Reason we "reached" for QB in round one.

[vegas55]

It's a good point; but its pretty clear that had the Bills traded down again, from 16 to very late in round one, they still would have landed E J. And got the 5 year deal.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

It's a good point; but its pretty clear that had the Bills traded down again, from 16 to very late in round one, they still would have landed E J. And got the 5 year deal.

 

I don't think you can be clear on that

 

The only thing I think we can be clear on, is that the NFL scouting teams viewed this year's QB class very differently than the various media-employed draft pundits.

Show me a media pre-draft QB rating that has anything close to how it's shaking out, and I'll buy you a

Edited April 27, 2013 by Hopeful

[Buftex]

It's a good point; but its pretty clear that had the Bills traded down again, from 16 to very late in round one, they still would have landed E J. And got the 5 year deal.

It is only "pretty clear" when you have the benefit of knowing who picks #17-32 were. You also assume that the Bills could have easily swung a deal with any other team picking later in the first round. Hindsight is always 20/20! I can be as critical as anyone of the Bills, but anyone (including all the professional "experts") who is blasting the Bills for this pick is doing so, because they just want to have team draft to criticize....and the Bills are easy to pick on. The Bills got the guy they wanted (obvious, because he was the first QB taken) and, in the process, got another top 50 pick. The still got Robet Woods (a highly ranked prospect at WR, another area of great need)...not sure why so many are bitching about this draft. I am not crazy about the Marquise Goodwin pick, but I like the top 3 picks.

Edited April 27, 2013 by Buftex

[Ramius]

It's a good point; but its pretty clear that had the Bills traded down again, from 16 to very late in round one, they still would have landed E J. And got the 5 year deal.

 

Nope. Not even close. Just because teams didn't move up for another QB doesn't mean they wouldn't have moved up for EJ.

[jumbalaya]

This is really irrelevent....

 

It doesnt really matter if they are 4 or 5 yr contracts...you still can cut them if they fail.

 

similarly if he is a big time success they renegotiate the contract to pay him what he is worth.

 

The reason they took him is because Philadelkphia would have taken him at their 2nd round pick or traded up to around 24-27 to take him.

Exactly. The threads scenario only applies if the team manages a low ball approach and lets everyone that develops into a meaningful player is allowed to walk.... uhm on second thought that is the Bills!

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

The other big point too is the Bill's picks didn't match what Mel Kiper and company are going to say as to when players are to be drafted. All 32 teams made Mel and company look stupid by not drafting Geno Smith, or a number of other players the "experts" said would go in 1st round. Mel, Todd, etc can't stand up and say all 32 teams are clueless so the easy thing to do is to rip the teams that take players before they think they should have gone. So pile on the Bill's!

 

It is only "pretty clear" when you have the benefit of knowing who picks #17-32 were. You also assume that the Bills could have easily swung a deal with any other team picking later in the first round. Hindsight is always 20/20! I can be as critical as anyone of the Bills, but anyone (including all the professional "experts") who is blasting the Bills for this pick is doing so, because they just want to have team draft to criticize....and the Bills are easy to pick on. The Bills got the guy they wanted (obvious, because he was the first QB taken) and, in the process, got another top 50 pick. The still got Robet Woods (a highly ranked prospect at WR, another area of great need)...not sure why so many are bitching about this draft. I am not crazy about the Marquise Goodwin pick, but I like the top 3 picks.

[Buffalo Proud]

The other big point too is the Bill's picks didn't match what Mel Kiper and company are going to say as to when players are to be drafted. All 32 teams made Mel and company look stupid by not drafting Geno Smith, or a number of other players the "experts" said would go in 1st round. Mel, Todd, etc can't stand up and say all 32 teams are clueless so the easy thing to do is to rip the teams that take players before they think they should have gone. So pile on the Bill's!

 

Mel Kiper is a fraud, just like most of the MSM:

 

There are many like this , this one is from bleacher report:

 

 

Pity the fool who pins his hopes on the future.

Mel Kiper is a trusted expert. He’s also a blatant fraud. When the NFL Draft kicks off this weekend, ESPN’s well-coiffed oracle will have already plotted the career arc of every big name on the board—which in truth speaks less poorly of Mel than it does of all those wayward souls who actually take him seriously.

Humility means admitting that a guess is just a guess.

Hubris, on the other hand, means assuming that a guru is really a guru.

I’d never fault a hack for doing his job. A con is nothing more than the figment of a sucker’s imagination, and Kiper’s disciples bear the blame for their own gullibility. But let’s not mince words about the scope of the delusion. In a league where every can’t-miss prospect is a bust waiting to happen, the only guarantee on Draft Day is that there are no guarantees on Draft Day.

Pride goes before a fall.

Positivity comes before a flop.

If your team blows it by passing on that sure-thing quarterback, they can always recover by signing a stud like Ryan Leaf.

Uncertainty is a fact of life in the NFL. Next snap, next Sunday, next season—it’s a series of blind bets, an endless flip of a faceless coin. The irony, of course, is that football fans love nothing more than to be told what to expect. Mel Kiper is a beacon of clarity in a painfully muddled world. No wonder he manages to attract such a loyal following of desperately credulous sheep.

Faith is good.

Skepticism is better.

It’s fine to seek the counsel of self-styled sages, but you should probably start by paying a call on someone like Tony Mandarich.

Every prediction tastes better with a grain of salt. To speculate is an animal impulse; to scrutinize is a human virtue. Mel Kiper’s dirty NFL Draft secret is that he’s just as clueless about tomorrow as you and I, no matter how much time he spends blow-drying his brain. Man’s lot is to glimpse his fate through a glass darkly. There’s scant reason to suspect that the view will get any brighter when the Lions go on the clock.

I'm no scholar on the subject of probability theory, so perhaps you'll forgive me for speaking the language of the guy who wrote the book:

Ce que nous connaissons est peu de chose; ce que nous ignorons est immense.

Which is a bad omen for prognosticators of every stripe.

Because ignorance is the price we pay for consciousness, and any mortal who claims to know otherwise is an undisputed master of only just saying, is all...

Edited April 28, 2013 by Buffalo Proud

[BuffaloBob]

Mel Kuyper, Todd McShay and their ilk are part of a huge hype machine designed to get us all in a tizzy over an event that until relatively recently (last 10 years or so), to which very few of us paid such close attention.

 

Has Mel Kuyper ever even played football, let alone coached it or managed a football team? What gives him any more insight than any of us with access to youtube and television?

 

It is those who coach, scout and actually draft players who know what is important to them. Sure, there are certain obvious criteria like physical dimensions, speed, quickness with which we can all TRY to project to success playing a certain position. But there so many other factors that just can't be objectified in a way that adds up to some ultimate ranking with which everyone agrees.

 

So these guys will now spend time trying to convince everyone how those teams that did not draft in accordance with their projections had bad drafts, while those that did had great drafts, and not of it will mean anything once the season starts.

 

And we'll do it all again next year!

Edited April 27, 2013 by BuffaloBob

[UpperDeck]

Mel Kiper is a fraud, just like most the MSM:

 

There are many like this , this one is from bleacher report:

 

 

Pity the fool who pins his hopes on the future.

Mel Kiper is a trusted expert. He’s also a blatant fraud. When the NFL Draft kicks off this weekend, ESPN’s well-coiffed oracle will have already plotted the career arc of every big name on the board—which in truth speaks less poorly of Mel than it does of all those wayward souls who actually take him seriously.

Humility means admitting that a guess is just a guess.

Hubris, on the other hand, means assuming that a guru is really a guru.

I’d never fault a hack for doing his job. A con is nothing more than the figment of a sucker’s imagination, and Kiper’s disciples bear the blame for their own gullibility. But let’s not mince words about the scope of the delusion. In a league where every can’t-miss prospect is a bust waiting to happen, the only guarantee on Draft Day is that there are no guarantees on Draft Day.

Pride goes before a fall.

Positivity comes before a flop.

If your team blows it by passing on that sure-thing quarterback, they can always recover by signing a stud like Ryan Leaf.

Uncertainty is a fact of life in the NFL. Next snap, next Sunday, next season—it’s a series of blind bets, an endless flip of a faceless coin. The irony, of course, is that football fans love nothing more than to be told what to expect. Mel Kiper is a beacon of clarity in a painfully muddled world. No wonder he manages to attract such a loyal following of desperately credulous sheep.

Faith is good.

Skepticism is better.

It’s fine to seek the counsel of self-styled sages, but you should probably start by paying a call on someone like Tony Mandarich.

Every prediction tastes better with a grain of salt. To speculate is an animal impulse; to scrutinize is a human virtue. Mel Kiper’s dirty NFL Draft secret is that he’s just as clueless about tomorrow as you and I, no matter how much time he spends blow-drying his brain. Man’s lot is to glimpse his fate through a glass darkly. There’s scant reason to suspect that the view will get any brighter when the Lions go on the clock.

I'm no scholar on the subject of probability theory, so perhaps you'll forgive me for speaking the language of the guy who wrote the book:

Ce que nous connaissons est peu de chose; ce que nous ignorons est immense.

Which is a bad omen for prognosticators of every stripe.

Because ignorance is the price we pay for consciousness, and any mortal who claims to know otherwise is an undisputed master of only just saying, is all...

Pretty much sums it up. By the way, for those wondering, according to google translate the hi-lighted part means "What we know is little, that we do not know is immense".