Rd 1, Pick #16: QB EJ Manuel - Florida St.

[mrags]

No man, I think this GM made another mistake by taking a QB at 16 when no other team was even interested in one in the first round.

 

I think there were just so many other positions that could have been filled instead of reaching for a QB that they could have drafted later on.

 

I don't like any of the QB's this year as they are all projects who need development in my view. If anything, I'm just very grateful Nix didn't take Geno Smith. At least this guy stands a chance to develop and actually has an arm, unlike Nassib & Barkley

well, at least I can agree with you on Smith. So happy to see what a baby he is. I Didnt think he was a good move. Of course this means nothing on the field but how he handled himself tonight is really saying a lot about him. I hope he falls to round 3 or later. Whiny B%#^H!!! Ill keep saying it because it feels good.

 

I think your wrong in Manuel though. I personally think he's first round talent. He will be a good QB IMO. And I don't care if they drafted him at 8. He's who I wanted and he's the future franchise QB. I like the fact that they took the guy they wanted all along. And on top of it, managed to get an extra second rounder.

 

I personally don't think there would have been a chance he's there at 41. As SJBF said, he was invited to the draft tonight so it was expected that his name might be called in the first round so apparently ESPN and the NFL thought he was 1st round talent as well.

 

I also don't think we get his at 41 because multiple teams ahead of us in the 2nd round need QBs for the king term and as many "experts" have said(even the ones that Didnt like the Bills taking him there) that he has the most upside in the draft but needs a year or 2 to develop. That's perfect for the Jets, Jags, Cards, KC, Oak, Philly, Cle who could all take a stab at a QB early in round 2 before we pick. If Manuel happened to be their "top" guy, then he wouldn't be there for us. Sure, we might have had a shot at one of the guys, but if Manuel is our guy. You take him when you know you can get him.

 

Again, if you knew before the draft that Glennon would be a HOF QB but he's projected to be a 4th rounder. Would you still take him at 16? What difference does it make where he's drafted. All that matters is you got the guy you wanted and thought would be the best.

[mannc]

 

How do you know that? The Bills obviously had Manuel rated the highest. So why, just because other teams didn't take other players, are you sure Manuel would not have been taken?

 

You just don't know.

 

I guarantee a 1-2 QBs are going to be selected before we pick again at 41. So if we really wanted Manuel there was no way in hell to know he would be available at 41. I would think little chance. The teams that need QBs are all at the beginning of the second round.

True, but I suppose in hindsight we probably could have traded down again with SF, gotten some more picks, and still gotten Manuel at the end of round 1. That's nit-picking, though.

[Alphadawg7]

But the simple fact is that the one team that matters to Buddy and us, the Bills, WERE interested in a QB. Extremely interested. And when you already have played it to your advantage once, and still have your pick, you take your guy. Nothing was as important as our QB pick this year. We played it well.

 

You do realize we do not have the first pick in the second right? You do realize that there were at least 5 teams who would pick in front of us who could EASILY take a QB right? You do realize Cle and Philly were targeting him right? Philly was even rumored to be trying to trade back into bottom of first to get him if he was still there.

 

So, quite possibly, not only him, but also Nassib, Geno, and Barkley could have been gone before we picked at 41. Or we would have to sacrifice picks we need to move up to top of 2nd or bottom of first to take him.

 

He WAS the gut they WANTED, so we not only got him, but 2 extra picks too. So you want them to then gamble and have to maybe give up valued draft picks to get him?

 

Makes no sense. Seriously, who cares if he went 15 picks earlier than mock police had him going who have literally no rational intelligence on where to determine where they go anywan. All i know is that the staff wanted him, Chip Kelly wanted him, Cleveland wanted him...and we got him plus TWO EXTRA picks, including a 2nd which is huge!

 

I swear, how many more posts are gonna pop up about something some loser like Kiper or McShay or some other fool who gets paid to be WRONG 3 times more than are right? If McShay is so good, why isnt he a highly paid GM? Um, cuz he is almost always wrong along with Kiper, etc.

 

They get paid to sell their opinion, an opinion which is MOST OFTEN wrong. So many cant miss prospects who turn into busts. I loved today when Kiper mocked the Raiders for drafting Michael Huff, yet that year Kiper kept saying Huff was the best S prospect in ten years and teams should take him top 5. Same with Gallery...these idiots dont even acknowledge how badly wrong they are all the time. Why wasnt Russel Wilson rated higher by them last year? Because they have no clue

[KollegeStudnet]

The simple fact that we traded down and got the guy we actually wanted (read on buffalorumblings a few hours before the draft that Marroune loved EJ). Was just talking with my dad, if we spent the next 2 picks on:

 

Williams, Terrance WR 6'2" 208

Baylor

 

 

Kelce, Travis TE 6'5" 255 Cincinnati

 

I would literally be uncontrollably ecstatic. I know a lot of ppl want use to pick up D positions, but i'm willing to roll the dice on FA's this year while we install w/e new D scheme we have and see how the players actually react to it. I feel like we really don't know what we have when we're going to be running a hybrid. That and i'd love to have weapons that actually pan out.

 

I likey

 

We could always sign Dansby tomorrow.

[DrDawkinstein]

You do realize ...

 

Yes, I do?...

[San Jose Bills Fan]

Don't condescend, Geno Smith got an invitation also what did that do for him?.

 

Hey, you guys want to gloat about this draft choice, feel free. I just think you will all be crying in another year or two.

 

Sorry.

[Alphadawg7]

That was his team today.

 

If the bills didn't want Smith, and the jets didn't take him either, and at 16 the bills were the last team with a QB need, why wouldn't they take someone they can use right away instead of rolling the dice like the incompetent dolts that they are?

 

Even I knew as soon as the jets didn't take Geno that there wouldn't be a QB taken in rd 1. Within about 3 minutes after the jets pick I had the QB scenario figured out for rd2. A. Trade up to 31/32 to grab a QB ahead of the next team that needs one (jax) which I understand isn't Rd 2 but almost. B. Since the Eagles were the other team with strong interest in Manuel, and the Bills felt they had to have him you trade ahead of them to 34 with SF. Or I believe this is the best option, C. You take whatever Qb is available at that point because they are all pretty much Projects or guys who might be ready but have low ceilings, and don't they have to give up a pick to do so.

 

None of the QBs available could start for for the Bills or any other team this year, no QBs were good enought to be drafted day 1 and only one team was incompetent enought to not know it. Oh, and of all the projects, they took the one who needs the most time to develop. Way to go morons you panicked and panicked hard, get your F'ing heads out of the sand and look at whats going on around you. Like the Broncos in '11 you didn't need to make this pick and it was obvious to everyone but you.

 

Hey buddy, better get some linemen tomorrow to protect Kolb, Jackson, Korp and whatever retreads you bring in to play for the next 5 years until EJ is ready to go.

 

This pick makes me wanna f'ing puke.

 

Seriously, why do you people keep thinking that because a QB didnt go in round 1 besides Manuel that suddenly Bills have their pick of them at 41?

 

A) We do NOT have the first pick in the 2nd round

B) 5 teams ahead of us in the 2nd are teams who could easily take a QB and that could have meant that neither Nassib, Barkley, Geno, Manuel, or even Wilson would have been there.

C) Cle and Philly were said to be targeting him. Chip Kelly especially and were in discussions to move back into first round to get Manuel if he fell further.

D) The guy they wanted was Manuel, and not only did they get him, but they picked up 2 extra picks in doing so.

 

I swear, people b*tch just to b*tch. I am certain Manuel would NOT have been there at 41. I would have liked Eifert at 16, but still Manuel is a great prospect and if the Bills saw him as the BEST QB prospect and wanted him, then they HAD to take him at 16.

 

Big win for the Bills...stop reading so many mock drafts of people who know nothing about football like McShay and Kiper. All I know is that the two hot college coaches, Chip Kelly and Marrone were in love with this kid. And that is saying a lot with Marrone who coached Nassib to pass on him and go with this kid and bank his NFL career on it.

 

I think I will trust the facts more than your nausea

Edited April 26, 2013 by Alphadawg7

[thewildrabbit]

well, at least I can agree with you on Smith. So happy to see what a baby he is. I Didnt think he was a good move. Of course this means nothing on the field but how he handled himself tonight is really saying a lot about him. I hope he falls to round 3 or later. Whiny B%#^H!!! Ill keep saying it because it feels good.

 

I think your wrong in Manuel though. I personally think he's first round talent. He will be a good QB IMO. And I don't care if they drafted him at 8. He's who I wanted and he's the future franchise QB. I like the fact that they took the guy they wanted all along. And on top of it, managed to get an extra second rounder.

 

I personally don't think there would have been a chance he's there at 41. As SJBF said, he was invited to the draft tonight so it was expected that his name might be called in the first round so apparently ESPN and the NFL thought he was 1st round talent as well.

 

I also don't think we get his at 41 because multiple teams ahead of us in the 2nd round need QBs for the king term and as many "experts" have said(even the ones that Didnt like the Bills taking him there) that he has the most upside in the draft but needs a year or 2 to develop. That's perfect for the Jets, Jags, Cards, KC, Oak, Philly, Cle who could all take a stab at a QB early in round 2 before we pick. If Manuel happened to be their "top" guy, then he wouldn't be there for us. Sure, we might have had a shot at one of the guys, but if Manuel is our guy. You take him when you know you can get him.

 

Again, if you knew before the draft that Glennon would be a HOF QB but he's projected to be a 4th rounder. Would you still take him at 16? What difference does it make where he's drafted. All that matters is you got the guy you wanted and thought would be the best.

My fears stem from the fact that Manuel will need some real development in many areas and I just don't see that happening very well with the current state of the team. Now, should the Bills let him sit a year and learn while they build a better offense then perhaps he might just eventually pan out.

 

Lets not forget that this player was getting 3rd & 4th round grades from some scouts pre-Senior Bowl, just sayin.

[NickelCity]

Will EJ be in the mix to start this season?

 

 

“Absolutely…He’s now thrown into the mix of competition.” - Doug Marrone

[Alphadawg7]

As far as Smith goes, I dont think Geno got a fair shake on his exit. If I was him, I would be pissed to. Not at any team, but of the bogus info that was about his character or not working as hard as he should. People who knew him swore up and down he was the hardest worker on that team and no one ever presented any substance to those claims. In fact, all evidence pointed to the opposite. So he was probably pissed that he felt it hurt his draft stock, and I would be too. And it was probably to get his stock to fall, which it did. He wont wait long day 2 though

[jjmac]

That was his team today.

 

If the bills didn't want Smith, and the jets didn't take him either, and at 16 the bills were the last team with a QB need, why wouldn't they take someone they can use right away instead of rolling the dice like the incompetent dolts that they are?

 

Even I knew as soon as the jets didn't take Geno that there wouldn't be a QB taken in rd 1. Within about 3 minutes after the jets pick I had the QB scenario figured out for rd2. A. Trade up to 31/32 to grab a QB ahead of the next team that needs one (jax) which I understand isn't Rd 2 but almost. B. Since the Eagles were the other team with strong interest in Manuel, and the Bills felt they had to have him you trade ahead of them to 34 with SF. Or I believe this is the best option, C. You take whatever Qb is available at that point because they are all pretty much Projects or guys who might be ready but have low ceilings, and don't they have to give up a pick to do so.

 

None of the QBs available could start for for the Bills or any other team this year, no QBs were good enought to be drafted day 1 and only one team was incompetent enought to not know it. Oh, and of all the projects, they took the one who needs the most time to develop. Way to go morons you panicked and panicked hard, get your F'ing heads out of the sand and look at whats going on around you. Like the Broncos in '11 you didn't need to make this pick and it was obvious to everyone but you.

 

Hey buddy, better get some linemen tomorrow to protect Kolb, Jackson, Korp and whatever retreads you bring in to play for the next 5 years until EJ is ready to go.

 

This pick makes me wanna f'ing puke.

 

No, a panic would have been us trading UP to pick Manuel.

[John from Riverside]

My memory is a little sketchy.....but were there not QB's selected BEFORE Tebow that year? This is not that situation.......it is widely known that the bills have gone over the QB prospects with a fine tooth comb......and they GOT THEIR PICK of the QBs coming out of this draft.......they didn't take them at 8....they traded down into the teens and took a QB there......whats not to like?

[mrags]

http://www.buffalobills.com/media-center/videos/Nix-and-Marrone-Comment-on-Manuel-Pick/edfd987f-33fb-41b5-a16c-115037cd465c

Nix and Marrone on EJ.

Thanks NC.

 

I haven't seen much of Marrone so I am speculating. Even though I've heard that he is rather brash and holds back a bit. But it does seem like Buddy is enamored with the pick and at first, it seems like Marrone is not happy. But then he opens up near the end. So it's tough to call.

[ganesh]

As far as Smith goes, I dont think Geno got a fair shake on his exit. If I was him, I would be pissed to. Not at any team, but of the bogus info that was about his character or not working as hard as he should. People who knew him swore up and down he was the hardest worker on that team and no one ever presented any substance to those claims. In fact, all evidence pointed to the opposite. So he was probably pissed that he felt it hurt his draft stock, and I would be too. And it was probably to get his stock to fall, which it did. He wont wait long day 2 though

Why. Each QB needy team have visited with all these players multiple times and have their own sources in evaluating these players. I am sure NFL scouts are not reading into some random internet noise!. The biggest concern with Smith was his locking on to his primary receiver and his ability to handle tough situations.

[Alphadawg7]

Why. Each QB needy team have visited with all these players multiple times and have their own sources in evaluating these players. I am sure NFL scouts are not reading into some random internet noise!. The biggest concern with Smith was his locking on to his primary receiver and his ability to handle tough situations.

 

I understand that, but Geno has been bothered by it and even addressed it. I am saying he probably feels it hurt him and felt like it robbed him. I am not saying thats why he fell, I was saying why Geno thinks he fell.

[ndirish1978]

My fears stem from the fact that Manuel will need some real development in many areas and I just don't see that happening very well with the current state of the team. Now, should the Bills let him sit a year and learn while they build a better offense then perhaps he might just eventually pan out.

 

Lets not forget that this player was getting 3rd & 4th round grades from some scouts pre-Senior Bowl, just sayin.

 

You seem to be determined to be miserable about the pick. Other scouts appear to have him rated higher, as it is believed the eagles and browns were targeting him in the 2nd.

[KeisterHollow]

He is Cam with More Experience, Russell with more size, and Colin with more Power

 

Now thats a great way to put it!

[mrags]

My fears stem from the fact that Manuel will need some real development in many areas and I just don't see that happening very well with the current state of the team. Now, should the Bills let him sit a year and learn while they build a better offense then perhaps he might just eventually pan out.

 

Lets not forget that this player was getting 3rd & 4th round grades from some scouts pre-Senior Bowl, just sayin.

the same scouts that have Blaine Gabbert high first round grades? Or how about Jamarcus Russell? Vince Young, Ryan Leaf, JP Losman, Rob Johnson, Mark Sanchez, etc... Could go on and on.

 

It's a crapshoot bro. Take who you think is the best at the position your looking for and that's it. You'll win some, you'll lose some. What gets me, is that EVERYONE HERE, without a doubt, thinks, knows that we need a QB. We finally take one with our first pick (first Tim since 1960), and people are complaining about it. Why is that? Because people want "their guy". And if its not "their guy" then the Bills obviously made a mistake. And of course since the Bills haven't made the playoffs, nor have they gambled right on a QB since Jim Kelly, its obvious that the chat room experts and so called "experts" on ESPN must be right.

 

At the end if the day, we needed a QB. We got the one we thought was the best one. Shouldn't matter if we reached. We still got the most important position on the field and we got the one we wanted all along. And on top of it, added an extra 2nd round pick.

 

People just need to quit bitching. It's getting annoying. If people don't like it, they can let the door hit em on the way out. There's plenty of other teams that constantly do well that are accepting bandwagon fans in a daily basis. This is a Bills message board. We just locked up the QB position more so than any in the past 20 or so years. Lets get a grip here.

[Scott_36]

Yes it may have been a bit early but you have no idea he wouldn't have been taken later.

 

There was no doubt the Bills needed a QB. They identified 'their guy' and got him. In the process they got an extra second round pick and a seventh plus we have a player at the most important position in football. QB's always go before 'their valued spot'. Do you think Jake Locker was worth the 8th pick, Christian Ponder the 12th??? No but this is how drafting QB's goes. Without a good one it doesn't matter how good your team is

 

Teams panic when it comes to QB's but you can't compare EJ to Tebow who was never a good pro prospect.

 

While EJ might not be your guy this Bills regime think he is and it's there butts on the line. Get behind this pick as he could be the guy to take our team back to the playoffs and our extra second rounder brings us another player that can make a difference to the fortunes of our Bills

 

Go Bills

[bowery4]

Some people just don't like to be surprised.