If you don't believe in global warming, you're standing in the

[3rdnlng]

:wallbash:

Holy. ****. You. dumb. mother. !@#$er. The CCM is an example I am using, that I am more familiar with, because it is new and quickly becoming widely used and accepted as a viable form of data mapping. The. Point. I. Am. Trying. To. Get. Across. To you're idiotic as is:

 

You don't need to data map car ownership and insurance sales to know they effect each other. It's a given. But if you did, you would find that the correlation in that point would indicate causation. You don't need CCM to find out that clouds cause rain. But if you did you would find a strong causation to correlation relationship. And you don't need to data map to find that CO2 has a relationship with green house effect. But if you did... And you don't need to use the CCM to data map. There are plenty of other methods available.

 

Now, can you find a data map (it doesn't even have to be a CCM) that shows a strong causation to correlation between car ownership and gun violence be my guest. But I doubt you will. Therefore your argument that car ownership's correlation with gun violence is the same type of correlation as CO2 with global climate change is a load of ****.

 

You keep bringing this back to the CCM because you don't have a real argument. So please, enjoy Siguhara's paper. Then come back and try to argue the point instead of running off down a rabbit hole when you don't have a point to be made.

 

So now, are you a physicist? Or are you so incredibly good at it that you don't even work in the field? And sorry I forgot what your degree was in. I keep forgetting that your sense of self importance dictates that we should know everything you've ever told us.

 

This really shows the value of a masters degree.

[B-Man]

Narrative fail.......................................lol

 

Tornado spike in 2011 attributed to climate change. So what to make of this year’s tornado drought?

 

Obviously, another troubling sign of climate change.

 

 

 

“For the first time since written weather history began in Arkansas (1819), snow has fallen in the month of May.”

 

 

 

If only we had a carbon tax and credit exchange between the "rich", industrialized countries and the poor, deserving countries.....................all this could be avoided.

 

 

.

[3rdnlng]

Narrative fail.......................................lol

 

Tornado spike in 2011 attributed to climate change. So what to make of this year’s tornado drought?

 

Obviously, another troubling sign of climate change.

 

 

 

“For the first time since written weather history began in Arkansas (1819), snow has fallen in the month of May.”

 

 

 

If only we had a carbon tax and credit exchange between the "rich", industrialized countries and the poor, deserving countries.....................all this could be avoided.

 

 

.

 

It's like a UN sponsered redistribution of wealth. Let's send billions of our money this way so these enlightened (6 not 7) great leaders can build windmills and put solar panels everywhere. They are true humanitarians. We should march in Seattle for them. Just a little sample after the link.

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.chocolatecity.cc/2011/02/18/africas-seven-worst-living-tyrants-and-dictators/

 

 

 

Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo of Equatorial Guinea

 

Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo – For 32 years, Obiang has imposed himself upon the people of Equatorial Guinea. He assumed power in Equatorial Guinea when he kicked his uncle Macias out of the palace in August 1979. He was elected in 1996 and 2002 during the country’s first two multi-party elections, both widely deemed fraudulent. A quote from an article, “Who's Africa’s Worst Dictator?” referred to administration as, “His is the Switzerland of dictatorships—so effective at enforcing obedience that the spectacle of unrest is invisible. Most domestic and international observers consider his regime to be one of the most corrupt, ethnocentric, oppressive and undemocratic states in the world. Equatorial Guinea is now essentially a single-party state, dominated by Obiang's Democratic Party of Equatorial Guinea (PDGE). In 2008 American journalist Peter Maass called Obiang Africa's worst dictator, worse than Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe. The constitution grants Obiang wide powers, including the power to rule by decree.

Jose Eduardo dos Santos of Angola

 

Jose Eduardo dos Santos – For 30 years, dos Santos has imposed himself upon the people of Angola. He assumed Angola’s presidency in September 1979. Since then, the nation rich in oil and diamonds has remained mostly poor. In 2010, Angola's parliament approved a new Constitution that will further concentrate power in the hands of President José Eduardo dos Santos. Under the new Constitution, dos Santos, 67, will not have to be directly voted into office by the populace. Instead, the president will be selected by the victorious party in parliamentary elections. dos Santos’s party, the governing Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola, known as the M.P.L.A., dominates Parliament and controls the state media and a lode of oil-fueled patronage.

 

Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe

 

Robert Mugabe – For 31 years, Mugabe has imposed himself upon the people of Zimbabwe. He became Zimbabwe’s prime minister in 1980 following independence from Great Britain. The former Marxist guerrilla became president in 1987 and has held fast to that position despite a deep financial crisis pushing inflation above 200,000 percent. He formed a unity government in 2009 with opposition Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai.

At 87-years-old, instead of retiring, Mugabe is determine to cling on to power until his last breath. His health his health has deteriorated and compromise critical government operations. Mugabe is currently in Singapore for an unspecified medical procedure thus making it impossible for the cabinet to meet for their usual Tuesday meeting. Zimbabwe’s cabinet meets every Tuesday from 9am in the cabinet room at Munhumutapa Building in Harare to discuss issues concerning the nation.Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai, who has been fighting with Mugabe over the chairing of cabinet, said yesterday government business should not be disrupted by the president’s absence. “The prime minister’s view is that government business should not be sacrificed due to the absence of any one of the leaders of the country. We should follow constitutional mechanisms when it comes to the sitting of cabinet and council of ministers,” Tsvangirai’s spokesman Luke Tamborinyoka said. “This means in the absence of the chair, the deputy must preside over the relevant body to allow government business to proceed uninterrupted.”

[DC Tom]

:wallbash:

Holy. ****. You. dumb. mother. !@#$er. The CCM is an example I am using, that I am more familiar with, because it is new and quickly becoming widely used and accepted as a viable form of data mapping. The. Point. I. Am. Trying. To. Get. Across. To you're idiotic as is:

 

You don't need to data map car ownership and insurance sales to know they effect each other. It's a given. But if you did, you would find that the correlation in that point would indicate causation. You don't need CCM to find out that clouds cause rain. But if you did you would find a strong causation to correlation relationship. And you don't need to data map to find that CO2 has a relationship with green house effect. But if you did... And you don't need to use the CCM to data map. There are plenty of other methods available.

 

Now, can you find a data map (it doesn't even have to be a CCM) that shows a strong causation to correlation between car ownership and gun violence be my guest. But I doubt you will. Therefore your argument that car ownership's correlation with gun violence is the same type of correlation as CO2 with global climate change is a load of ****.

 

You keep bringing this back to the CCM because you don't have a real argument. So please, enjoy Siguhara's paper. Then come back and try to argue the point instead of running off down a rabbit hole when you don't have a point to be made.

 

So now, are you a physicist? Or are you so incredibly good at it that you don't even work in the field? And sorry I forgot what your degree was in. I keep forgetting that your sense of self importance dictates that we should know everything you've ever told us.

 

You're the (*^*&%^$^#that brought up CCM. Again, this whole thing is gets back to your idiotic "correlation does not equal causation, but THIS particular correlation does in this case" that you tried to justify ex post facto with CCM.

 

Now you're trying to generalize it into more of a statement of "Correlation doesn't equal causation, but causation causes correlation," which is just compounding your stupidity. Yes, I pointed out that car ownership correlates more strongly with gun violence than gun ownership - that was to illustrate your own fallacy to you, of drawing THE CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP you did from CO2 and warming from THE CORRELATIVE RELATIONSHIP you admitted it was.

 

Then you started in with the bull **** about Sugihara's work, and how it demonstrated that you can determine causation from correlation...which had absolutely nothing to do with your earlier posts on the subject, or anything you're saying now. Again: this is about your idiotic post of "Well, this correlates, and correlation isn't causation, but it so strongly correlates it shows cause." Which again, gets us back to the point that: you're only arguing with your own idiotic self here.

[Bigfatbillsfan]

You're the (*^*&%^$^#that brought up CCM. Again, this whole thing is gets back to your idiotic "correlation does not equal causation, but THIS particular correlation does in this case" that you tried to justify ex post facto with CCM.

 

Now you're trying to generalize it into more of a statement of "Correlation doesn't equal causation, but causation causes correlation," which is just compounding your stupidity. Yes, I pointed out that car ownership correlates more strongly with gun violence than gun ownership - that was to illustrate your own fallacy to you, of drawing THE CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP you did from CO2 and warming from THE CORRELATIVE RELATIONSHIP you admitted it was.

 

Then you started in with the bull **** about Sugihara's work, and how it demonstrated that you can determine causation from correlation...which had absolutely nothing to do with your earlier posts on the subject, or anything you're saying now. Again: this is about your idiotic post of "Well, this correlates, and correlation isn't causation, but it so strongly correlates it shows cause." Which again, gets us back to the point that: you're only arguing with your own idiotic self here.

 

I'm trying to generalize it? No, you're trying to make this about the CCM because you cannot us any type of data mapping to show that a rise in CO2 correlating with a rise in global temperature is illusory correlation. However, you can use data mapping to show illusory correlation between car ownership and gun violence. I've stated this a bunch of times now in this thread and you keep asserting that they are the same. They are not.

 

I have to hand it to you Tom, no one beats the **** out of their own straw man argument like you.

[Jauronimo]

I'm trying to generalize it? No, you're trying to make this about the CCM because you cannot us any type of data mapping to show that a rise in CO2 correlating with a rise in global temperature is illusory correlation. However, you can use data mapping to show illusory correlation between car ownership and gun violence. I've stated this a bunch of times now in this thread and you keep asserting that they are the same. They are not.

 

I have to hand it to you Tom, no one beats the **** out of their own straw man argument like you.

Not only do you have no idea what Tom is saying, its pretty clear you don't seem to comprehend what you've said either.

[Bigfatbillsfan]

Not only do you have no idea what Tom is saying, its pretty clear you don't seem to comprehend what you've said either.

 

Sure, whatever...

[/dev/null]

Not only do you have no idea what Tom is saying, its pretty clear you don't seem to comprehend what you've said either.

 

Understanding is irrelevant with the Global Warming Climate Change crowd. It's the belief/unquestioned loyalty they're after

[3rdnlng]

Understanding is irrelevant with the Global Warming Climate Change crowd. It's the belief/unquestioned loyalty they're after

 

I think we need to settle the issue once and for all and take a vote to determine if man made global warming is a scientific fact.

[Jauronimo]

I think we need to settle the issue once and for all and take a vote to determine if man made global warming is a scientific fact.

I think the one thing we can all agree on is that there is a correlation between CO2 emissions and the greenhouse effect. While correlation is not proof of causation, it is very strong evidence that CO2 emissions have a causal relationship with the greenhouse effect. Therefore the greenhouse effect is man made and is responsible for Global Warming which is why the average temperature around the globe has declined. Also, there's an extremely high correlation between gun violence and car ownership. That much is indisputable. However, the correlation between gun violence and car ownership is in no way reflective of a causal relationship because everyone knows that correlation alone is NOT evidence of causation.

[3rdnlng]

I think the one thing we can all agree on is that there is a correlation between CO2 emissions and the greenhouse effect. While correlation is not proof of causation, it is very strong evidence that CO2 emissions have a causal relationship with the greenhouse effect. Therefore the greenhouse effect is man made and is responsible for Global Warming which is why the average temperature around the globe has declined. Also, there's an extremely high correlation between gun violence and car ownership. That much is indisputable. However, the correlation between gun violence and car ownership is in no way reflective of a causal relationship because everyone knows that correlation alone is NOT evidence of causation.

 

You need to get a life and spend time with your family and stuff rather than having your whole existence revolve around some political board.

[Bigfatbillsfan]

Understanding is irrelevant with the Global Warming Climate Change crowd. It's the belief/unquestioned loyalty they're after

 

Understanding is knowing the difference between illusory and positive correlation. I don't have to believe anything. The idea that the correlation between ice cream and murder is the same as correlation between CO2 and Climate is crazy at best.

 

I think the one thing we can all agree on is that there is a correlation between CO2 emissions and the greenhouse effect. While correlation is not proof of causation, it is very strong evidence that CO2 emissions have a causal relationship with the greenhouse effect. Therefore the greenhouse effect is man made and is responsible for Global Warming which is why the average temperature around the globe has declined. Also, there's an extremely high correlation between gun violence and car ownership. That much is indisputable. However, the correlation between gun violence and car ownership is in no way reflective of a causal relationship because everyone knows that correlation alone is NOT evidence of causation.

 

Now I would like you to find a data map proving that the correlation between car ownership and gun violence in not illusory.

[DC Tom]

Understanding is knowing the difference between illusory and positive correlation. I don't have to believe anything. The idea that the correlation between ice cream and murder is the same as correlation between CO2 and Climate is crazy at best.

 

 

 

Now I would like you to find a data map proving that the correlation between car ownership and gun violence in not illusory.

 

And the correlation between car ownership and gun violence being greater than the correlation between gun ownership and gun violence is NOT an illusory correlation - it's both real, and meaningful. Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of sociology should be able to figure out why inside of three minutes.

[meazza]

Is this another stats thread?

[DC Tom]

Is this another stats thread?

 

Not until we find BF-squared's personal "fried crap" recipe. That will no doubt take two hours to cook.

[3rdnlng]

And the correlation between car ownership and gun violence being greater than the correlation between gun ownership and gun violence is NOT an illusory correlation - it's both real, and meaningful. Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of sociology should be able to figure out why inside of three minutes.

 

What happens if you widen it from car ownership to vehicle ownership (like including pick-up trucks)? I didn't get a degree in sociology so I'm not too good with statistics.

[DC Tom]

What happens if you widen it from car ownership to vehicle ownership (like including pick-up trucks)? I didn't get a degree in sociology so I'm not too good with statistics.

 

"Car" ownership, in this case, is a colloquial term meaning "automobile" ownership, including trucks and SUVs (but not heavy-duty rigs).

 

And don't worry...a degree in sociology wouldn't make you any better with statistics, apparently.

[3rdnlng]

"Car" ownership, in this case, is a colloquial term meaning "automobile" ownership, including trucks and SUVs (but not heavy-duty rigs).

 

And don't worry...a degree in sociology wouldn't make you any better with statistics, apparently.

 

Well, I heard those damn statistics just lie anyways!

[DC Tom]

Well, I heard those damn statistics just lie anyways!

 

Well, they do correlate with lying. Which doesn't mean they cause lying...but they do, according to CCM.

[3rdnlng]

Well, they do correlate with lying. Which doesn't mean they cause lying...but they do, according to CCM.

 

Graphs are fun.