it the lawyer's fault.
NoSaint Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) The implication is that since the area was searched without finding him, but the father was able to, that the father somehow found him outside the search area, took him to the stadium and dumped him over the fence, near the creek, without anyone seeing him do it. I can buy a lot of stuff, but not that. The autopsy report would show something to suggest that. The lawyers seek them out. Whether by phone calls or advertisements. I heard stories of people not necessarily wanting to sue being goaded into it by lawyers. That would be a very tough one to believe - I think so tough that its why my head didnt even begin to go there lastnight Edited June 22, 2013 by NoSaint
mrags Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 The implication is that since the area was searched without finding him, but the father was able to, that the father somehow found him outside the search area, took him to the stadium and dumped him over the fence, near the creek, without anyone seeing him do it. I can buy a lot of stuff, but not that. The autopsy report would show something to suggest that. no. That wasnt the implication.
Doc Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Lawyers directly contacting potential clients is illegal and cause for disbarrment. Not saying it never happens, but they police that stuff pretty seriously and will suspend or disbar for it and no lawyer wants that. By advertisement? So what? Doesn't mean you need to go hire them. And being goaded into it? You don't have to do anything you don't want to do. Oh they told me I could win money. I HAD to do it! They held me at gunpoint and made me sign the representation agreement! Please. Bottom line is, there is no lawsuit without a Plaintiff willing to hire the lawyer to sue on their behalf. Just becuase there's always a laywer willing to do it doen't make it the lawyer's fault. Actually, there would be no lawsuit without a lawyer willing to take the case. The lawyer is the gate-keeper. A person can want to sue for anything, but that doesn't mean it has to go anywhere, unless he/she wants to represent him/herself. no. That wasnt the implication. Then I have no idea what you were getting at. Spill it!
NoSaint Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Actually, there would be no lawsuit without a lawyer willing to take the case. The lawyer is the gate-keeper. A person can want to sue for anything, but that doesn't mean it has to go anywhere, unless he/she wants to represent him/herself. Then I have no idea what you were getting at. Spill it! The only thing I could get was lil bro (or someone close) was aware of what happened and left him there but told dad where he was. Otherwise, baffled. Mrags will share as he sees fit. Ill leave it in his court though I am curious.
Jgoose22 Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 much of it is there. A few things to ponder: Q) When your a younger kid, and your team is playing in a Primetime game, did you usually get wasted? A) I sure know I did when I was younger. Q) when you were a young kid, would you often stay up late, often drinking or doing god knows what, even though you have to work in the morning? A) I sure know I did when I was younger. Q) When you were younger, going out and partying all the time, were you informing your parents what a crazy partier you were? A) Honestly, I pretty much told my parents everything. I had an older sister that paved the pathway for me, but I can tell you than not a single one of my friends would ever tell their parents what we were up to. And here's the best one of all and the one that rally puts a wrench into the story: Q) why is it that the police and officials couldn't find the boys body even though its in their own backyard, but this kids father comes all the way from Elmira (or wherever he came from) and happens to find his sons body before anyone else? Valid points to many but there has to be more fans like my friends and I. We had season tickets from "76" until the late "90's" (I moved to Fla in "89" but my friends kept the tickets). We loved going to the games even when the Bills stunk. we would meet at a friends house drive to the stadium park at the hot stand across from the stadium. Once there our grills would come out and the tailgating began, we always cooked steak, eggs and home fries with peppers an onions going in a pan. Yes, we enjoyed ice cold beer, Bloody Mary's and various other libations. We weren't there to get hammered we were there to enjoy the camaraderie and of course the game... Once finished with breakfast would we cook up Italian sausage for sandwiches and bring them into the game (at that time you were allowed to bring bags in) along with other snacks. Did we catch a buzz we sure did but we never got to the point of over indulgence where we didn't enjoy the football game... We couldn't stand the drunks that were rude and obnoxious, you just knew that they were there solely to get blasted....
Doc Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 The only thing I could get was lil bro (or someone close) was aware of what happened and left him there but told dad where he was. Otherwise, baffled. That doesn't really add much to the story though since there's nothing nefarious about it. I'm thinking the kid somehow caused his own demise and the father planted him near the stadium so as to be able to sue the Bills/Erie County.
NoSaint Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) That doesn't really add much to the story though since there's nothing nefarious about it. I'm thinking the kid somehow caused his own demise and the father planted him near the stadium so as to be able to sue the Bills/Erie County. Leaving someone you are with injured, or dead, over night in a stream in November while rescuers searched for them, then turning around to sue for them sending him off on his own would be a pretty good twist. And he already said no on your theory. So I'm not sure what else he could be getting at. Edited June 22, 2013 by NoSaint
BuffaloBob Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Actually, there would be no lawsuit without a lawyer willing to take the case. The lawyer is the gate-keeper. A person can want to sue for anything, but that doesn't mean it has to go anywhere, unless he/she wants to represent him/herself. Absolute nonesense! It is NOT the lawyer's job to be the gate-keeper for clients. In fact, it may well turn out in any case that there was some wrong that is ultimately righted, and most times as a laywer you may not even know that until you get into discovery. If every lawyer was required to make some sort of morality judgment before taking a case, justice would often not be served. Take the shady guy accused of murder. If every lawyer decided not to represent him because of a shady past and thus a question as to his guilt, how does he get justice if he is in fact innocent of the charges. There are all kinds of services provided for people that may not be a good idea under the circumstances, but if the client wants to purchase the services, so be it. Stop making excuses for the greedy idiots who try to scam the system by hiring a lawyer. And by the way it is quite often that a lawyer ends up trying to steer the client in the most constructive direction. In the case of the lawyer who took this particular case, he is not going to take it if he doesn't think he has a chance to be successful, as it is no doubt a contingent fee. Lawyers don't like wasting their time for no compensation.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Here we are again talking about a subject (lawyer-client dynamics) as if it's a black and white issue when in fact, it isn't. There are impressionable, clueless people who don't know what they're doing and what they should do. There are aggressive, unscrupulous lawyers who see everything in terms of dollar signs. There are competent, principled people who would reject the notion of suing others based on their own beliefs about personal responsibility. And there are ethical lawyers who don't attempt to chase ambulances solely for money. All these types of people (and their variations) exist and interact in our world.
HurlyBurly51 Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 The family is disgusting, bottom of the barrel, scum. Trying to profit off their sons death - a special place in hell for them.
HelloNewman Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 I am sorry for the family for what happened. Drunk or not; nobody deserves to die from drowning. That being said let me point something out I think we are all missing on....the family has filed a notice of claim to let Erie county know they MIGHT sue. If someone is going to sue the government on any level they need to let them know regardless if they sue or not within a certain time frame. If they miss that time frame or do not file the notice they are out of luck and it will get thrown out on a technicality in court. They filed a notice to buy them time (2 years) to think about what to do. This does not mean they are going to pursue a lawsuit against the county as of right now. They are following the proper procedure if they decide to sue. So as of right now there is NO LAWSUIT. For the record I do not think they should sue; he got drunk; he got thrown out; his fault; end of story.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 I don't know anything about the law really, no more than the average person anyways. The family has not filed a suit yet. They have filed a "notice of claim" which apparently is the first step towards filing a lawsuit. Based on what little we know and also the comments family members made in the aftermath of the death, the family doesn't seem to have a very strong case for suing. I wonder if there was a deadline for filing a notice of claim they were advised to meet so that they could keep all of their options open. I also wonder if they were advised to do this as an opening overture directed towards the implied plaintiffs to prompt a modest settlement. I am sorry for the family for what happened. Drunk or not; nobody deserves to die from drowning. That being said let me point something out I think we are all missing on....the family has filed a notice of claim to let Erie county know they MIGHT sue. If someone is going to sue the government on any level they need to let them know regardless if they sue or not within a certain time frame. If they miss that time frame or do not file the notice they are out of luck and it will get thrown out on a technicality in court. They filed a notice to buy them time (2 years) to think about what to do. This does not mean they are going to pursue a lawsuit against the county as of right now. They are following the proper procedure if they decide to sue. So as of right now there is NO LAWSUIT. For the record I do not think they should sue; he got drunk; he got thrown out; his fault; end of story. LOL. We were thinking along similar lines.
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