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[OCinBuffalo]

I'd have no problem with going down the lawsuite route but I suspect (though I'm certainly no law expert) that it would be next to impossible to make anything stick.

The objectives, in order of priority:

 

1. Cause chaos for radical Islam

2. Cause them to spend $, lots of it, on lawyers

3. Expose their daily activities to the media, which will make people take notice, and embarrass the hell of out them-->make them a joke. Nobody is afraid of a joke. Thus, terror is impossible to achieve

4. Win the cases

5. Make some money

 

If are getting 1-3 accomplished, with only the occasional 4-5 happening, then this plan is: at plan.

[Just Jack]

The whole thing was a false flag, made up...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfa3gXTqOH8&feature=player_embedded

 

There's also an overhead video of when the cops came

[OCinBuffalo]

Do you think we can sue this church? Sounds pretty inflammatory to me.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEMZHQsQJ6Y

No, because where is the threat of violence.

 

Bitching, which is what you can boil this guy's entire schtick down to, is not threatening.

 

Now, why anybody would want to sit and listen to some guy B word...for an hour? Bad judgement.

[chicot]

I have no reason to doubt what you say, but in this particular case I wonder if they have an "good enough excuse to protest". Reminder: Below is their excuse.

 

 

The thing is the EDL and their ilk have been around in various guises long before radical Islam became a problem. Not to put too fine a point on it, these people are morons and they have to have someone else to blame their problems on rather than look in the mirror. In the past, they would hate ethnic minorities for various reasons such as taking their jobs, getting earlier access to social housing ...etc. Now that people are (rightfully) concerned about the rise of Islamic extremism they have made that their cause celebre rather than their usual bs. Don't be fooled though - even if there was no problem with radical Islam, they would find some other stick (both metaphorical and literal in some cases) with which to beat Johnny Foreigner.

 

There's rational and valid ways to respond to this atrocity. Some sort of inter-communal march to show that we are all opposed to this would be a valid response. Throwing bottles at the police and trying to incite racial hatred is neither valid nor rational.

[Dante]

So how much of this is fake? The blood on the hands? The entire thing? What about the cops shooting the guys charging them? The cops staged that? I don't understand.

[DC Tom]

So how much of this is fake? The blood on the hands? The entire thing? What about the cops shooting the guys charging them? The cops staged that? I don't understand.

 

It's a false flag MKUltra Mossad operation ordered by the Bilderbergers.

 

Just like the Boston Marathon. John in Jax told me so.

[4merper4mer]

The thing is the EDL and their ilk have been around in various guises long before radical Islam became a problem. Not to put too fine a point on it, these people are morons and they have to have someone else to blame their problems on rather than look in the mirror. In the past, they would hate ethnic minorities for various reasons such as taking their jobs, getting earlier access to social housing ...etc. Now that people are (rightfully) concerned about the rise of Islamic extremism they have made that their cause celebre rather than their usual bs. Don't be fooled though - even if there was no problem with radical Islam, they would find some other stick (both metaphorical and literal in some cases) with which to beat Johnny Foreigner.

 

There's rational and valid ways to respond to this atrocity. Some sort of inter-communal march to show that we are all opposed to this would be a valid response. Throwing bottles at the police and trying to incite racial hatred is neither valid nor rational.

 

I don't doubt those guys are losers. The part I bolded undoubtedly applies to them. It also applies to the KKK here, radical Islamists, and commies everywhere. Commies are a little better as they only blame some people and mostly blame stuff like Global warming, hydrofracking, non-equal rights for transvestites and stuff like that.

[Fan in San Diego]

I would think that there might be a very violent response, and not something as trite as bottles at police. I would hope that there isn't, as the very last thing anybody wants more death of innocent people. I would hope that a more intelligent solution arises, and I want to see what you think about it:

 

When does radical Islam become something that must be eradicated with 0 tolerance, no different than the KKK, chicot?

 

If I was a lawyer in England, the first thing I would do when these guys are found guilty? File a lawsuit on behalf of the dead guy's family against their families, their mosque, everybody who belongs to it, the al-Muhajiroun group they belonged to, and everybody that was ever in that group. Hit them all in the wallet, and at the very least force them all to pay lawyers and defend themselves as a group, and individually in civil court.

 

You want to live in the West? Fine, but, if you want to act like this? Then welcome to our civil court system.

 

Easy money. That's how the Southern Poverty Law Center made all their $, and some smart British lawyer could do the same. Make it so they can't even afford printer paper, just like the SPLC did with the KKK. Make it impossible for them to radicalize anybody, because every time they meet, you sue them all, all over again. Based on what? Conspiracy to deprive the entire American people of their civil rights. I'm no lawyer, but, we do have cases like this here all the time, and while many are ridiculous, we still have them.

 

Why should I care if this Fs some of them over unfairly? That's the price you pay for DECADES of toleration of idiocy in the name of your religion, while doing 0 about it. A couple of lawsuits later, what are the chances that the next time somebody is screaming Jihad on the street, we see non-radical Muslim guys, who don't want to get sued, cracking heads, and thankfully, not EDL hooligans?

 

The solution to radical Islam MUST come from refusal to tolerate it by decent Muslims, no different than the solution to white racism MUST come from refusal to tolerate it by decent white people. These lawsuits just help kick start that 0 tolerance policy.

 

That seems like a much more reasonable, effective and damaging way to attack these people, than bottles and hooligan behavior.

 

Interesting POV. I was wondering what a more reasonable approach to show disgust for radical Islam taking innocent lives could be. This sounds better than writing my congressman to protest.

[Chef Jim]

The whole thing was a false flag, made up...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfa3gXTqOH8&feature=player_embedded

 

There's also an overhead video of when the cops came

 

Well now, there you have it. I'm thoroughly convinced.

[B-Man]

And Again...

By Mark Steyn

 

A soldier has been stabbed on the outskirts of Paris, although unlike Drummer Rigby in Woolwich, the French soldier was on duty:

“The aim was to kill the soldier because he was a soldier,” Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian told CNN affiliate BFMTV. The attacker wanted “to kill a soldier who is in charge of French security,” he said.

 

Police are looking for a member of the Paris branch of the Amalgamated Union of Lone Wolves:

A police union spokesman said surveillance footage of the attacker showed him as tall and bearded, aged about 35, possibly of North African origin and wearing a white Arab-style tunic.

 

Come to think of it, why are armed soldiers patroling a commercial district just west of Paris?

The soldier was on patrol as part of a heightened security plan initiated in certain areas following France’s intervention in Mali earlier this year, French President Francois Hollande said.

 

The “heightened security” doesn’t seem to heighten security:

The 23-year-old was patrolling in uniform with two other soldiers as part of France’s Vigipirate anti-terror surveillance plan when he was approached from behind around 6 p.m. and attacked with a knife or a box-cutter.

 

He has apparently lost a lot of blood. The very names of these crime scenes mock the fin de civilisation west: Drummer Rigby was killed on Wellington Street, named for the Iron Duke, and the French soldier stabbed in La Défense, named after the famous statue commemorating the French resistance against the Prussians in the Siege of Paris.

Edited May 26, 2013 by B-Man

[B-Man]

and even more in Sweden............

 

 

Mission Statement

By Mark Steyn

 

For the last week, Stockholm has been lit up by what the great Australian wag Tim Blair calls the nightly car-b-q, started by “youths” after the police shooting of (you’ll never guess!) a Muslim man waving a machete. John Hinderaker notes that the authorities are taking a somewhat insouciant attitude to their blazing metropolis:

But while the Stockholm riots keep spreading and intensifying, Swedish police have adopted a tactic of non-interference. ”Our ambition is really to do as little as possible,” Stockholm Chief of Police Mats Löfving explained to the Swedish newspaper Expressen on Tuesday.

 

I assumed something had got a little lost in translation there. But no:

Vårt mål är att egentligen att göra så lite som möjligt…

 

“Our goal is really to do as little as possible.” Chief Löfving’s media relations officer, Lars Byström, elaborates:

We go to the crime scenes, but when we get there we stand and wait.

 

That’s not strictly true. They are handing out parking tickets to the burnt-out cars. Seriously.

 

Meanwhile, in Britain, the constabulary of a nation where men are hacked to death on the street in broad daylight are arresting Tweeters who Tweet insufficiently culturally sensitive Tweets about the unfortunate incident – and sending three coppers to warn an 86-year old lady that the cheese wheel she makes for the annual cheese-rolling competition is a threat to public safety.

 

This is how it’ll go. As western governments lose their ability to impact anything that matters, they’ll become ever more coercive about all the little stuff. Heaven help the first granny who takes down a machete-wielding jihadist with an oversized cheese wheel.

 

 

Added...................... TAKIN’ IT TO THE STREETS: Swedish Citizens Take to Streets to Defend Property From Rioting Immigrants. If the authorities fail to act responsibly, other forms of authority will assert themselves. They may not be as responsible, but they will act.

Edited May 26, 2013 by B-Man

[OCinBuffalo]

Added...................... TAKIN’ IT TO THE STREETS: Swedish Citizens Take to Streets to Defend Property From Rioting Immigrants. If the authorities fail to act responsibly, other forms of authority will assert themselves. They may not be as responsible, but they will act.

And, what happens when the street-taking citizens find out that, in fact, they can protect their property quite efficiently? What happens when they become more feared than the police? What happens when the police fear them as well? What happens when policing, both from the ground and the leadership level, gets back to being about policing, first, and not about a jobs program first, and an extension of wing nut PC policy, second? What happens when the police aren't just paid, health-cared, retirement planned, decorations of authority....but are actual lawmen, unpaid, un-PCed, un-government provided for? (Lawpeople?)

 

Answer: the end of liberal socialism, progressivism...whatever we are calling it these days.

 

Everywhere I look, I see the same pattern. The entire leftist agenda is falling in on itself, and everything they do(the important things), either increases the magnitude of it, speeds it along, or both. The cops response is to do as little as possible, and that is their public, stated response?

 

This fascinates me. Only a very few of them understand what is happening, see here: http://swampland.time.com/2013/04/02/obamacare-incompetence/, and what THEY are doing to themselves. In the link, the ENTIRE PREMISE of the program is that only government can take on such a big project, and in failing to take it on, they not only belie that premise, they are proving why government is the last thing you want handling the matter.

 

The damage they have done to their brand since 2006 is uncanny. It is the exact opposite of what I expected. But this pattern of behavior is unmistakeable.

 

In a single 10 year period, the people at the controls of the left have completely destroyed the faith in government that the previous 60 years had built. And believe me when I tell you: we are only seeing the beginning, and I don't like any of this at all. There are far too many potentially dangerous outcomes.

[B-Man]

DEMOCRACY,

 

MULTICULTURALISM,

 

OPEN IMMIGRATION:

 

Pick Any Two.

 

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Plus, some background on the UK’s immigration scandal.

 

“It was alleged that the document showed that Labour had overseen a deliberate open-door ­policy on immigration to boost multi-culturalism. Voting trends indicate that migrants and their descendants are much more likely to vote Labour.”

Edited May 27, 2013 by B-Man

[DC Tom]

DEMOCRACY,

 

MULTICULTURALISM,

 

OPEN IMMIGRATION:

 

Pick Any Two.

 

.

 

 

 

Plus, some background on the UK’s immigration scandal.

 

“It was alleged that the document showed that Labour had overseen a deliberate open-door ­policy on immigration to boost multi-culturalism. Voting trends indicate that migrants and their descendants are much more likely to vote Labour.”

 

Spray paint "Islam" in English on a Bomber Command memorial? That really makes a strong statement...namely, "I have no !@#$ing idea what I'm doing, I'm just a bored soccer hooligan."

[4merper4mer]

Spray paint "Islam" in English on a Bomber Command memorial? That really makes a strong statement...namely, "I have no !@#$ing idea what I'm doing, I'm just a bored soccer hooligan."

 

Redundant

[B-Man]

“Self-radicalised”: One of the most know nothing, numb skulled misconceptions to date,

 

 

 

 

 

Woolwich attack: 'Lone wolves’ who run with the pack

 

The reaction to the murder of Lee Rigby was as predictable as the story of the suspects

 

 

No British soldier has ever been killed like this – not even in battle, let alone in the London suburbs during the Wednesday lunch hour. But the reactions to the murder of Drummer Lee Rigby followed a much more familiar pattern.

 

 

Journalists and analysts rushed to explain the attack as the work of “lone wolves”, “self-radicalised” online. Politicians demanded crackdowns on jihadi websites and the revival of the so-called “snoopers’ charter”, a Bill allowing the authorities to monitor the internet use of every person in the country, in the belief that the plot could somehow then have been detected.

 

 

But the parrot-cry that the most serious terrorists are radicalised in a vacuum, alone in their bedrooms, is almost never true. It is rather a large step to go out with a machete and murder in cold blood a total stranger. It is the culmination of a long journey between normality and fanaticism, usually (if not quite always) needing help from other people on the way.

 

 

For the main suspect in Woolwich, Michael Adebolajo, the evidence against the “lone wolf” thesis stared us all particularly hard in the face. Like no fewer than 28 Islamist terrorists – just under a fifth of all those ever convicted in Britain – Adebolajo had clear links with the radical group al-Muhajiroun and its central figures, Omar Bakri Mohammed and Anjem Choudary.

 

 

He was a familiar figure at their demonstrations, and those organised by their front groups after al-Muhajiroun itself was banned.

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10080864/Woolwich-attack-Lone-wolves-who-run-with-the-pack.html

[OCinBuffalo]

The above is why I say: SUE THEM ALL.

 

This is no joke, I am seriously considering starting a 501c4, no different than the SPLC, whose donors are anonymous, whose sole job is to sue to crap out of radical Islam everywhere it can, world wide.

 

It's existence is by definition a violation of multiple human and civil rights laws, treaties, and, it has never been shown to provide any benefit to the world, or individuals. In fact, it has proven to be the opposite: those that participate either stay the same, or move backwards, in terms of civilization.

 

Scientology is a problem. Radical Islam is a war. Why not fight this war on every front available to us, no different than Reagan did with Communism?

 

Of course, I have a lot to learn about how to go about doing this, and/or if there is some hangup. But that's what I have you guys for...

Edited May 28, 2013 by OCinBuffalo

[B-Man]

For Tom,

 

 

 

If Ye Break Faith With Us Who Die...

By Mark Steyn

 

On this Memorial Day in America, two of London’s war memorials have been defaced and spray-painted with the word “ISLAM”.

 

Police seem to be rethinking their earlier hints that it may be the work of “right-wing groups seeking to inflame anti-Muslim sentiment” – rather than, say, Muslims.

 

On behalf of his 77,000 dead comrades in Bomber Command, 89-year old Douglas Radcliffe is standing guard at the memorial until the graffitti is removed. Mr Radcliffe was a 17-year old BBC messenger boy when the Germans bombed Broadcasting House, killing seven young ladies in the music library. “I was there when they brought the bodies out and that was what made me decide to join up.”

 

The past is another country, wrote L P Hartley. For Mr Radcliffe, today’s Britain is a foreign land.

Edited May 28, 2013 by B-Man

[Telepathic]

The above is why I say: SUE THEM ALL.

 

This is no joke, I am seriously considering starting a 501c4, no different than the SPLC, whose donors are anonymous, whose sole job is to sue to crap out of radical Islam everywhere it can, world wide.

 

It's existence is by definition a violation of multiple human and civil rights laws, treaties, and, it has never been shown to provide any benefit to the world, or individuals. In fact, it has proven to be the opposite: those that participate either stay the same, or move backwards, in terms of civilization.

 

Scientology is a problem. Radical Islam is a war. Why not fight this war on every front available to us, no different than Reagan did with Communism?

 

Of course, I have a lot to learn about how to go about doing this, and/or if there is some hangup. But that's what I have you guys for...

Principles are only valid if you stick with them when they're a burden as well as a benefit. Declaring war on a religion is fundamentally anti-American; which is why your proposal shouldn't be considered seriously in my opinion.

[OCinBuffalo]

Principles are only valid if you stick with them when they're a burden as well as a benefit. Declaring war on a religion is fundamentally anti-American; which is why your proposal shouldn't be considered seriously in my opinion.

Oh...but you forget: radical Islam, is not Islam, if we are to take what Obama, and everybody else on the left, says seriously.

 

So, in fact, per their definition, I am NOT declaring war on Islam in any way.

 

I am declaring war on something, that is supposedly, NOT Islam.

 

Put that in your pipe.....and remember that if radical Islam is Islam, then, the KKK "religion" they espouse is Christianity.

 

Edit: and, since radical Islam is not Islam, my principals values stay intact.

Edited May 28, 2013 by OCinBuffalo