K-9 Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 I hear you...my statement was made to refute the idea that the Bills are some kind of farm team for the rest of the NFL. That quite simply isn't true in any way. If only there were a way to keep him on a 1-year deal that paid him a top 5 salary while the team had a chance to evaluate whether or not they thought he deserved top 3 safety money next off-season... LOL. I guess being the 4th highest paid at the position for a year is an insult. Like I said earlier, there are multiple reasons why the Bills wouldn't want to make him the highest paid right now, but only one reason why Byrd wouldn't sign (or millions of reasons, depending on your viewpoint). GO BILLS!!! Yet you failed to answer my question. Not sure who you are addressing this to, but if the question is if not Byrd, then who, my answer is that it depends on many factors. Sorry if that isn't in a nice tightly wrapped box with a bow for you, but it's not as simple as just "pay the man because he's young and has been to two Pro Bowls." As it is, the tag makes him the 4th highest paid this season. Given the holes in his game, the fact that the Bills are more than a good free-safety away, and there are more important pieces like Wood and Spiller with free agency looming, 4th highest isn't a bad opening offer. GO BILLS!!!
thebandit27 Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 LOL. I guess being the 4th highest paid at the position for a year is an insult. Like I said earlier, there are multiple reasons why the Bills wouldn't want to make him the highest paid right now, but only one reason why Byrd wouldn't sign (or millions of reasons, depending on your viewpoint). GO BILLS!!! I think I missed something...my tongue-in-cheek comment was in agreement with your statement...they franchised the guy, he's getting top 5 money. I don't think he's insulted.
K-9 Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 I think I missed something...my tongue-in-cheek comment was in agreement with your statement...they franchised the guy, he's getting top 5 money. I don't think he's insulted. You didn't miss anythning. We're getting each other here. It's the fans that are insulted for him. But then again, seeing as it's all about the long term deal with the most guaranteed money and the "average" annual amount of the deal, perhaps a case can be made for Byrd to actually be insulted. GO BILLS!!!
thebandit27 Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 You didn't miss anythning. We're getting each other here. It's the fans that are insulted for him. But then again, seeing as it's all about the long term deal with the most guaranteed money and the "average" annual amount of the deal, perhaps a case can be made for Byrd to actually be insulted. GO BILLS!!! ah...ok...so I'm not completely lost
#34fan Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 I'm hoping this team has the courage to move on from Byrd... Just like we've moved on from Buddy, Chan, Wanny, Fitz, Kelsay, Wilson, Sheppard, Barnett, and Merriman. This secondary DOES NOT need Jairus Byrd in order to succeed. I've seen his numbers, and I've seen the guy play. We can do better.
Doc Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 Make him a take-it-or-leave-it offer. If he takes it, great. If not, tell him we might franchise you again next year as well (which would cost $8.28M, which is pretty much what Goldson is averaging, which combined with the $6.9M this year would still make Byrd a bargain). Byrd will have no choice but to show up for training camp and play lights-out this year, looking for the big payday.
CodeMonkey Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 Make him a take-it-or-leave-it offer. If he takes it, great. If not, tell him we might franchise you again next year as well (which would cost $8.28M, which is pretty much what Goldson is averaging, which combined with the $6.9M this year would still make Byrd a bargain). Byrd will have no choice but to show up for training camp and play lights-out this year, looking for the big payday. Or try the non-adversarial approach of suggesting setting an early season timeline to negotiate a longer term deal while he plays under the tag this season. Many different ways to go about it. What's happening now is not good for either side.
thebandit27 Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 Or try the non-adversarial approach of suggesting setting an early season timeline to negotiate a longer term deal while he plays under the tag this season. I think that's exactly what they're going to do. Many different ways to go about it. What's happening now is not good for either side. Perhaps it's not good, but it can't be all that bad either...I mean, they still have a month before the deadline to come to a deal prior to the season. As Andrew Brandt (former Packers VP of Player Personnel) likes to say: deadlines spur action.
Doc Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 Or try the non-adversarial approach of suggesting setting an early season timeline to negotiate a longer term deal while he plays under the tag this season. Many different ways to go about it. What's happening now is not good for either side. If a deal isn't done within 4 weeks (i.e. before 4 PM on July 15th), Byrd has to play under the 1-year tender. And then the Bills can't offer him a new contract until the last regular season game is played.
NoSaint Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 Or try the non-adversarial approach of suggesting setting an early season timeline to negotiate a longer term deal while he plays under the tag this season. Many different ways to go about it. What's happening now is not good for either side. he wont be able to sign the new deal until next year, once camp starts
Ralph W. Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 I think that's exactly what they're going to do. Perhaps it's not good, but it can't be all that bad either...I mean, they still have a month before the deadline to come to a deal prior to the season. As Andrew Brandt (former Packers VP of Player Personnel) likes to say: deadlines spur action. So you're arguing with me b.c you think something codemonkey said will happen when it CANT happen... Yea OK.
3rdand12 Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 brutal crowd here. If Pettine can coach and i think he can . We probably have a strong secondary this season without Byrd. With what we have already. A far as Byrd being rewarded well with the F tag. I dont care for that mentality. It means that the team and player are NOT in agreement. Its not just about money ( even though it's Eugene Parkers client ) . Its a two way street of course. I just cant figure out who is out of bounds here. Asking price or offered price and contract. A nice long term deal would be great to get done now, because next season we will have some more KEY players to sign. I will pay him 8 million and put him in the position to become the gamechanger i think he could be with REAL defensive coach and a surrounding cast. Such as a pass rush. I think Jairus is a good long term investment. But obviously i dont sign the checks. If i did we would not have the freakshow Mario Williams dragging the cap. I would have players that shut up and play every down every game.
PromoTheRobot Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 Sigh... We are not talking about signing guys to little contracts. We are talking about TOP TALENT. We don't have a QB to give money to so that excuse is out the building. You need to keep the key top talent players you draft till you find a QB. How the teams do it, Ravens are prime example they got their QB and sign him to big money while letting other talent go. Before that they kept top talent till they found a QB. Seriously, hows many players can one team have be top paid at their positions? We have one in Mario now. CJ could become another. Are we supposed to make everyone top paid? PTR
NoSaint Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 Seriously, hows many players can one team have be top paid at their positions? We have one in Mario now. CJ could become another. Are we supposed to make everyone top paid? PTR as it turns out, you can be around the top at a few positions. especially when you arent at qb. not everyone can be number one, but you can pay good players well - especially since we dont have a ton of them at premium positions.
vincec Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 Seriously, hows many players can one team have be top paid at their positions? We have one in Mario now. CJ could become another. Are we supposed to make everyone top paid? PTR I know, one top player is enough. I mean what you trying to do here- build an all star team like the one in the early 90s? One top player and the rest scrubs is the way to go!
Ralph W. Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 (edited) Seriously, hows many players can one team have be top paid at their positions? We have one in Mario now. CJ could become another. Are we supposed to make everyone top paid? Lol yea teams only pay one player... Seriously this is your argument. Pay Byrd now so you don't have a problem when you have to pay someone else later. PTR Edited June 18, 2013 by EJ3
PromoTheRobot Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 (edited) Lol yea teams only pay one player... Seriously this is your argument. Pay Byrd now so you don't have a problem when you have to pay someone else later. Actually my argument is that we fans want to pay every player as much as they want because we are only thinking about right now. First we had to sign SJ, then Mario, now Byrd, next it's CJ and Wood. Cap space is finite. What we pay Byrd now affects who gets paid what later. If you throw open the vault every year pretty soon you can't sign anyone. I noticed you never answered my question. Too busy LOLing me I guess. So how many players can an NFL team carry that are highest paid at their positions? Figure the average number is $10M/yr. So how many players can make that? You seen to think 2 is laughably small. How many then? 5? 8? 10? PTR Edited June 18, 2013 by PromoTheRobot
Ralph W. Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 (edited) How many player are being paid at top of their positions? 1... ONE! ONE! We need to make the TOP player we have the ones we DRAFTED keep those. If a two time pro bowl player one of the best in his position isn't worth the money, then who is? No one answered that... I answered your question that didn't need to be answered. Edited June 18, 2013 by EJ3
NoSaint Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 Actually my argument is that we fans want to pay every player as much as they want because we are only thinking about right now. First we had to sign SJ, then Mario, now Byrd, next it's CJ and Wood. Cap space is finite. What we pay Byrd now affects who gets paid what later. If you throw open the vault every year pretty soon you can't sign anyone. I noticed you never answered my question. Too busy LOLing me I guess. So how many players can an NFL team carry that are highest paid at their positions? Figure the average number is $10M/yr. So how many players can make that? You seen to think 2 is laughably small. How many then? 5? 8? 10? PTR Really a meaningless question. It's about roster composition and we could fit not just paying him more than anyone this year but also another year of that salary under our current cap. We aren't strapped. You can pay players, especially when you don't have a qb getting paid.
K-9 Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 How many player are being paid at top of their positions? 1... ONE! ONE! We need to make the TOP player we have the ones we DRAFTED keep those. If a two time pro bowl player one of the best in his position isn't worth the money, then who is? No one answered that... I answered your question that didn't need to be answered. Tried answering your question earlier but I guess it's not the answer you wanted to hear. One of the best? I agree. The Bills' offer pays him as "one of the best." Highest paid of all time? Not for a two time pro bowler and one time 2nd team All Pro with holes in his game. So if not Byrd, then someone better. That's my answer. Next question. GO BILLS!!!
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