NoSaint Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 How about this thread get back to Byrd and not how much you hate the things I say. agreed. fyi - was just trying to help you not end up feeling that way, not alienate you. as ive said upthread, i wouldnt expect any movement in negotiations until after the 4th of july. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 How about this thread get back to Byrd and not how much you hate the things I say. why, at least this is one thing we all seem to agree on ... jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 why, at least this is one thing we all seem to agree on ... jw im still waiting for WEO to come disagree with all of us and Doc to start ranting at him about engagement rings. we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 im still waiting for WEO to come disagree with all of us and Doc to start ranting at him about engagement rings. we will see. You don't really need/want me to explain all that again to you, do you NS? Because I can if you'd like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 You don't really need/want me to explain all that again to you, do you NS? Because I can if you'd like. oh, i remember. dont you worry. youve already taken enough time out of your month, i wouldnt want to bother you with having to do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 oh, i remember. dont you worry. youve already taken enough time out of your month, i wouldnt want to bother you with having to do it again. Splendid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Just to be clear I'm all in favor of giving Byrd a solid deal, in the $7-$8M/yr range. Just not a "highest paid" deal. It sets a bad precedent for future negotiations. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Just to be clear I'm all in favor of giving Byrd a solid deal, in the $7-$8M/yr range. Just not a "highest paid" deal. It sets a bad precedent for future negotiations. PTR im in a similar boat - but accepting if it ends up being goldson plus an extra 20 bucks to give him the top of the list. i wouldnt blow the second highest out of the water though, or give him a blank check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 atleast you occasionally have lucid posts! Mark it down, I managed to sway someone to believe I make lucid posts!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Mark it down, I managed to sway someone to believe I make lucid posts!!! Something about blind squirrels or broken clocks? I feel like there are sayings for this exact moment. Oh well. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Something about blind squirrels or broken clocks? I feel like there are sayings for this exact moment. Oh well. Cheers I believe it's: "even a blind squirrel finds a broken clock on Sundays" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted June 19, 2013 Author Share Posted June 19, 2013 Nope just a disagreement on some things. If they take it personal then I am sorry but these are forums and people don't agree with everything on here. I have no problem with you & think this extended conversation(s) have been great. Some simple questions is how much should we spend paying one guy who's past 3 years equaled his first at his position ? How much past $6.9 M are the Bills willing to commit ? Can the Bills justifying paying a guy that much with several similiar replacements on the roster already? Is there a possibility that the Bills plan on looking for a trade partner for a pick or player (pick being much more likely) ?? If they are looking for a trade partner, have they started already ?, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I have no problem with you & think this extended conversation(s) have been great. Some simple questions is how much should we spend paying one guy who's past 3 years equaled his first at his position ? How much past $6.9 M are the Bills willing to commit ? Can the Bills justifying paying a guy that much with several similiar replacements on the roster already? Is there a possibility that the Bills plan on looking for a trade partner for a pick or player (pick being much more likely) ?? If they are looking for a trade partner, have they started already ?, Which similar replacements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted June 19, 2013 Author Share Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) Which similar replacements? I can't stand it when people answer questions with a question, which means the answer is something you probably won't know or understand even if I clarify it. Check the roster, a few guys are ready to step up & Byrd hasn't been that great besides tackling after our vanilla schemed defensive front failed to perform. Edited June 19, 2013 by mitchmurraydowntown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I can't stand it when people answer questions with a question, which means the answer is something you probably won't know or understand even if I clarify it. Check the roster, a few guys are ready to step up & Byrd hasn't been that great besides tackling after our vanilla schemed defensive front failed to perform. having pored over the Bills roster, i'm left with the same conclusion as No Saint in finding it difficult to find a safety currently on the roster with one Pro Bowl selection, another Pro Bowl appearance and having more than 2 NFL career interceptions. there are potential "replacements," but none that appear to be "similar." jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I can't stand it when people answer questions with a question, which means the answer is something you probably won't know or understand even if I clarify it. Check the roster, a few guys are ready to step up & Byrd hasn't been that great besides tackling after our vanilla schemed defensive front failed to perform. i think its a fair question. we have a top of the nfl safety and you are saying guys are primed to step up? do you mean our failed corner that is playing safety for the first time in the nfl and was primed to step up as a corner last year, or the two mid round rookies that are also playing safety for the first time in the nfl? having pored over the Bills roster, i'm left with the same conclusion as No Saint in finding it difficult to find a safety currently on the roster with one Pro Bowl selection, another Pro Bowl appearance and having more than 2 NFL career interceptions. there are potential "replacements," but none that appear to be "similar." jw yet alone several. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph W. Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I can't stand it when people answer questions with a question, which means the answer is something you probably won't know or understand even if I clarify it. Check the roster, a few guys are ready to step up & Byrd hasn't been that great besides tackling after our vanilla schemed defensive front failed to perform. The fact that Byrd did his job on a horrible defense makes him not that good? Byrd went from top safety in the league to "anyone can step up and do what he does" in a matter of an off season. I don't think guys who have never played safety in the NFL can just step in and will do 1/10 as well as him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted June 19, 2013 Author Share Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) The fact that Byrd did his job on a horrible defense makes him not that good? Byrd went from top safety in the league to "anyone can step up and do what he does" in a matter of an off season. I don't think guys who have never played safety in the NFL can just step in and will do 1/10 as well as him. His INT totals in the last 3 seasons have just been OK, so do all of you just want to pay him the most money because of his rookie season?? Maybe we should double Mario's pay for his decent half season last year as well, all helping us to those 6 wins. We sucked on defense & Byrd was a standout amongst the bad group, so it's time to give him a blank check ?? Wake up here man, reality is we're not paying him the most money at his position. The offer they made paid him a top salary already, I think we maybe will squeeze another $1.1 M on it for a $8 M total on a cap friendly contract. Edited June 19, 2013 by mitchmurraydowntown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) His INT totals in the last 3 seasons have just been OK, so do all of you just want to pay him the most money because of his rookie season?? Maybe we should double Mario's pay for his decent half season last year as well, all helping us to those 6 wins. We sucked on defense & Byrd was a standout amongst the bad group, so it's time to give him a blank check ?? Wake up here man, reality is we're not paying him the most money at his position. The offer they made paid him a top salary already, I think we maybe will squeeze another $1.1 M on it for a $8 M total on a cap friendly contract. sorry, let's go back. who are these "several similar" safeties currently on the Bills roster you mentioned earlier? jw (because i hate it when someone answers a question with a question and the question is never answered.) actually, let me delve further in wondering ... I can't stand it when people answer questions with a question, which means the answer is something you probably won't know or understand even if I clarify it. what does that mean? are you suggesting we won't know the answer? but we won't know the answer until you answer it, no? and if we won't understand the answer even if you clarify it, is that on us or your clarification skills? i'm perplexed. jw Edited June 19, 2013 by john wawrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 actually, let me delve further in wondering ... what does that mean? are you suggesting we won't know the answer? but we won't know the answer until you answer it, no? and if we won't understand the answer even if you clarify it, is that on us or your clarification skills? i'm perplexed. jw yea this whole thread is devolving terribly. cant wait to see it next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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