PearlHowardman Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 The Bottom Line: There's way too many changes from the new HC down to the the players, scemes, etc, I would have waited a year to let the dust settle before finding a franchise QB in FA or the draft. Especially since the class of 2013 didn't have any stellar QBs.
KeisterHollow Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 The Bottom Line: There's way too many changes from the new HC down to the the players, scemes, etc, I would have waited a year to let the dust settle before finding a franchise QB in FA or the draft. Especially since the class of 2013 didn't have any stellar QBs. That whole "There's way too many changes for this team to be successful this year" mentality doesn't convince me - when a team hasn't surpassed 7 wins with a 3 year coaching staff, and that staff seems to be regressing, while running the simplist defense in the NFL, CHANGE is the only way the team is going to get better. Yeah, we have a new coaching staff and a bunch of new players, but lets not forget - THIS IS JUST FOOTBALL!!! These guys have been doing this their whole lives. All they have to do is learn their playbook - and they have the entire summer and early fall to do so - and, once the season starts, it's not a new team trying to do a whole years worth of work every week - it's a merely one-week-at-a-time game planning. Remember, Baltimore fired it's offensive Coordinator last year right before the end of the regular season, and the team IMPROVED enough to win the SuperBowl. It's fair to say had they not done that they wouldn't have been the SB winners. We can win this year. I'm not predicting Super Bowl. I am predicting 9 or 10 wins. And WE'LL BE GETTING BETTER from here out!
eball Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 If you subscribe to the notion there was a decent amount of talent already on the roster, coaching has been significantly upgraded, and several needs were adequately addressed (most importantly, at QB and WR), then there is no reason to believe the Bills can't turn a 6-10 record the other way. Or, you can take the opposite perspective (no talent, "raw" coaches, can't expect rookies to contribute) and conclude the Bills will go 2-14. It's your choice.
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 The Bottom Line: There's way too many changes from the new HC down to the the players, scemes, etc, I would have waited a year to let the dust settle before finding a franchise QB in FA or the draft. Especially since the class of 2013 didn't have any stellar QBs. You don't pick up a franchise QB in FA, if the Bills stink this coming year, draft another QB till you hit on the right one. Drafting QBs is such a crap shoot anyway. Either Franchise QB or just one that can be part of a Superbowl winning team, I don't care which, just as long as the coach and players can make it work and that won't be known until the end of next year unless some of you are Nostradamus and even then I am skeptical.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 Oh I agree that is the latest trend, but I disagree entirely that that is the only way to do it. The Dolphins did it without a great quarterback in the 70s, Even the team this year in Flacco wasn't the team's identity till the last game. Though the QB position can be very important, it doesn't always win superbowl otherwise Tom Brady would have at least 5 wins and it is not required, but that is the lastest catch term on ESPN and by repeating it over and over again like the drones at Fox news it has you all believing it. Pulease. To your first paragraph, I understand your point but FWIW, Bob Griese is in the Hall of Fame. To your second paragraph, 2003 (Brad Johnson) was the last year a Super Bowl was won by a QB who wasn't considered one of the top QBs in the game. Today it's considered essential to have a top caliber QB to even reach the Super Bowl.
tombstone56 Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 To be fair, Mayock, Jaws and Cosell all had some reservations about EJ. None of them had him going ahead of Geno Smith. THOSE WHO CAN DO!, THOSE WHO CANT SIT ON TV SETS AND THINK THEY CAN!
BillnutinHouston Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 The release of those 3 long-time great players made free agent players stay away from Buffalo, and it contributed to the team's inability to re-sign some of their players. A pretty definitive statement there. Link?
San Jose Bills Fan Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 A pretty definitive statement there. Link? His username is "distortions…. " so there's that.
MDH Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 To your first paragraph, I understand your point but FWIW, Bob Griese is in the Hall of Fame. To your second paragraph, 2003 (Brad Johnson) was the last year a Super Bowl was won by a QB who wasn't considered one of the top QBs in the game. Today it's considered essential to have a top caliber QB to even reach the Super Bowl. Not that I'm disagreeing with your general sentiment but I do disagree with the Brad Johnson statement. I don't think Flaco is considered one of the best QBs in the game. He plays like one in the playoffs (which is a big part of why they won it) but overall I'm not even sure I'd consider him a top 10 QB. That being said, I agree with your point - you need a top flight QB to have a legitimate, year in year out, chance at the SB.
8-8 Forever? Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 I don't think Stephon Gilmore was either to be honest... but we'll be fine regardless Gilmore will be gone after his rookie contract is up. You can bet on that. Watch 'em draft corners in 2014-15. Bills = minor league baseball farm team for rest of NFL
NoSaint Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 (edited) Amazing the amount of projecting ones own feelings onto ej that is going on here Edited May 4, 2013 by NoSaint
Kelly the Dog Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 The Bottom Line: There's way too many changes from the new HC down to the the players, scemes, etc, I would have waited a year to let the dust settle before finding a franchise QB in FA or the draft. Especially since the class of 2013 didn't have any stellar QBs. Ummmm... Marrone and Hackett changed their entire offense two weeks before the season started last year. The result? Marrone got an NFL head coaching job out of it.
mob16151 Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 Mel Kiper trolling on the TBD message board . . . Thread winner lol
benderbender Posted May 5, 2013 Posted May 5, 2013 Isn't this what we were saying when we drafted J P Losman? Trent Edwards? The best quarterbacks we ever had were not enamored with the idea of coming here. Jim Kelly went to the Houston Gamblers and Jack Kemp got here on a waiver screw up. We seem to have our best luck with guys who aren't necessarily in love with the place. We're Buffalo...we have to kind of grown on you. He is Bruce Smith's godson. He's from Hampton Roads. It's all I need. I BILLieve
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 5, 2013 Posted May 5, 2013 To your first paragraph, I understand your point but FWIW, Bob Griese is in the Hall of Fame. To your second paragraph, 2003 (Brad Johnson) was the last year a Super Bowl was won by a QB who wasn't considered one of the top QBs in the game. Today it's considered essential to have a top caliber QB to even reach the Super Bowl. Is Flacco considered one of the top QB in the game? It seems to me that "top QB in the game" is a designation that to some extent is applied retrospectively, AFTER a QB wins "The Game".
Ramius Posted May 5, 2013 Posted May 5, 2013 To your first paragraph, I understand your point but FWIW, Bob Griese is in the Hall of Fame. To your second paragraph, 2003 (Brad Johnson) was the last year a Super Bowl was won by a QB who wasn't considered one of the top QBs in the game. Today it's considered essential to have a top caliber QB to even reach the Super Bowl. SJBF, while Brad Johnson was a decent QB during his career, and certainly not "franchise" guy, I have always disagreed with your argument of the '02 buccs. Brad Johnson played at a pro bowl level that season for TB and was a huge reason as to why they won the SB. So he doesn't really fit the argument, as Tampa got top level QB play in their Super Bowl season, even if it wasn't from a franchise guy. You'd need to go back to dilfer to find poor QB play on a SB winning team. But I agree top level QBing is essential, and a requisite to win in today's NFL.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted May 5, 2013 Posted May 5, 2013 (edited) To your first paragraph, I understand your point but FWIW, Bob Griese is in the Hall of Fame. To your second paragraph, 2003 (Brad Johnson) was the last year a Super Bowl was won by a QB who wasn't considered one of the top QBs in the game. Today it's considered essential to have a top caliber QB to even reach the Super Bowl. Not that I'm disagreeing with your general sentiment but I do disagree with the Brad Johnson statement. I don't think Flaco is considered one of the best QBs in the game. He plays like one in the playoffs (which is a big part of why they won it) but overall I'm not even sure I'd consider him a top 10 QB. That being said, I agree with your point - you need a top flight QB to have a legitimate, year in year out, chance at the SB. Is Flacco considered one of the top QB in the game? It seems to me that "top QB in the game" is a designation that to some extent is applied retrospectively, AFTER a QB wins "The Game". SJBF, while Brad Johnson was a decent QB during his career, and certainly not "franchise" guy, I have always disagreed with your argument of the '02 buccs. Brad Johnson played at a pro bowl level that season for TB and was a huge reason as to why they won the SB. So he doesn't really fit the argument, as Tampa got top level QB play in their Super Bowl season, even if it wasn't from a franchise guy. You'd need to go back to dilfer to find poor QB play on a SB winning team. But I agree top level QBing is essential, and a requisite to win in today's NFL. Anyways, the common point I was trying to make to North Buffalo1 is all bolded, whatever other semantics or tags we disagree on. Edited May 5, 2013 by San Jose Bills Fan
Captain Hindsight Posted May 5, 2013 Posted May 5, 2013 The Bottom Line: There's way too many changes from the new HC down to the the players, scemes, etc, I would have waited a year to let the dust settle before finding a franchise QB in FA or the draft. Especially since the class of 2013 didn't have any stellar QBs. There we no franchise qbs in the 2000 nfl draft. Signed, Chad Pennington, Marc Bulger and Tom Brady Mel Kiper trolling on the TBD message board . . .
dalerkeyes Posted May 5, 2013 Posted May 5, 2013 One of the reasons why E.J. wanted to be a Buffalo Bill besides the usual was also because he said that after one of his interviews with the Bills, when Nathaniel Hackett was taking him back to the airport, Hackett was telling E.J. on how to be great in life, not just in football, and that was what sold Buffalo to Manual.
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