3rdnlng Posted June 6, 2013 Posted June 6, 2013 Quit being an idiot. You're speculating that because they met, they hatched a grand plan either 1) when they met, which is a ridiculous allegation, or 2) before they met, in secret meetings we don't know about, which is an even MORE ridiculous allegation. And THEN you're speculating that they got this moving in less than a day from the word "go," which is a SUPREMELY ridiculous allegation. All based on one meeting the day before. Get real, moron. No, you assmudgeon, I'm pointing out that with all the prior traffic from the IRS to the WH, with both the IRS and the WH despising the Tea Party, with the WH penchance for Chicago style politics, it's just a little too coincidental that within days of that meeting intimidating letters were sent out from the IRS to Tea Party type organizations. Furthermore, it seems a little odd that the POTUS would be meeting with a union president. In addition, I'm not alleging that they did this. I was speculating that it could be possible. You'd be much better off taking a look at the whole situation and figuring out if my speculation was plausible rather than try to put words in my mouth so that you can attempt to be the big bully.
OCinBuffalo Posted June 6, 2013 Posted June 6, 2013 (edited) But, Tom IS the big bully. ............... The only other thing I would add is: when it comes to the political, Obama is amazingly efficient. Is he not? Just saying, it might be worth considering that if it involves politics and politics only, Obama seems to light a fire under his own ass, never mind other people's. The man could probably move mountains, if he were a real problem solver, and not merely a rabble rouser, who is the more satisfied as the AntiPresident. It's a waste of talent, and therefore a sin. Obama is the Leon Lett of leadership. Proven potential for greatness, wasted on pettiness, stupidity, and failed ideology. Edited June 6, 2013 by OCinBuffalo
3rdnlng Posted June 6, 2013 Posted June 6, 2013 But, Tom IS the big bully. ............... The only other thing I would add is: when it comes to the political, Obama is amazingly efficient. Is he not? Just saying, it might be worth considering that if it involves politics and politics only, Obama seems to light a fire under his own ass, never mind other people's. The man could probably move mountains, if he were a real problem solver, and not merely a rabble rouser, who is the more satisfied as the AntiPresident. It's a waste of talent, and therefore a sin. Obama is the Leon Lett of leadership. Proven potential for greatness, wasted on pettiness, stupidity, and failed ideology. Tom is only the Big Bully if you let him be one. And yes, Obama has wasted his talents throughout his first term and his second term could be worse.
OCinBuffalo Posted June 6, 2013 Posted June 6, 2013 Tom is only the Big Bully if you let him be one. And yes, Obama has wasted his talents throughout his first term and his second term could be worse. Poor 3rdnlng, bless your heart. What on earth makes you think I don't want him to be one?
3rdnlng Posted June 6, 2013 Posted June 6, 2013 Poor 3rdnlng, bless your heart. What on earth makes you think I don't want him to be one? That's between you two. If you're happy being dominated, then I'm happy for you.
OCinBuffalo Posted June 6, 2013 Posted June 6, 2013 That's between you two. If you're happy being dominated, then I'm happy for you. Oh, 3rdnlng, bless your heart. What on earth makes you think that in that relationship, I'd be anything but the dominant one?
3rdnlng Posted June 6, 2013 Posted June 6, 2013 Oh, 3rdnlng, bless your heart. What on earth makes you think that in that relationship, I'd be anything but the dominant one? From your post #224: "What on earth makes you think I don't want him to be one"?
OCinBuffalo Posted June 6, 2013 Posted June 6, 2013 From your post #224: "What on earth makes you think I don't want him to be one"? What makes you think my second statement doesn't directly inform my first?
B-Man Posted June 6, 2013 Author Posted June 6, 2013 Oh for heavens sake..................... The IRS Scandal, Day 28 IRS Statement Regarding Two Employees Put on Administrative Leave ABC News: IRS Suspends Two After Probe of Lavish Conferences Bloomberg: Republicans See IRS Bias as Democrats Cite Mistakes CNN: Partisan Views of IRS Targeting: Political Conspiracy or Overzealous Scrutiny Fiscal Times: IRS Overkill on Tea Party: 64 Million Pages of Records Fox News: Coburn: Treasury Gave 'Inaccurate' Info on IRS Conference Spending Last Year Investor's Business Daily: Soros Groups Dodged Scrutiny, Pushed Tea Party Profiling New York Times: IRS Suspends Two for Taking Gifts NewsMax: Cincinnati IRS Employee: I Was ‘Essentially a Front Person’ for Washington Wall Street Journal op-ed: What Enron and the IRS Have in Common, by Steven Law Wall Street Journal: IRS Staff Cite Washington Link; Two Workers Tell Congress That Agency Officials Helped Direct Tea-Party Reviews Wall Street Journal: Two IRS Employees Put on Leave Over Conference Washington Examiner editorial: What Were IRS Biggies Really Doing at the White House? Washington Post: Conflicting Laws and IRS Rules Feed confusion Over Tea Party's Tax Status Washington Post: Conservative Groups Targeted by IRS Testify That Agency Demanded They Curtail Activities Washington Post: How Many Non-profits' Applications Are Still Caught in IRS Limbo? Nobody Knows Washington Post: No Evidence of Wide IRS Conspiracy Washington Post: Two IRS Officials Put on Administrative Leave for Accepting Gifts at Calif. Conference Washington Times; MSNBC Host Martin Bashir: IRS Is the New N-word in ‘War’ on Obama Weekly Standard: Dem. Congressman Blames IRS Victims For Being Targeted .
OCinBuffalo Posted June 6, 2013 Posted June 6, 2013 I really don't think any of these media !@#$tards, or liberal !@#$tards have any earthly idea that this scandal criminal investigation, is just getting started, and that this is actually going to be a 16 month thing, at the minimum. There's already enough to send people to Federal Pound Me In the Ass Prison, for 5+ years, because there's already evidence that multiple felonies have been committed. These media fools should ask themselves what happens when it's: doing a stretch in Federal Pound Me in the Ass Prison, or telling what you know, and doing a smaller stretch, for one or more of these people? That's what these idiots don't seem to get. No amount of "This is 1998 all over again" wishful thinking articles...is going to stop people from taking a plea bargain. And, as Slate, of all places, said yesterday: It's almost impossible for the Republicans to overreach, because the American people want to know WTF happened, exactly, and most don't believe Obama's story. That's why these "the Republicans are going to overreach", "this is 1998", "This is going to be great for Ds in 2014" columns... ...are merely exercises in FUTILITY. I think I will bring back that Avatar, as the Sabre Tank is getting old.
....lybob Posted June 6, 2013 Posted June 6, 2013 I really don't think any of these media !@#$tards, or liberal !@#$tards have any earthly idea that this scandal criminal investigation, is just getting started, and that this is actually going to be a 16 month thing, at the minimum. There's already enough to send people to Federal Pound Me In the Ass Prison, for 5+ years, because there's already evidence that multiple felonies have been committed. These media fools should ask themselves what happens when it's: doing a stretch in Federal Pound Me in the Ass Prison, or telling what you know, and doing a smaller stretch, for one or more of these people? That's what these idiots don't seem to get. No amount of "This is 1998 all over again" wishful thinking articles...is going to stop people from taking a plea bargain. And, as Slate, of all places, said yesterday: It's almost impossible for the Republicans to overreach, because the American people want to know WTF happened, exactly, and most don't believe Obama's story. That's why these "the Republicans are going to overreach", "this is 1998", "This is going to be great for Ds in 2014" columns... ...are merely exercises in FUTILITY. I think I will bring back that Avatar, as the Sabre Tank is getting old. OC do you never tire of being wrong? here's an exercise for you, go to a mall and ask a thousand random people what they think about (the IRS scandal, the AP scandal or Benghazi) don't explain it just ask, I think you'll find about as much knowledge and interest as when I bring up LIBOR and ICAP manipulation or HSBC money laundering- the upcoming elections are going to depend on fund rising and demographics - you have been miserable in your political predictions and that is because you can't separate how you want things to be with how they are but I'll give you this, I think Obama has blown his chance at a third term.
B-Man Posted June 7, 2013 Author Posted June 7, 2013 Krauthammer’s Take: IRS Scandal ‘Not a Necessary Product of Big Government’ “Are we getting closer to big brother?” Chris Wallace asked on Special Report. “I think it depends on who’s in office,” Charles Krauthammer responded, before going onto a consideration of the Obama administration’s recent scandals. “The IRS [scandal] is not a necessary product of big government. It was a deliberate attempt to harass and hurt the conservative organizations,” said Krauthammer. “I don’t attribute [iRS targeting] to government in general. I think it has to do with an administration that reviles its enemies, marginalizes them, and tries to ostracize them, and considers them beyond the pale.” What has happened, argued Krauthammer, is that, “if you are going to give the government all that leeway to collect all that information, and I think in a world of terrorism you have to,you have to have a modicum of trust in the people who are doing it.” But most Americans have lost that trust.
B-Man Posted June 7, 2013 Author Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) An IRS Political Timeline President Obama spent months in 2010 warning Americans about the 'threat' to democracy posed by conservative groups, right at the time the IRS began targeting these groups. By KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL Perhaps the only useful part of the inspector general's audit of the IRS was its timeline. We know that it was August 2010 when the IRS issued its first "Be On the Lookout" list, flagging applications containing key conservative words and issues. The criteria would expand in the months to come. What else was happening in the summer and fall of 2010? The Obama administration and its allies continue to suggest the IRS was working in some political vacuum. What they'd rather everyone forget is that the IRS's first BOLO list coincided with their own attack against "shadowy" or "front" conservative groups that they claimed were rigging the electoral system. Aug. 9, 2010: In Texas, President Obama for the first time publicly names a group he is obsessed with—Americans for Prosperity (founded by the Koch Brothers)—and warns about conservative groups. Taking up a cry that had until then largely been confined to left-wing media and activists, he says: "Right now all around this country there are groups with harmless-sounding names like Americans for Prosperity, who are running millions of dollars of ads . . . And they don't have to say who exactly the Americans for Prosperity are. You don't know if it's a foreign-controlled corporation." Aug. 21: Mr. Obama devotes his weekly radio address to the threat of "attack ads run by shadowy groups with harmless-sounding names. We don't know who's behind these ads and we don't know who's paying for them. . . . You don't know if it's a foreign-controlled corporation. . . . The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide." { 10 more examples at link} These were not off-the-cuff remarks. They were repeated by the White House and echoed by its allies in campaign events, emails, social media and TV ads. The president of the United States spent months warning the country that "shadowy," conservative "front" groups—"posing" as tax-exempt entities and illegally controlled by "foreign" players—were engaged in "unsupervised" spending that posed a "threat" to democracy. Yet we are to believe that a few rogue IRS employees just happened during that time to begin systematically targeting conservative groups? A mere coincidence that among the things the IRS demanded of these groups were "copies of any contracts with and training materials provided by Americans for Prosperity"? This newspaper reported Thursday that Cincinnati IRS employees are now telling investigators that they took their orders from Washington. For anyone with a memory of 2010 politics, that was obvious from the start. http://online.wsj.co...Opinion_LEADTop Edited June 7, 2013 by B-Man
B-Man Posted June 11, 2013 Author Posted June 11, 2013 Wow: IRS Claims Law Protecting the Privacy of Taxpayer Information Also Protects the Privacy of Those Who Violate Taxpayer Privacy. Sorry if that headline is a bit unfathomable. Now that I can put it into a real sentence: The IRS leaked the National Organization for Marriage's donor lists to its political opponent, Human Rights Watch. This is illegal. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . In fact, this is breathtakingly illegal. NOM wants to know which IRS agent did this. The IRS is claiming they can't tell NOM who illegally leaked confidential information, because the law forbidding the disclosure of confidential information also protects the confidentiality of those who illegally leak such information! Astonishing.. . . . . . . . .Simply astonishing. In April 2012, the NOM asked the IRS for an investigation. The inspector general's office gave them a complaint number. Soon they were in touch. Even though the leaked document bore internal IRS markings, the inspector general decided that maybe the document came from within the NOM. The NOM demonstrated that was not true. For the next 14 months they heard nothing about an investigation. By August 2012, the NOM was filing Freedom of Information Act requests trying to find out if there was one. The IRS stonewalled. Their "latest nonresponse response," said Mr. Eastman, claimed that the law prohibiting the disclosure of confidential tax returns also prevents disclosure of information about who disclosed them. Mr. Eastman called this "Orwellian." He said that what the NOM experienced "suggests that problems at the IRS are potentially far more serious" than the targeting of conservative organizations for scrutiny. This is one of those situations where you cannot write a joke because the joke is actually the facts of the matter.
DC Tom Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 the law prohibiting the disclosure of confidential tax returns also prevents disclosure of information about who disclosed them. That actually makes complete sense in a government context.
Ralonzo Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 (edited) President Obama spent months in 2010 warning Americans about the 'threat' to democracy posed by conservative groups, right at the time the IRS began targeting these groups. And days before this IRS/Benghazi/NSA trifecta, there was this telling little tidbit from Barackus Obamus at the OSU commencement: Still, you’ll hear voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that’s the root of all our problems, even as they do their best to gum up the works; or that tyranny always lurks just around the corner. You should reject these voices. Oh? And how did you know these voices were about to start piping up, Edgar Cayce? How do you know what a leftist is up to? Precisely what they accuse their opponents of. Projection is the hallmark of the leftist; projection combined with contempt is the hallmark of these leftists. Edited June 11, 2013 by Ralonzo
1billsfan Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 Looks like it was a conservative republican who'd done it... http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/11/cummings-unnamed-conservative-republican-behind-irs-abuse/ “Based upon everything I’ve seen, the case is solved. And if it were me, I would wrap this case up and move on, to be frank with you,” Cummings said on CNN Sunday. LOL, truly amazing. Just when I don't think I can be shocked anymore, I read a story like this. There is obviously some "there there" and with Cummings' ridiculous protests it sure does seem like this eventually will lead all the way to the top.
DC Tom Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 Looks like it was a conservative republican who'd done it... http://dailycaller.c...hind-irs-abuse/ “Based upon everything I’ve seen, the case is solved. And if it were me, I would wrap this case up and move on, to be frank with you,” Cummings said on CNN Sunday. LOL, truly amazing. Just when I don't think I can be shocked anymore, I read a story like this. There is obviously some "there there" and with Cummings' ridiculous protests it sure does seem like this eventually will lead all the way to the top. He represents Baltimore. Enough said.
KD in CA Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 Tom is only the Big Bully if you let him be one. And yes, Obama has wasted his talents throughout his first term and his second term could be worse. Exactly which talents did he waste? The only talents I've seen so far are the ability to read off a TP with forcefulness and the ability to raise money. He hasn't come close to wasting those talents.
3rdnlng Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 Exactly which talents did he waste? The only talents I've seen so far are the ability to read off a TP with forcefulness and the ability to raise money. He hasn't come close to wasting those talents. Maybe talent wasn't the right word, but he was at one time able to get a lot of people believing in him and willing to run through a wall at his bequest. He had an opportunity to do what early on he said, but obviously didn't mean. He is a vile, mean spirited partisan hack looking out for no one but himself. When you add arrogance, incompetence and hubris to the equation you end up with trillions in debt and more scandals than can be kept track of.
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