billsFORlife50 Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 Just curious what everyone thinks here, who is really running the show this weekend? Just with the picks so far my opinion is it doesn't seem like they are your typical Nix moves..
Kelly the Dog Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 Alonso seems like a Pettine influenced pick. He plays both inside and outside. Oregon played a multiple fronts defense. He fits the Lawson kind of guy. I don't think it would affect the Dansby signing either way but not sure.
mannc Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 Just curious what everyone thinks here, who is really running the show this weekend? Just with the picks so far my opinion is it doesn't seem like they are your typical Nix moves.. I agree. Two PAC 12 players in the first three picks and zero from the SEC.
swnybillsfan Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Just curious what everyone thinks here, who is really running the show this weekend? Just with the picks so far my opinion is it doesn't seem like they are your typical Nix moves.. maybe it's not so much whaley vs. nix, but rather nix and co. picking marrone/pettine guys rather than gailey/wanny guys. just a thought.
BillnutinHouston Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) We've had what, 2-3 previous Nix drafts? Not much of a sample size from which to surmise what a "typical Nix move" is. Also, every selection is a product of unique circumstances, both in terms of the status of your roster, that of your competitors, as well as who takes which players just ahead of you. Example: clearly the Bills liked Minter out of LSU (they invited him to Orchard Park for a predraft visit), but Arizona picked him just head of Buffalo's pick. So does the Alonzo pick suddenly become a "Whaley pick" or was the Alonzo pick born out of necessity since Arizona grabbed the guy we liked at the last minute? Reading a changing of the guard into 3 picks is really oversimplifying the situation, in my opinion. Edited April 27, 2013 by BillnutinHouston
BillsVet Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 We've had what, 2-3 previous Nix drafts? Not much of a sample size from which to surmise what a "typical Nix move" is. Also, every selection is a product of unique circumstances, both in terms of the status of your roster, that of your competitors, as well as who takes which players just ahead of you. Example: clearly the Bills liked Minter out of LSU (they invited him to Orchard Park for a predraft visit), but Arizona picked him just head of Buffalo's pick. So does the Alonzo pick suddenly become a "Whaley pick" or was the Alonzo pick born out of necessity since Arizona grabbed the guy we liked at the last minute? Reading a changing of the guard into 3 picks is really oversimplifying the situation, in my opinion. The Bills had 27 picks from 2010-12. 22 of them were from the South including Texas. In rounds 1-3, the Bills had 9 picks in those same years and all of them were from the South. If that's not a big enough sample size, I'm not sure what is. And with Russ apparently going to a more analytics driven approach to personnel, it should be obvious Buddy isn't making picks like he did in 2010-12.
BillnutinHouston Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) The Bills had 27 picks from 2010-12. 22 of them were from the South including Texas. In rounds 1-3, the Bills had 9 picks in those same years and all of them were from the South. If that's not a big enough sample size, I'm not sure what is. And with Russ apparently going to a more analytics driven approach to personnel, it should be obvious Buddy isn't making picks like he did in 2010-12. In the aggregate, southern college programs (especially the SEC) have better players than other conferences. Might that have something to do with many Bills picks coming from the south? Have you looked at the % of southern school picks from other teams? My point: to pigeonhole any GM like this is a major stretch and very simplistic, in my opinion. Do GMs really get jobs in the NFL by telling prospective employers they'll just make picks from the SEC? Me thinks they'd get laughed out of the interview. Isn't Florida State pretty far south? Explain how analytics explains the Woods and Alonzo picks. If 3 of the the Bills' next 4 picks are from the south, will you stand by your "analysis"? Edited April 27, 2013 by BillnutinHouston
CarolinaBill Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Nix has drafted more from the ACC not SEC and this is certainly a Collaborative effort with Nix leading the way.
BillsVet Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 In the aggregate, southern college programs (especially the SEC) have better players than other conferences. Might that have something to do with many Bills picks coming from the south? Have you looked at the % of southern school picks from other teams? My point: to pigeonhole any GM like this is a major stretch and very simplistic, in my opinion. Do GMs really get jobs in the NFL by telling prospective employers they'll just make picks from the SEC? Me thinks they'd get laughed out of the interview. Isn't Florida State pretty far south? Explain how analytics explains the Woods and Alonzo picks. If 3 of the the Bills' next 4 picks are from the south, will you stand by your "analysis"? Let's not conflate the argument. Of course, the South has an impressive concentration of collegiate talent. Yet, I think it's no coincidence the Bills' premium picks all came from that region of the country and almost 80% overall. You can call it coincidental or based on the region's talent, but from 2010-12 Buffalo's personnel department all but ignored a huge part of the country. It's Buddy's backyard and that's what he knows. And for someone who avoided risks like the plague (trading down during a rebuild, not picking a QB) it's not hard to imagine the GM looked to his part of the country for talent. We can agree to disagree, but Buddy didn't really interview for his job like a normal franchise would either. As for analytics, well, that's another story. The GM admitted he didn't know much about it in early January and it stands to reason with his departure most likely imminent, that he didn't break out the books since that time. My interpretation of analytics is that it helps to drive decision making by bringing a statistical approach to personnel with key metrics. The Bills are going in a different direction and it started this off-season.
BillnutinHouston Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Let's not conflate the argument. Of course, the South has an impressive concentration of collegiate talent. Yet, I think it's no coincidence the Bills' premium picks all came from that region of the country and almost 80% overall. You can call it coincidental or based on the region's talent, but from 2010-12 Buffalo's personnel department all but ignored a huge part of the country. It's Buddy's backyard and that's what he knows. And for someone who avoided risks like the plague (trading down during a rebuild, not picking a QB) it's not hard to imagine the GM looked to his part of the country for talent. We can agree to disagree, but Buddy didn't really interview for his job like a normal franchise would either. As for analytics, well, that's another story. The GM admitted he didn't know much about it in early January and it stands to reason with his departure most likely imminent, that he didn't break out the books since that time. My interpretation of analytics is that it helps to drive decision making by bringing a statistical approach to personnel with key metrics. The Bills are going in a different direction and it started this off-season. UPDATE: the Bills just selected Marquise Goodwin from Texas. This means, of course, that Buddy has just wrested control of the organization back from Whaley. Do you see how silly this is? By the way, there is plenty of speculation and anticipation about Buddy's departure being imminent, but absolutely no proof that anyone can credibly point to.
Lurker Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Do you see how silly this is? Yep. Unless you're privy to the war room, all this 'analysis' is just wasted electrons...
Max997 Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Just curious what everyone thinks here, who is really running the show this weekend? Just with the picks so far my opinion is it doesn't seem like they are your typical Nix moves.. My thoughts exactly
BillnutinHouston Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Yep. Unless you're privy to the war room, all this 'analysis' is just wasted electrons... Thank you.
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