Dorkington Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 LOL at all of you interpreting the rotation of OTA QB reps as any indication of who will be the Bills' starting QB on September 8. So we can speculate about other positions, but QB talk is LOL-worthy? I'll have to check the TBD rule book next time, sorry.
eball Posted May 30, 2013 Author Posted May 30, 2013 So we can speculate about other positions, but QB talk is LOL-worthy? I'll have to check the TBD rule book next time, sorry. Oh, don't get your panties in a bunch. If you want to believe Manuel isn't going to start because he's not getting as many OTA reps, be my guest. I'll be sitting in the corner, smirking.
Dorkington Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) Oh, don't get your panties in a bunch. If you want to believe Manuel isn't going to start because he's not getting as many OTA reps, be my guest. I'll be sitting in the corner, smirking. Who said I believe it specifically because of OTA reps? And, commando all the way, panties bunch too often. -- He's not being handed the seat out the gate, that's already working against him. You got two veterans on the roster with varied success. And nothing the staff has said indicates they are in any rush to throw EJ into the starting role. It's not a BAD thing that EJ might not be the starter in week one, and it's certainly nothing more than a fan guessing like any other fan guessing about any other position. Or are you smirking at yourself too when you talk depth charts? Edited May 30, 2013 by Dorkington
eball Posted May 30, 2013 Author Posted May 30, 2013 He's not being handed the seat out the gate, that's already working against him. You got two veterans on the roster with varied success. And nothing the staff has said indicates they are in any rush to throw EJ into the starting role. It's not a BAD thing that EJ might not be the starter in week one, and it's certainly nothing more than a fan guessing like any other fan guessing about any other position. Or are you smirking at yourself too when you talk depth charts? Nobody thought he'd be handed the job out of the gate. All along Marrone said they'll have an open competition and the best guy will play. I'm merely suggesting that unless you're reading reports of Manuel looking lost out there, or throwing a ton of picks against guys in shorts, drawing conclusions about who might start is pretty pointless. But by all means, guess away. Truthfully, I will view it somewhat negatively if Manuel doesn't beat out Kolb and Jackson for the job. His physical attributes are clearly superior, and if he's as smart a guy as we're being led to believe he should be able to grasp the playbook. I'll be disappointed if he's not starting against the Pats.* I don't think I've discussed the Bills' depth chart this offseason. I usually wait to get into that conversation until preseason starts, and even then, I realize my opinion is far less educated than it needs to be to carry any weight.
FLFan Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 Oh, don't get your panties in a bunch. If you want to believe Manuel isn't going to start because he's not getting as many OTA reps, be my guest. I'll be sitting in the corner, smirking. That was not his point or mine either. In fact I believe both of us said that the number of reps Manuel is getting is no indication of his status at the beginning of the year, more an indication of Marone needing to figure out which of the stop gap QBs on the roster he will keep. I speculated, as I believe did Dorkington, that Manuel may not be ready to start Day 1, but not because of the reps he is getting now. I respect you eball but I think your LOL comment was off the mark.
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 Can we keep things in perspective? I think everyone, and I mean everyone who was talking about EJ Manuel before the draft had the same line: "He's easily the most physically gifted out there, but he needs refinement." Why are we getting upset about having two very reasonable people ahead of him get first shot while he gets more time to work on mechanics, master the playbook and get used to the speed of the game like Colin Kaepernick did in San Fran?
NickelCity Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 Day 9 Notes: http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-2/OTA-Practice-Notes---Day-9/93bc6b4e-cc4a-4435-8a5e-770252f7bb8a
3rdand12 Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) Can we keep things in perspective? I think everyone, and I mean everyone who was talking about EJ Manuel before the draft had the same line: "He's easily the most physically gifted out there, but he needs refinement." Why are we getting upset about having two very reasonable people ahead of him get first shot while he gets more time to work on mechanics, master the playbook and get used to the speed of the game like Colin Kaepernick did in San Fran? Let Manuel learn Let Vets get reps, and mentor the rookies , wide recievers and TE especially.That goes a long ways in my opinion and a good investment. Some of the pressers and what i have read sound like the Vets really are getting the rookies up to speed nicely. And since we have a bazillion of rookies and nearly rookies this year i think the leadership and respect due experienced QBs help out as coaching tools too. The veteran QB's would do well to talk with the youngster DBs and help them up to speed imo Edited May 30, 2013 by 3rdand12
FireChan Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 Knowing the Bills luck, Rogers will break an ankle on a stray water bottle on the last day of OTA's.
eball Posted May 30, 2013 Author Posted May 30, 2013 I respect you eball but I think your LOL comment was off the mark. I think we all occasionally forget this is all in good fun.
Dorkington Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 Back on topic I'm known for being relatively pessimistic compared to some, but I can't help but be excited about our defensive changes. I reallllly can't wait to see our team in live action. Feels like forever since I've seen blitzes. Fun times.
eball Posted May 31, 2013 Author Posted May 31, 2013 Back on topic I'm known for being relatively pessimistic compared to some, but I can't help but be excited about our defensive changes. I reallllly can't wait to see our team in live action. Feels like forever since I've seen blitzes. Fun times. Absolutely. Also liked the specific mention of EJ picking up a couple of blitzes and hitting hot reads. Seems as though that's always the biggest issue for rookies, identifying blitzes.
KeisterHollow Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Absolutely. Also liked the specific mention of EJ picking up a couple of blitzes and hitting hot reads. Seems as though that's always the biggest issue for rookies, identifying blitzes. Yeah - I zeroed in on that, too. And, I heard Marrone talk about how good EJ's been doing, and that he expected him to do so, but that EJ's almost exceeded expectations (which, I think, might be attributed to EJ's picking up on those blitzes, whereas Kolb and Jackson have been getting sacked quite a bit, I've read), and that the overall depth chart for the QB's going into camp IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE. That, to me, is indicative of EJ's progress and his chances at starting - which is to say, it's NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION that he is the week 1 starter, at this point. They haven't ruled it out. I think it comes down to Kolb and EJ, and if they believe Kolb gives us a better chance at winning, then I'll support that view. However, I really think EJ's got the leg up to start on game day because Kolb has shown a susceptibility to get sacks. We'll see.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Yesterday in his interview on BB.com, Marrone was asked whether Kolb was ahead of the other QBs in picking up the offense. In very short order Marrone turned the question into an opportunity to praise EJ on how quickly he's picking things up as a rookie. This was yesterday following the session where EJ had fewer snaps than Kolb and Jackson.
NickelCity Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Day 9 RoundUp: http://www.buffalobills.com/media-center/videos/Bills-Roundup-Defensive-Pressure-Thu-Highlights/99547cef-7dc7-4081-8b52-e84f0179edf4
Dorkington Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Absolutely. Also liked the specific mention of EJ picking up a couple of blitzes and hitting hot reads. Seems as though that's always the biggest issue for rookies, identifying blitzes. Indeed!
Doc Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Yeah - I zeroed in on that, too. And, I heard Marrone talk about how good EJ's been doing, and that he expected him to do so, but that EJ's almost exceeded expectations (which, I think, might be attributed to EJ's picking up on those blitzes, whereas Kolb and Jackson have been getting sacked quite a bit, I've read), and that the overall depth chart for the QB's going into camp IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE. That, to me, is indicative of EJ's progress and his chances at starting - which is to say, it's NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION that he is the week 1 starter, at this point. They haven't ruled it out. I think it comes down to Kolb and EJ, and if they believe Kolb gives us a better chance at winning, then I'll support that view. However, I really think EJ's got the leg up to start on game day because Kolb has shown a susceptibility to get sacks. We'll see. Yesterday in his interview on BB.com, Marrone was asked whether Kolb was ahead of the other QBs in picking up the offense. In very short order Marrone turned the question into an opportunity to praise EJ on how quickly he's picking things up as a rookie. This was yesterday following the session where EJ had fewer snaps than Kolb and Jackson. I missed that video. Thanks for pointing it out. I agree with both of you that Marrone, even though he didn't want to say it, was surprised, if not impressed, at how quickly EJ has picked things up. And the blitz pickups are certainly encouraging. The refusal to say who is ahead and that it will be tough lead me to believe that EJ will get the starting nod since it's a new regime and he's viewed as their future, so what better time to get the future started?
NickelCity Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 However, I really think EJ's got the leg up to start on game day because Kolb has shown a susceptibility to get sacks. We'll see. I know it's just OTAs, but holy smokes does Kolb hang on to the ball for an eternity. If he is named the starter, I hope he exceeds my expectations. Count me on the EJ train though. Hopefully the snap count is, as others put it, a means to identify who EJ's primary competition will be - Kolb or Jackson.
OCinBuffalo Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Can we keep things in perspective? Do you realize where you are, and to whom you are asking this? Perspective: I just spent 30 minutes listening to a guy who knows patio awnings, defining what exactly is wrong with the one they installed at the bar I was at. Now, if I can do that, then, we should all be able to have a little more patience with posters, right? Wrong. This is a message board, and though it has a relatively high reputation for being reasoned and knowledgeable: it's still a message board. My patience, and yours as well, is irrelevant. Here's why: There are going to be posters, no different than in politics, who make a decision to support/decry EJM. The posters who end up being wrong, empirically, will end up defending their position no matter what. You are asking for people, who are already psychologically committed to EJM being a horrible draft pick...to have perspective? We live in a world today, since 2000, where dignity, and especially, honor, no longer exist for most people. Where their heroes turn out to be incompetent buffoons, but they defend them, only because they never bothered to actually find out who they really were in the first place, and now they'd rather eat the crap, than admit they were wrong. My uncle swore up and down that Ryan Miller was horrible, the season before he won the Vezina. Oops. This is because he had committed himself to Biron being the better choice 2 years prior. So, as things got worse for him, he decided to push all in, and hope that he was vindicated. FAIL. The difference between my uncle and most people? He admitted to us that he was wrong. It took a lot but in the end he did the right thing.
Dorkington Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 There are going to be posters, no different than in politics, who make a decision to support/decry EJM. The posters who end up being wrong, empirically, will end up defending their position no matter what. You are asking for people, who are already psychologically committed to EJM being a horrible draft pick...to have perspective? For clarity's purpose, I wasn't claiming that EJ is terrible, or a bad pick, or whatever. Just that it's very possible he doesn't start the season as the #1 QB based on what we've seen so far (and again, those aren't damning observations, by any stretch). It's not uncommon for a rookie QB to start as a backup.
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