Rico Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 I expect him to start right away and by the end of the season to look at least as good as Tannehill did at the end of last season. If he doesn't look like a world-beater in the making then go after another one in round 1 next year. Without a QB other first round talent is mostly rendered useless, as the Bills have proven over the last decade+ on those occasions when they actually drafted a very good player in round 1........so you gotta get the QB first. Worrying about bruising the egos of young QB's by creating competition is not something a team should concern itself with. Easier said than done, at least around here..If (God forbid) he looks like a complete disaster, the 2nd coming of JP Losman, there will be many who will say "all he needs is more time".
billsfan89 Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 I think we will see EJ start 6-8 games. I think Marone knows this team isn't going anywhere this year so why rush EJ out there when he doesn't need to. I know the recent trend is to just throw rookie QB's out there but its usually now always the best idea. The 49ers didn't do it with Kap and had Alex Smith not gotten hurt who knows if they would have started him by now. EJ seems like he needs some polishing and I think sitting for a little while could be a good thing.
White Linen Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 I think we will see EJ start 6-8 games. I think Marone knows this team isn't going anywhere this year so why rush EJ out there when he doesn't need to. I know the recent trend is to just throw rookie QB's out there but its usually now always the best idea. The 49ers didn't do it with Kap and had Alex Smith not gotten hurt who knows if they would have started him by now. EJ seems like he needs some polishing and I think sitting for a little while could be a good thing. Marone doesn't seem like the type of guy that concedes to anything. I doubt that he has a preconceived notion that "we aren't going anywhere this year". If EJ doesn't win the starting job and we don't go anywhere with Kolb wouldn't that be the time to bring in EJ? If we go with your premiss, and Marrone already knows we aren't going to win this year, why wouldn't it be a real possibility he'd play him immediately?
NDBUFFCUSEFAN Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 Let Marrone decide how quick Manuel comes along. He might decide a little trail by fire would help him learn faster. Would another top 10 draft pick next year hurt? PTR Haven't you always mocked those who advocate losing in order to draft higher?
eball Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 I think we will see EJ start 6-8 games. I think Marone knows this team isn't going anywhere this year so why rush EJ out there when he doesn't need to. I know the recent trend is to just throw rookie QB's out there but its usually now always the best idea. The 49ers didn't do it with Kap and had Alex Smith not gotten hurt who knows if they would have started him by now. EJ seems like he needs some polishing and I think sitting for a little while could be a good thing. I think that's complete b.s. Marrone didn't take this job to "ease into it" and lest you forget, the Bills were a few bounces away from 10-6 rather than 6-10 last year -- and they actually have a coach on defense this season. I'm pretty certain Marrone and his staff believe they can pull an Indy-like turnaround this season, and they will play the guys who give them the best chance to win. I happen to believe that will include EJ3.
Wayne Cubed Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 (edited) I'm not saying that EJ Manual should start right out of the gate, but if you recall the same things were being said about Ryan Tannehill last year. That he should sit a year behind Matt Moore, learn the game etc. Here's what Greg Cosell had to say about Tannehill pre draft: "Tannehill was very good when improvising within structure. When the pressure forced him to abandon the boxing ring, he did, but the objective was again to find a quieter area to deliver the ball rather than to run" - Sounds a bit like Manual, who is also great outside the pocket. "He did not drive the ball as well against Texas as he had in the earlier games. He missed some throws that were there; overall, his ball location was inconsistent." "Tannehill at times did not do a good job of verifying the positioning of the safeties after the snap of the ball. That led to some poor reads and ill-advised throws." "Overall, I did not necessarily see the kind of improvement over time I would have liked. Tannehill possesses the skill set to be a quality NFL starter. At this point, he would be best in a quick-rhythm, short-to-intermediate passing game that featured play-action and boot-action passes." So to summarize, Tannehill was not nearly as polished as some would like coming out of college. Yet, he went #8 overall based on need alone, IMO. Now after posting what I would consider very average stats this year ( 12 TD's; 13 INTs; threw for 3,294 yards) is considered the 2nd best QB in the AFCE and by some, a very good QB. Personally, I think Manual could more than replicate Tannehill's numbers and success this year. Edited May 3, 2013 by Wayne Cubed
simpleman Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 (edited) I think that's complete b.s. Marrone didn't take this job to "ease into it" and lest you forget, the Bills were a few bounces away from 10-6 rather than 6-10 last year -- and they actually have a coach on defense this season. I think you are being a little too optimistic looking back at last year. Maybe an 8-8 season with a few more lucky bounces and no lousy coaches helping the players lose the game (Titans & Rams) , but not 10-6. The team stunk last year. We really have no idea what the coaches will be like this year. They are like rookie draft picks, they have never even coached a down in the NFL regular season before at their positions.(Marrone at HC and Hackett OC) They are total unknowns at this point just like the rookie players. As you say, they have an actual coach at defense with experience, but not the two most important positions for the offense and EJ. And we don't even have a separate QB coach to bring EJ along, since Hackett is filling in at QB coach as well as OC, rather than bringing in a specialist to fill that important position of QB coach for an admittedly raw rookie. Edited May 3, 2013 by simpleman
8-8 Forever? Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 (edited) According to who? Because if we didn't take him he in all likelihood would have fallen at least until the 2nd round, meaning that even teams with a QB need would have or actually did take a different position in the 1st round. Not sure if that means EJ is a 2nd round grade or teams with 1st round needs at QB and another position took the other position in the 1st round. Since QB is the most important position on the field without a doubt , to take another position at no 1 says that the QB is not a round 1 prospect either in general or for the team that has multiple round 1 needs the available QBs are not worth the pick. But having said all this (poorly), things set up nicely for EJ with the mess with the Jets and Geno getting all the headlines, EJ can just go about his business with the Bills. I like it. Super Bowl or Bust Then Bust it is, at least for the next couple years...... Edited May 3, 2013 by 8and8Forever
Storm Front Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 Marrone handled Nassib well, and if the past is any indication, I expect him to do the same with Manuel. Marrone brought in Greg Paulus for a year to start at QB before turning the reigns over to Nassib the next season. If I remember correctly, during the year that Nassib rode the pines, Marrone brought him in occaisionally at the end of a few games where SU had blown out an opponent. Unless Manuel blows away the QB competition this summer, Kolb or Jackson will probably start. Based on what Marrone did in the past at SU, look for the older Kevin Kolb or TJax to start this season and Manuel to come in occaisionally at the end of games.
BILLS_ROC Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 ... When I read what you said...that you didn't care about winning, I just couldn't let that slide...sorry. I can appreciate that. I was remiss to not articulate my perspective better. That sentiment was my knee jerk reaction to calls for Kolb to play over getting EJM experience. ...the Colts were a playoff team in 2010, they threw away 2011 when Manning got hurt and entered the Luck Bowl. I love seeing this point made. I've made it many times myself. It was a giant example of horrible sportsmanship that was rewarded in spades. I hate that they were able to do this without getting called out every step of the way.
CodeMonkey Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 Hiw exactly does seeing that trivia on facebook translate into tempered expectations for the upcoming season? Past history is a reliable indicator of the future? Sad sackfranchises are doomed to failure no matter who they draft at QB? Please, do explain Past history IS a reliable indicator. Expecting that this one kid coming in right out of college is going to take a team that has not even been close to the playoffs for 13 years and turn them into a super bowl contender in his first year is not realistic. Even you should understand that.
DefenseWinzChampionshipz Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 If EJ comes out Russell Wilson style in the preseason, I say we play him week 1. Wilson had a slow start to the year, but really hit his stride on the back end. Of course, he was aided by a top D and running game. But what if he comes out Oppa Gangnam style?
Glory Bound Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 I can appreciate that. I was remiss to not articulate my perspective better. That sentiment was my knee jerk reaction to calls for Kolb to play over getting EJM experience. Here's what makes the most sense to me. Tell E.J., KK, & TJax on day one..."You all have a 33.33% chance at this juncture to be the starting QB for the Buffalo Bills on Sept 8th...may the best man win". Then let them compete for it, & pick the one that gives us the best chance to win on opening day. I think it's ridiculous at this point to say who should do what. Let it play out...simple!
Kelly the Dog Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 This is a really good, long read on EJ... http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/02/27/the-kaepernick-project-fsu-qb-e-j-manuel/
Fan in Chicago Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 Past history IS a reliable indicator. Expecting that this one kid coming in right out of college is going to take a team that has not even been close to the playoffs for 13 years and turn them into a super bowl contender in his first year is not realistic. Even you should understand that. I don't think the discussion point was whether he can take the Bills to the Superbowl in his first year. You made the reference that we should not get our hopes up because it has been a long time since the Bills last made the playoffs. That was your stated point. I am countering to say that the argument does not hold merit. too much to expect a rookie QB, by himself, to lift the team to the playoffs. But that is true of a large majority of the QBs. It will depend on the performance of the rest of the team, and in the case of the Bills, the defense most of all. But if our D takes a major turn for the better (not out of the realm of possibilty), it is certainly conceivable that EJ can take the Bills to the playoffs. Ofcourse, if he is a Gabbert type dud, then heaven help us all. But, if he plays as BenR, Russell Wilson, RGIII, Luck played in their first seasons, it is certainly possible to make the playoffs this year. And not having gone there for so many years will have no bearing on that outcome.
turdferguson Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 Play him that's the only way to learn and get better. If he plays and sucks he would suck next year too. If he is good he is good and gains useful experience
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