Progressives tout California Health care "success"

[Doc]

Obamacare ironically will end-up being the #1 reason the US will never move to single-payor system.

[B-Large]

 

 

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/upiUPI-20130614-232724-6523

 

 

 

 

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/upiUPI-20130614-235806-4920

 

The cash doctor still bills insurance for labs, procedures and patients still need insurance when they are referred on for tertiary care...

 

Why go into primary care and make high hundreds, when you could go into Dermatology and make 350k?...

[TakeYouToTasker]

Specialists make more in every field. That isn't unique to medicine.

[B-Man]

Think NSA Spying Is Bad? Here Comes The ObamaCare Hub.

 

Not to worry, says the Obama administration. “The hub will not store consumer information, but will securely transmit data between state and federal systems to verify consumer application information,” it claimed in an online fact sheet .

 

But a regulatory notice filed by the administration in February tells a different story.

 

That filing describes a new “system of records” that will store names, birth dates, Social Security numbers, taxpayer status, gender, ethnicity, email addresses, telephone numbers on the millions of people expected to apply for coverage at the ObamaCare exchanges, as well as “tax return information from the IRS, income information from the Social Security Administration, and financial information from other third-party sources.”

 

They will also store data from businesses buying coverage through an exchange, including a “list of qualified employees and their tax ID numbers,” and keep it all on file for 10 years.

 

In addition, the filing says the federal government can disclose this information “without the consent of the individual”

to a wide range of people, including “agency contractors, consultants, or grantees” who “need to have access to the records” to help run ObamaCare, as well as law enforcement officials to “investigate potential fraud.”

 

 

And it absolutely, positively will be abused politically.

[IDBillzFan]

As good a place as any to put this: NFL Punts on Promoting Obamacare

 

UPDATE: NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy emails:

We have responded to the letters we received from members of Congress to inform them we currently have no plans to engage in this area and have had no substantive contact with the administration about PPACA’s implementation.

[meazza]

As good a place as any to put this: NFL Punts on Promoting Obamacare

 

Someone's getting audited.

[B-Man]

A Pentecostal, a Southern Baptist, and a Catholic Walked into the Press Club

 

By Kathryn Jean Lopez

 

There are Anglicans and Orthodox, Evangelicals and Pentecostals, Presbyterians and Lutherans. There are Jewish leaders and leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The International Society for Krishna Consciousness and the Church of Scientology are even represented. They’re all “standing together for religious freedom,” as their new letter puts it, and they’d like you to join them.

 

“Here we stand. We can do no other,” Russell Moore, president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, announced at a press conference today while sitting beside his Catholic ally, Baltimore archbishop William E. Lori — underscoring how the White House has unintentionally done wonders for Christian unity with its HHS mandate.

 

Today in Washington, an impressively ecumenical coalition released this open letter making the case to “all Americans” that opposing the HHS mandate is urgent. Through the mandate, the letter states, “the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services (HHS) continues to breach universal principles affirmed and protected by the U.S. Constitution and other federal laws. While the mandate is a specific offense, it represents a greater fundamental breach of conscience by the federal government. Very simply, HHS is forcing Citizen A, against his or her moral convictions, to purchase a product for Citizen B. HHS policy is coercive and puts the administration in the position of defining – or casting aside – religious doctrine. This should trouble every American.”

 

The effort has been organized, and today’s National Press Club event was co-sponsored by, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and the Southern Baptist Convention’s ERLC. Notably, as the letter states, most of the religious traditions represented have no theological objection to contraception, but stand with those who do in seeking protection from a mandate that demands they provide insurance coverage that violates their conscience rights.

Edited July 2, 2013 by B-Man

[IDBillzFan]

If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.

 

Unless, y'know, you can't.

 

The nation's largest health insurer, UnitedHealth Group Inc., is leaving California's individual health insurance market, the second major company to exit in advance of major changes under the Affordable Care Act.

 

UnitedHealth said it had notified state regulators that it would leave the state's individual market at year-end and force about 8,000 customers to find new coverage. Last month, Aetna Inc., the nation's third-largest health insurer, made a similar move affecting about 50,000 existing policyholders.

 

Both companies will keep a major presence in California, focusing instead on large and small employers.

[B-Man]

And it's just a coincidence that the pain will be delayed until after the 2014 elections.

 

 

Obamacare’s Employer Mandate Delayed until 2015

By Charles C. W. Cooke

 

Per Bloomberg:

Businesses won’t be penalized next year if they don’t provide workers health insurance after the Obama administration decided to delay a key requirement under its health-care law, two administration officials said.

 

The decision will come in regulatory guidance to be issued later this week. It addresses vehement complaints from employer groups about the administrative burden of reporting requirements, though it may also affect coverage provided to some workers.

 

The two officials, who asked not to be identified to discuss the move ahead of its announcement, said the administration decided to wait until 2015 before enforcing the employer mandate in order to simplify reporting requirements and give businesses more time to adapt their health-care coverage.

 

The 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act includes financial penalties on businesses with more than 50 employees that fail to provide health insurance that meets minimum standards and tests for affordability.

 

 

The rest here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

BTW, is there any authorization in the law to allow this delay, or is Obama just making up the law as he goes again?

 

 

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Edited July 2, 2013 by B-Man

[Taro T]

And it's just a coincidence that the pain will be delayed until after the 2014 elections.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BTW, is there any authorization in the law to allow this delay, or is Obama just making up the law as he goes again?

 

 

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The Q was rhetorical, right?

[B-Man]

White House Delays Obamacare Business-Employer Mandate For a Year...

 

'Deviously Brilliant'...

 

Individuals STILL REQUIRED TO COMPLY...

 

LOL ........................Drudge Headline.

 

IT CAN WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION

 

 

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[DC Tom]

Never mind your opinion on health care and health insurance...does ANYONE still believe this specific law and its implementation isn't completely !@#$ed?

[B-Man]

HILARIOUS............................

 

“It is better to do this right than fast,” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s spokesman, Adam Jentleson.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/obamacare-delay-republicans-93685.html#ixzz2XwLwHid6

 

 

Talk about lack of self-awareness and irony ! ! ! ! !

 

Where was this slow down and get it right concern in 2009 ?

 

The Senate is FULL of buffoons.

 

 

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[Doc]

I agree that delaying the employer mandate admits the failures of Obamacrap. But I don't think delaying it until after 2014 will help the Dem congress critters. They'll be put on the spot over whether they support Obamacare or not and trying to weasel out from under it and enraging your base will be tough.

Edited July 3, 2013 by Doc

[B-Man]

TWEET OF THE DAY: Obamacare was so popular it had to be passed in the dead of night and delayed until after two elections.

[IDBillzFan]

Never mind your opinion on health care and health insurance...does ANYONE still believe this specific law and its implementation isn't completely !@#$ed?

 

Yes. Most of the people who voted for it.

 

TWEET OF THE DAY: Obamacare was so popular it had to be passed in the dead of night and delayed until after two elections.

 

I love the responses. One person writes "It was never designed to work like this" and someone else wrote something like "Actually, it's exactly as it was designed to work."

 

So embarrassing. For everyone. But especially progressives.

[OCinBuffalo]

Never mind your opinion on health care and health insurance...does ANYONE still believe this specific law and its implementation isn't completely !@#$ed?

Hehehe. Small mind. Looks like somebody has been watching too much Fox News.

 

You just aren't capable of seeing the brillance of the design, are you? So, you sit in your little office, in your little world, and spew hateful things on the internet. This is why we need the more enlightened people to make the decisions, because if it was left to people like you, nothing would ever be done, and what was would be done with as little concern for the downtrodden as possible.

 

See Tom, you simply aren't committed enough to a better society. I question your belief in it as well. Until such time as your beliefs match those who do understand the world correctly, you simply won't be able to comprehend things like Obamacare.

[birdog1960]

Obamacare ironically will end-up being the #1 reason the US will never move to single-payor system.

no it won't. private insurance was out of reach for an ever expanding portion of the population before the aca. it will only get worse and fairly soon will price itself out of the market to the majority of americans. guess what will fill the void?

 

Specialists make more in every field. That isn't unique to medicine.

nonsense. draw an analogy to another profession where the majority of workers are specialists and routinely make multiples of generalists. architects? lawyers? engineers? nope, not even close. this is a unique and damaging situation. specialists make more in part because they cost more. and the concentration of them in our system hasn't produced better outcomes than more primary care based systems. the old saying that "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" holds in medicine, too. surprise, surprise...a system with many proceduralists does many more expensive procedures. Edited July 3, 2013 by birdog1960

[OCinBuffalo]

no it won't. private insurance was out of reach for an ever expanding portion of the population before the aca. it will only get worse and fairly soon will price itself out of the market to the majority of americans. guess what will fill the void?

Do you think this is news? The Democratic game plan has been well known to many for years. It's only you that thinks you're being clever. But, I have news. Just as you are the only one who sees what they are up to, and why, the outcome you describe isn't the only one either.

 

I have a feeling, and let's just say: it's based on experience with people like yourself, that in the end you will get the opposite of what you intended. I mean, you liberals do have a long and broad history of getting the opposite of your intentions, do you not?

 

But, I refuse to give you the answer. What would be the point? In the end we'll see who is right. For now, the funny part for me is that I've been in heath care less time than you, yet I can see multiple paths here, and you can see only one? How is that possible?

nonsense. draw an analogy to another profession where the majority of workers are specialists and routinely make multiples of generalists. architects? lawyers? engineers? nope, not even close. this is a unique and damaging situation. specialists make more in part because they cost more. and the concentration of them in our system hasn't produced better outcomes than more primary care based systems. the old saying that "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" holds in medicine, too. surprise, surprise...a system with many proceduralists does many more expensive procedures.

Nonsense again. I am your analogy. I exist and my specialities exist for a single purpose: necessity. How I obtained them: default. Somebody had to do them, and the older, wiser generalists wanted nothing to do with them. Why risk being fired when you can just do your standard GUI/app code, and leave the complicated analytics and workflow stuff to the kid?

 

More examples? The partner we have who specializes only in business process in health care charges 3x the rate of other consultants. The SQL specialist guy I know who bills 2x as much as any other DBA type. The guy I met at my first internship who could cluster Vaxes. The guys I've routinely met since, who cluster Oracle. People that are willing to take on the risk, and suffer the consequences, if the clustering turns into cluster F? Specialists. Elite Specialists. There are some people who do nothing but integration of multiple messy systems with multiple divisional presidents who hate each other. They actually enjoy that, and yeah, they get paid a hell of a lot more than the guy who does IT for the hospital.

 

Again birdog, this is about you, your choices, and your values. It is not based on economics, or reality. Specialists do in fact exist in every industy, and they are paid accordingly. But let's get back to yours, and kill off your argument:

 

Who is willing and able to do heart surgery? What are the consequences for failure? Who is willing to do it in spite of the consequences? How much time does the head of the elite cardio department of the elite hospital spend at home...picking out squash?

 

See the thing is birdog: I personally know the head of that department, and what his life is like, and, I've read enough about you to know what your life is like(see squash).

 

You aren't the same people, what he does is 100% by necessity, and yeah, he deserves to be paid 5x as much as you do, at least.

[birdog1960]

Do you think this is news? The Democratic game plan has been well known to many for years. It's only you that thinks you're being clever. But, I have news. Just as you are the only one who sees what they are up to, and why, the outcome you describe isn't the only one either.

 

I have a feeling, and let's just say: it's based on experience with people like yourself, that in the end you will get the opposite of what you intended. I mean, you liberals do have a long and broad history of getting the opposite of your intentions, do you not?

 

But, I refuse to give you the answer. What would be the point? In the end we'll see who is right. For now, the funny part for me is that I've been in heath care less time than you, yet I can see multiple paths here, and you can see only one? How is that possible?

 

Nonsense again. I am your analogy. I exist and my specialities exist for a single purpose: necessity. How I obtained them: default. Somebody had to do them, and the older, wiser generalists wanted nothing to do with them. Why risk being fired when you can just do your standard GUI/app code, and leave the complicated analytics and workflow stuff to the kid?

 

More examples? The partner we have who specializes only in business process in health care charges 3x the rate of other consultants. The SQL specialist guy I know who bills 2x as much as any other DBA type. The guy I met at my first internship who could cluster Vaxes. The guys I've routinely met since, who cluster Oracle. People that are willing to take on the risk, and suffer the consequences, if the clustering turns into cluster F? Specialists. Elite Specialists. There are some people who do nothing but integration of multiple messy systems with multiple divisional presidents who hate each other. They actually enjoy that, and yeah, they get paid a hell of a lot more than the guy who does IT for the hospital.

 

Again birdog, this is about you, your choices, and your values. It is not based on economics, or reality. Specialists do in fact exist in every industy, and they are paid accordingly. But let's get back to yours, and kill off your argument:

 

Who is willing and able to do heart surgery? What are the consequences for failure? Who is willing to do it in spite of the consequences? How much time does the head of the elite cardio department of the elite hospital spend at home...picking out squash?

 

See the thing is birdog: I personally know the head of that department, and what his life is like, and, I've read enough about you to know what your life is like(see squash).

 

You aren't the same people, what he does is 100% by necessity, and yeah, he deserves to be paid 5x as much as you do, at least.

you really don't know much about what happens in and around hospitals do you? necessity? do you realize how many tests and procedures of questionable or even negative value are done every day.? done without compelling evidence of benefit and sometimes with compelling evidence of harm. if your hammer is a catheter you do lots of caths. a scalpel, lots of surgery. a radiology suite, lots of xrays. (the number of CT scans done last year is staggering, somewhere around 1 for every 4 americans or so). hospitals spend fortunes on new revenue producing technology with little or no evidence of benefit every day (there are very few cardiology tests of proven survival benefit, for example).and your analogies don't hold up. you didn't cite any professions where specialists outnumber generalist with that wide of pay disparities. consultants? try telling many engineers that the move to consultants jobs has been good for their profession. many are now pining for the good old days of a steady job at a steady company. interesting theory tying food preferences to intrinsic value tho. maybe you should try publishing that somewhere other than tbd.