K-9 Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 I suspect that is the "market rate" for Byrd (until the next premium safety's contract is up at least) That is a matter of strict opinion. The Bills have valid reasons for NOT making him the highest paid safety. As it is, he'll be the 4th highest paid this season anyway, and that will only go up next year if they franchise him again. GO BILLS!!!
Astrobot Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 Using ProFootballFocus Signature Stats, Byrd is hands down the best coverage safety in the NFL, far andbaway. He is second overall to Eric Weddle, but pass coverage isn't Weddle's strong suit.
vincec Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 That is a matter of strict opinion. The Bills have valid reasons for NOT making him the highest paid safety. As it is, he'll be the 4th highest paid this season anyway, and that will only go up next year if they franchise him again. GO BILLS!!! What "valid reasons" are you referring to? Aside from the obvious reason that they don't want to spend the money so that they can use it for ... er, um... something else.
Doc Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 he's been given the FA tag. Why not give him a playbook. what harm is there? its not like he can play for another team Again, mostly to make him report to OBD sooner rather than later. He's in another contract year if he plays under the 1-year tag and he'll want to have a great season. Not having the playbook until late isn't going to help that cause.
K-9 Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) What "valid reasons" are you referring to? Aside from the obvious reason that they don't want to spend the money so that they can use it for ... er, um... something else. I've mentioned these valid reasons on several occasions throughout this thread. I don't feel a need to restate them here. I'll just say that the Bills' reasons can't simply be dismissed because you happen to disagree with them. And what's wrong with being the 4th highest paid anyway? That's about right given his athletic ability to influence a game on a play by play basis. GO BILLS!!! Using ProFootballFocus Signature Stats, Byrd is hands down the best coverage safety in the NFL, far andbaway. He is second overall to Eric Weddle, but pass coverage isn't Weddle's strong suit. How does pff account for Byrd's responsibilities in zone coverages? How about the times he overcommits? What about those times when he's simply outrun? Pff would have me believe they have all of Byrd's plays in the proper context to evaluate them. I don't believe it for a second and I take all their evaluations with a bolder of salt. GO BILLS!!! Edited July 8, 2013 by K-9
vincec Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 I've mentioned these valid reasons on several occasions throughout this thread. I don't feel a need to restate them here. I'll just say that the Bills' reasons can't simply be dismissed because you happen to disagree with them. GO BILLS!!! Fair enough, but the same goes for you. Your reasons are valid in your opinion and Byrd's position can't be dismissed simply because you don't agree with it.
K-9 Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 Fair enough, but the same goes for you. Your reasons are valid in your opinion and Byrd's position can't be dismissed simply because you don't agree with it. I'm not dismissing Byrd's position. I'm sure he feels he has a legitimate reasons for his stance. I have no problem with that at all. I didn't think it was necessary to qualify everything posted here as our own opinions. I just assumed that was understood. GO BILLS!!!
NoSaint Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 I've mentioned these valid reasons on several occasions throughout this thread. I don't feel a need to restate them here. I'll just say that the Bills' reasons can't simply be dismissed because you happen to disagree with them. And what's wrong with being the 4th highest paid anyway? That's about right given his athletic ability to influence a game on a play by play basis. GO BILLS!!! How does pff account for Byrd's responsibilities in zone coverages? How about the times he overcommits? What about those times when he's simply outrun? Pff would have me believe they have all of Byrd's plays in the proper context to evaluate them. I don't believe it for a second and I take all their evaluations with a bolder of salt. GO BILLS!!! Really the only thing I take issue with is if he agrees on a deal that's 4th highest today he will be 9th highest by the time he's done with it. If he's a top 5 talent I don't think it's unfair to shoot at the top of the charts to fall to an average of top 5 over the duration. I'm still surprised Parker's "he's compensated at 15-20%" comment hasn't gotten more press. Even the high end of that is a 7.33 average assuming his highest one year salary hes earned and that its the 15% end
ndirish1978 Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 (edited) PFT says we're not even planning on talking to him before the deadline?! That makes no sense. His agent, who helped Peters out of town, appears to be doing the same thing all over again. What should we trade him for? http://profootballta...ls-jairus-byrd/ Edited July 9, 2013 by ndirish1978
Doc Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 PFT says we're not even planning on talking to him before the deadline?! That makes no sense. His agent, who helped Peters out of town, appears to be doing the same thing all over again. What should we trade him for? http://profootballta...ls-jairus-byrd/ Let them come crawling to the Bills. As it stands, Byrd will have to play under a 1-year $6.9M tender if he doesn't agree to what the Bills have offered. Next year they can re-franchise him for $8.2M. He'll need to play well each year to justify a huge contract from someone.
mitchmurraydowntown Posted July 9, 2013 Author Posted July 9, 2013 PFT says we're not even planning on talking to him before the deadline?! That makes no sense. His agent, who helped Peters out of town, appears to be doing the same thing all over again. What should we trade him for? http://profootballta...ls-jairus-byrd/ I'm looking for Byrd to play under his tender but only come back after Training Camp is over, kinda of like the Bruce Smith my aching groin trick.
bbb Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 Here is what I think about bargaining people like Parker. He does not respect the game , for him it is about money and no other item appears on his list I believe the only way for the Bills or any other team to deal with Parker is to be the same. What Parker does is wait until the team shows it's priority to football and then he gets what he wants. Either a contract or a trade. In either case he gets the money. As a great negotiator Herb Cohen says...it is not about the money it is about the MONEY. If the Bills make a respectful offer they must then be prepared to allow Byrd to sit out. It must be about the money for the Bills as well. It appears to me the even if Byrd comes to camp, he will not play well, he will be disruptive. He must understand it is his career, not Parker's money game. No game, no money. I have to agree with this. In that Tim Graham article, Curtis Martin said (in a positive way, seemingly) that Eugene doesn't leave a dollar on the table. I didn't take that as a positive myself. As for the quotes from Parcells, of course he loves Parker - he's the one who designed the scam contract to get Martin to him at the Jets from the Pats.
Coach Tuesday Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 I have to agree with this. In that Tim Graham article, Curtis Martin said (in a positive way, seemingly) that Eugene doesn't leave a dollar on the table. I didn't take that as a positive myself. As for the quotes from Parcells, of course he loves Parker - he's the one who designed the scam contract to get Martin to him at the Jets from the Pats. Yeah because the owners, esp Ralph, love to give money away for the love of the game. Come on. Ralph Wilson would walk across a busy six-lane highway to pick up a nickel. I can't fault the players or agents for looking out for themselves.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 Really the only thing I take issue with is if he agrees on a deal that's 4th highest today he will be 9th highest by the time he's done with it. If he's a top 5 talent I don't think it's unfair to shoot at the top of the charts to fall to an average of top 5 over the duration. I'm still surprised Parker's "he's compensated at 15-20%" comment hasn't gotten more press. Even the high end of that is a 7.33 average assuming his highest one year salary hes earned and that its the 15% end First of all, I agree with you on this discussion regarding the issuance of the playbook. Undrafted free agents are issued these things before they're inevitably cut. As we've pointed out, there are security measures associated with the iPad in terms of locking and or wiping it clean from the host server. Also the player AND the team both have some common interests one of which is that when he finally reports and plays, he plays well. No one believes that the Bills want Byrd to have a poor season, do they? I don't know whether Byrd has a playbook or not but I know that if I were running the team, I would offer to make the playbook available to him with zero restrictions. I also agree with your take that it's natural for Byrd to shoot for highest paid for the very reason that by the expiration of the contract, there will be lesser players making more money. There's zero question in my mind that he's going for a top-in-class contract and I think that he should. This does not mean that I think the Bills should give it to him btw. One aspect that you've brought up several times is mystifying to me… the 15-20% comment. Wasn't this with regards to how much Byrd was paid during his rookie contract? If so in what way is that even relevant? Byrd was drafted at a certain slot, paid accordingly, finished out that contract, and is now in a position of more leverage. To me nothing is less relevant than the terms of his rookie contract, unless I'm misunderstanding the 15-20% issue you raise.
Captain Hindsight Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 PFT says we're not even planning on talking to him before the deadline?! That makes no sense. His agent, who helped Peters out of town, appears to be doing the same thing all over again. What should we trade him for? http://profootballta...ls-jairus-byrd/ They also just reported that Mario will be signing with Chicago
NoSaint Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 First of all, I agree with you on this discussion regarding the issuance of the playbook. Undrafted free agents are issued these things before they're inevitably cut. As we've pointed out, there are security measures associated with the iPad in terms of locking and or wiping it clean from the host server. Also the player AND the team both have some common interests one of which is that when he finally reports and plays, he plays well. No one believes that the Bills want Byrd to have a poor season, do they? I don't know whether Byrd has a playbook or not but I know that if I were running the team, I would offer to make the playbook available to him with zero restrictions. I also agree with your take that it's natural for Byrd to shoot for highest paid for the very reason that by the expiration of the contract, there will be lesser players making more money. There's zero question in my mind that he's going for a top-in-class contract and I think that he should. This does not mean that I think the Bills should give it to him btw. One aspect that you've brought up several times is mystifying to me… the 15-20% comment. Wasn't this with regards to how much Byrd was paid during his rookie contract? If so in what way is that even relevant? Byrd was drafted at a certain slot, paid accordingly, finished out that contract, and is now in a position of more leverage. To me nothing is less relevant than the terms of his rookie contract, unless I'm misunderstanding the 15-20% issue you raise. Could be I misunderstood Parker's comment but Parker said along the lines of Byrds compensation has previously been15-20% of his perceived market value - that's the closest to insight on Parker's thoughts on market value we've gotten publicly. Some folks have come in with claims of 10m per year demands. If you gauge what that comment pegs it would be along the lines of last years value being in the mid 7s. Seems like an agent being reasonable in his assessments not an agent trying to cripple a team just to say he beat the team up. What the actual final number he's asking is, I don't know, but the fact that he didnt say 10% seems to indicate 7-8m is a reasonable guess for the discussions going on with perhaps a small bump over that but not blowing goldson out of the water.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 Could be I misunderstood Parker's comment but Parker said along the lines of Byrds compensation has previously been15-20% of his perceived market value - that's the closest to insight on Parker's thoughts on market value we've gotten publicly. Some folks have come in with claims of 10m per year demands. If you gauge what that comment pegs it would be along the lines of last years value being in the mid 7s. Seems like an agent being reasonable in his assessments not an agent trying to cripple a team just to say he beat the team up. What the actual final number he's asking is, I don't know, but the fact that he didnt say 10% seems to indicate 7-8m is a reasonable guess for the discussions going on with perhaps a small bump over that but not blowing goldson out of the water. Okay gotcha. Thanks.
bbb Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 Yeah because the owners, esp Ralph, love to give money away for the love of the game. Come on. Ralph Wilson would walk across a busy six-lane highway to pick up a nickel. I can't fault the players or agents for looking out for themselves. I don't either. But, not leaving a dollar on the table, as is Parker's style, is just plain stupid.........How is that working out for Albert Pujols for stupidly leaving St. Louis, where he was Babe Ruth.
ganesh Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 he's been given the FA tag. Why not give him a playbook. what harm is there? its not like he can play for another team Because he is yet to sign the tag, meaning, he is not under contract with the Buffalo Bills.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 Because he is yet to sign the tag, meaning, he is not under contract with the Buffalo Bills. There were rookies who were unsigned that were issued playbooks. EJ Manuel participated in numerous practices before he finally signed. Presumably he was issued a playbook.
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