Jamie Nails Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 I actually think Philly may have jumped us if we pressed our luck and traded down too many slots in the 1st. Then we would have panicked and taken Nassib super early- we all know how that is playing out. I'm glad we didn't gamble further and got our guy. Let it play out, peeps
thebug Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 We could've traded back a bit further probably and taken him at the end of the 1st round and gathered up more picks. This was a boneheaded pick if you ask me. This guy's not even ready to start day 1 and had other needs that could've contributed in his first year. 49ers were right there willing to trade up for Eric Reid and could've been an ideal trade partner. Drafting Manuel near the end of the 1st round wouldn't have been as bad. That was a panic move if I ever saw one. Don't think any team would've traded back into the 1st for EJ Manuel. Just didn't see it happening. Not all picks are about this year. We are not winning the Superbowl this year. You can't fix eveything in one draft.
filthymcnasty08 Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 I actually think Philly may have jumped us if we pressed our luck and traded down too many slots in the 1st. Then we would have panicked and taken Nassib super early- we all know how that is playing out. I'm glad we didn't gamble further and got our guy. Let it play out, peeps At 31 (SF): The Pats would have GLADLY handed Philly #29 to let them jump us and F the Bills. I thought we may have had a shot to go 16 to 25 (Vikes)
jjmac Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 We could've traded back a bit further probably and taken him at the end of the 1st round and gathered up more picks. This was a boneheaded pick if you ask me. This guy's not even ready to start day 1 and had other needs that could've contributed in his first year. 49ers were right there willing to trade up for Eric Reid and could've been an ideal trade partner. Drafting Manuel near the end of the 1st round wouldn't have been as bad. That was a panic move if I ever saw one. Don't think any team would've traded back into the 1st for EJ Manuel. Just didn't see it happening.i Ask Aaron Rogers about being a 1st-round QB and not starting right away. What amazes me is that people will not give out players a chance to develop or our coaches a chance to ply their trade before they write players off.
Max997 Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 We could've traded back a bit further probably and taken him at the end of the 1st round and gathered up more picks. This was a boneheaded pick if you ask me. This guy's not even ready to start day 1 and had other needs that could've contributed in his first year. 49ers were right there willing to trade up for Eric Reid and could've been an ideal trade partner. Drafting Manuel near the end of the 1st round wouldn't have been as bad. That was a panic move if I ever saw one. Don't think any team would've traded back into the 1st for EJ Manuel. Just didn't see it happening. They got an extra second and a 7th while also getting the QB they wanted. I get what ur saying but can't really complain about that outcome especially when it was obvious the Eagles were high on him
thewildrabbit Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 The read option is in vogue right now in the NFL, and EJ is another Cam Newton only without the bad history and short amount of college playing time. This kid is squeaky clean, has his mom right next to him on the podium and looks to have a strong family values. So he is NOT a Cam Newton, Vince Young, JaMarcus Russell type. That said, EJ is not ready to be a Fitz type pocket QB as he has so much to learn. The NFL nomenclature, reading NFL defenses, setting line protections. It might take a year or more of development before he sits in the pocket and goes thru his progressions without running after the first read is not there. IMO The Bills will setup a read option for EJ and let him work that style of offense while he learns the NFL pro style. BTW, No other team but the Jets took a QB in the 2nd or 3rd rounds except Mike Glennon to the Buc's. Not Arizona, Oakland, Philly, Jacksonville, Cleveland. So taking EJ at #16.... "Manuel needs lots of time to grow into a quarterback. Right now, he's an athlete playing quarterback. He needs to go to a team with a stable front office and coaching situation where he can develop at a slower pace. He can't run a NFL offense right now without significantly watering down the offense, or tailoring the offense the way Fisher did at Florida State. While Manuel is ultra-smart, there's a difference between studying and making decisions at NFL speeds, and Manuel needs help with the latter. A team that takes Manuel needs to have a long-term development plan. A team that does so could have a quarterback like Colin Kaepernick... or, if they rush him to the field, Tim Tebow." http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2013/4/21/4234106/ej-manuel-2013-nfl-draft-scouting-report
Lurker Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Good read: http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/02/27/the-kaepernick-project-fsu-qb-e-j-manuel/
Big Turk Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) It was clearly a panic move. Last year Buddy blew it by not selecting a QB and this year he was desperate. They picked a couple players a round too early. The draft is not just about selecting players, but managing where and when you select them. How soon will Nix be leaving? Nah, that would be like the dude who wins some money gambling, doesn't know when to stop, and ends up giving it all back plus all of his own and ends up broke...no need to try and be greedy. If that's their guy, then take him... Edited April 27, 2013 by matter2003
thewildrabbit Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) They got an extra second and a 7th while also getting the QB they wanted. I get what ur saying but can't really complain about that outcome especially when it was obvious the Eagles were high on him Really? Did they even take a QB thru rounds 3. No! I can see why the Bills wanted EJ, I just happen to think they drafted him way to early considering nassib and barkley are STILL on the board at round 4.jeez Its tough to fight panic when you get old Edited April 27, 2013 by FeartheLosing
OCinBuffalo Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 At 31 (SF): The Pats would have GLADLY handed Philly #29 to let them jump us and F the Bills. I thought we may have had a shot to go 16 to 25 (Vikes) I wish there was a "mandatory reading" page that popped up right after login here. Like a software license, you can't click "continue" until you at least scroll throught the whole thing. This would be #1 on that list.
rayray808 Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 we got the guy we wanted plus an extra 2... WIN
Kelly the Dog Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 In the Jimbo Fisher interview he says that EJ is the second leading career percentage passer in ACC history, and first at Florida State. This says he is third, but only one point behind the all time leader, Matt Shaub. http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/acc/leaders/pass-cmp-pct-player-career.html
ajzepp Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 I got really excited back in 2004 when we drafted JP. I found myself rooting for the kid to succeed and I was really bummed when he didn't pan out. It's been that long since I've been this excited about the future of the QB position, and I'm finding it really hard to find a single thing about EJ that I don't like. Each criticism I've heard I've researched to see what others have said about it, and it's really resulted in my having quite a lot of optimism and confidence early on in this pick. I'm finding myself really rooting for him, just as I did with JP nine years ago. He says he's ready to get to work and I believe him.
stevestojan Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 With only 2 qbs in 1st three rounds, it looks like if bills "waited" like most are saying they should have, we may have missed on ej Based on facts, your statement is the opposite of logic.
djp14150 Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 NIx said in the interview posted to Buffalobills.com that they had a chance to trade down from 16 but passed on it to be sure they got EJ. No specification as to who the trade was to be with or what the bills would have received in return for the 16th pick. The concern was with Chip Kelly at Philadelphia. He heavily recruited him to Oregon. He has the skill set to fit his system. The belief is he would have drafted him in the 2nd round or possibly traded to a reachable point in the first round to select him.
section122 Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Really? Did they even take a QB thru rounds 3. No! I can see why the Bills wanted EJ, I just happen to think they drafted him way to early considering nassib and barkley are STILL on the board at round 4.jeez Its tough to fight panic when you get old You are treating every qb as if they were the same. Perhaps the reason they didn't take a qb is because ej was the only one they liked. Just because they didn't take a qb doesn't mean they wouldn't have taken ej
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 It was clearly a panic move. Last year Buddy blew it by not selecting a QB and this year he was desperate. They picked a couple players a round too early. The draft is not just about selecting players, but managing where and when you select them. How soon will Nix be leaving? not soon enough
Johnny Hammersticks Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 The concern was with Chip Kelly at Philadelphia. He heavily recruited him to Oregon. He has the skill set to fit his system. The belief is he would have drafted him in the 2nd round or possibly traded to a reachable point in the first round to select him. Don't come around here with your "reasonable speculation." I got my torches and pitchforks ready to storm the gates at OBD!!! DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NorthWesternBill Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Why are you guys up so late? west coast?
Johnny Hammersticks Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Why are you guys up so late? west coast? Alaska. Draft starts at 8am for me tomorrow. Better get to bed.
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