Dorkington Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 Love the comments from all of the GMs-in-training on this board who know precisely what would or would not have transpired in every trade-down or trade-up scenario involving all 32 teams. I mean, some reasonable speculation is fine, but the "it was a panic move" crap is ridiculous. Three years from now, if EJ Manuel is a top-ten QB and the Bills are a regular playoff team, will anyone really think drafting him at #16 was a "reach?" People are funny. Unfortunately, there's a much better chance that we'll be replacing him within the next three years, and also looking for a new coaching staff. Hopefully, for once, we get something to stick. :-/
ChasBB Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 (edited) Jim Miller talked a bit about Manuel on Sirius earlier - he felt EJ was by far the best QB and always felt EJ would be the first QB off the board. Said Manuel was head and shoulders above all of the other QBs at the Senior Bowl in terms of prep, poise, knowledge, ability to throw it, etc. Can't wait to see how EJ develops!! https://soundcloud.c...-nfl-draft-pick (sound link from Miller & Brandt when the selection happened) Edited April 29, 2013 by ChasBB
IDBillzFan Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 Jaws was just on ESPN raving about Manuel and talking about how he is a Day 1 starter. He was high on Losman, too. His opinion, and everyone else's, is useless. That is to say, a number of things have to happen for Manuel to be successful, and a number things have to not happen for Manuel to be successful, and none of them involve what anyone thinks of the pick. When you have a team that is turning over management every few years, you're already years behind...say...a Colts team that loses a Hall of Famer (who, I believe, will bring Denver a title), craps a year, and then return to the playoffs with a first-year quarterback. There has to be enough Marrone, Manuel success to keep them together, while also not flipping offensive coordinators and plans and receivers and linemen. It's a complete and total crapshoot now, and the only thing you can do at this point is watch and hope.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 (edited) When you have a team that is turning over management every few years, you're already years behind...say...a Colts team that loses a Hall of Famer (who, I believe, will bring Denver a title), craps a year, and then return to the playoffs with a first-year quarterback. Not sure what your point is regarding the Colts. They had a new regime last year after sucking horribly the year before. So they flipped management, coaches and coordinators and were also the recipients of very good fortune in having Andrew Luck fall into their laps. I don't think you can give the Colts credit for anything that's happened the last two years. As far as Manning bringing Denver a title, that's a bold prediction. Edited April 29, 2013 by San Jose Bills Fan
GG Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 It's a complete and total crapshoot now, and the only thing you can do at this point is watch and hope. And if that fails, you can always wager a dinner on the season's prediction.
thebug Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 He was high on Losman, too. His opinion, and everyone else's, is useless. That is to say, a number of things have to happen for Manuel to be successful, and a number things have to not happen for Manuel to be successful, and none of them involve what anyone thinks of the pick. When you have a team that is turning over management every few years, you're already years behind...say...a Colts team that loses a Hall of Famer (who, I believe, will bring Denver a title), craps a year, and then return to the playoffs with a first-year quarterback. There has to be enough Marrone, Manuel success to keep them together, while also not flipping offensive coordinators and plans and receivers and linemen. It's a complete and total crapshoot now, and the only thing you can do at this point is watch and hope. Has there ever been anything else we could do?
26CornerBlitz Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 (edited) Peter King MMQB: http://sportsillustr...ct=uk_wr_a1#all Doug Marrone did what he had to do. Doug Marrone knows he got his head-coaching job in Buffalo in large part due to the success he had in turning around the Syracuse program. And the player who contributed the most to that success was Marrone's quarterback Ryan Nassib. We all know what happened now: Buffalo general manager Buddy Nix and Marrone (and the 33-year-old offensive coordinator he brought from Syracuse, Nathaniel Hackett, to a lesser extent) studied the quarterbacks in this spring's flawed quarterback market, knowing the Bills would likely pick one high in the draft ... and they chose Florida State's E.J. Manuel over Nassib. Nix has the final personnel say in the traditional general manager/coach relationship in Buffalo. But I'm also told it wouldn't have mattered who had the last call in picking the quarterback in Buffalo: Nix and Marrone both judged Manuel the best quarterback in the crop. Buffalo traded from number eight in the first round to number 16, picked Manuel at 16, and stashed an extra second-round pick in the process. Edited April 29, 2013 by 26CornerBlitz
26CornerBlitz Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 @buffalobills QB @EJManuel3, OC Nathaniel Hackett excited about fit in Buffalo http://ow.ly/kwNP7
Heitz Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 https://soundcloud.c...-nfl-draft-pick (sound link from Miller & Brandt when the selection happened) That was great - I missed that (though they were playing the Miller scream as a bumper on Sirius), thanks for the link. You also have to like what Nix had to say: Interesting that we DID have a chance to move back again, but Buddy didn't have the guts! At the time I would have thought about it (but I bet I drank WAY more beer than Buddy), but in hindsight, I'm glad the way it all played out. He was the guy - we got him!
ChasBB Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 That was great - I missed that (though they were playing the Miller scream as a bumper on Sirius), thanks for the link. You also have to like what Nix had to say: https://soundcloud.c...ls-gm-buddy-nix Interesting that we DID have a chance to move back again, but Buddy didn't have the guts! At the time I would have thought about it (but I bet I drank WAY more beer than Buddy), but in hindsight, I'm glad the way it all played out. He was the guy - we got him! Nice link. From all I've read and seen, it sounds to me like at least 2 other teams, if not more, had a pretty strong interest in Manuel. I think Buddy was smart to not get greedy with more draft picks and to just hang at 16. It's just too big of a risk to lose your QB. I think Buddy played it perfectly.
jaybee Posted April 30, 2013 Posted April 30, 2013 I'm hearing a lot of fans and analysts saying Buffalo should make EJ the day 1 starter. Is it not premature to make a statement like that? The kid needs to go thru training camp, learn the system, get reps. Same with Kolb and TJ It seems obvious to me that you just cant say throw him into the fire when he hasn't even been assigned his locker yet. Let the process play out. After week 4 of the preseason is when that assessment / opinion can be made. Some of these radio guys are killing me today. Needed to vent a little !!
ChasBB Posted April 30, 2013 Posted April 30, 2013 (edited) I'm hearing a lot of fans and analysts saying Buffalo should make EJ the day 1 starter. Is it not premature to make a statement like that? The kid needs to go thru training camp, learn the system, get reps. Same with Kolb and TJ It seems obvious to me that you just cant say throw him into the fire when he hasn't even been assigned his locker yet. Let the process play out. After week 4 of the preseason is when that assessment / opinion can be made. Some of these radio guys are killing me today. Needed to vent a little !! Actually, I saw a pic yesterday on Buffalobils.com of his new locker (http://www.buffalobi...e3-2566a824a9ec - pic 14) But, point taken -- let the best man win the starting job in an open competition. Edited April 30, 2013 by ChasBB
Lurker Posted April 30, 2013 Posted April 30, 2013 Jaws was just on ESPN raving about Manuel and talking about how he is a Day 1 starter. Hate to slag on Ron, but I'd like him to go back to bring the reserved, knowledgeable guy he used to be, rather than the 'big voice' talking head he's becoming...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 30, 2013 Posted April 30, 2013 Hate to slag on Ron, but I'd like him to go back to bring the reserved, knowledgeable guy he used to be, rather than the 'big voice' talking head he's becoming... ESPN is all about style over substance. If you don't play their game, you lose air time and eventually are looking for employment. I detest ESPN.
jaybee Posted April 30, 2013 Posted April 30, 2013 Actually, I saw a pic yesterday on Buffalobils.com of his new locker (http://www.buffalobi...e3-2566a824a9ec - pic 14) Awe crap ! I'm having a bad day. LOL !!
Bangarang Posted April 30, 2013 Posted April 30, 2013 This kid is starting week 1. It's going to evident during camp who the better QB is and the offense will be built around EJ. This franchise lacks patience. Once Kolb throws his first incomplete pass, everyone will be calling for EJ. Let this kid learn from his mistakes and build on his successes. It's going to be evident very early on how much better EJ will be than Kolb or Jackson.
DrDawkinstein Posted April 30, 2013 Posted April 30, 2013 Hate to slag on Ron, but I'd like him to go back to bring the reserved, knowledgeable guy he used to be, rather than the 'big voice' talking head he's becoming... ESPN is all about style over substance. If you don't play their game, you lose air time and eventually are looking for employment. I detest ESPN. Especially right now when he is fighting for air time with Herm Edwards, McShay, and Kiper. Lots of guys that like to talk over each other there. He'll calm down a little once the season starts.
Donald Duck Posted April 30, 2013 Posted April 30, 2013 This kid is starting week 1. It's going to evident during camp who the better QB is and the offense will be built around EJ. This franchise lacks patience. Once Kolb throws his first incomplete pass, everyone will be calling for EJ. Let this kid learn from his mistakes and build on his successes. It's going to be evident very early on how much better EJ will be than Kolb or Jackson. Kolb will be the starter, Travis Jackson the backup (my humble opinion)
Canadian Bills Fan Posted April 30, 2013 Posted April 30, 2013 All I know is that I am really looking forward to watching the pre season games this year CBF
Dorkington Posted April 30, 2013 Posted April 30, 2013 Just watched all the interviews and the what not. I like this kid's personality a lot. Hopefully he lives up to his highlight packages.
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