bobinaz Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 With the Jets now having 2 first round picks, I can't see the Bills waiting til round 2 for a QB let alone trading down behind the Jets second pick. I've said all along, screw Kiper, Mayock, Casserly and who ever else is a draft know it all. Take the QB you want at 8 and don't risk losing out on him because you waited. Buddy and company can't afford to screw the pooch on a QB this year.
ndirish1978 Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Post-Revis trade, the Bills have less flexibility. The jets need a qb and they now have 2 picks in the middle of the round to scoop one up. If the bills covet someone they may not be able to trade past the jets and still get their guy. I trust joe buscaglia. He's nailed our last 3 first rd picks and even got Glenn in th 2nd last year: if he says we're looking at Barkley or nassib at 8, I believe it.
BillsWatch Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Hopefully some GMs who insist they will take a QB even if talent is not there will swap picks with Bills for 'honor' of picking first.
NewEra Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Exactly. I feel that they got Kolb so that they do not have to reach at 8 for a non-top 10 QB SF is likely to be packaging up picks to someone come draft day....They have few and very specific needs for their SB-ready roster. I'm hoping the #8 slot is where SF can target Vaccaro - we then get our QB late 1.......and plug away the holes with 4 more picks in 2/3. My buddy is a die hard niner fan and says the niners are looking to trade up into the top 15, but not for vaccaro. I think he should be the pick as well, but Datone Jones looks to be their target.
Nitro Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 He was a good interview. The draft questions on who they will pick at 8 was silly. The Bills are in a pickle. They amde it known that they will be drafting a QB, Not good if you want some trade flexibility. Then the overall attitude is that this QB class is avereage, no "franchise" QB ala Andrew Luck this year. Geno Smith is rated in the early to mid 20s in the first round on most draft sites, ESPN and NFL Network. So if they stand pat at 8th and draft a QB, they will be accused of reaching. If they don't and sit at 41st and get the 3rd or 4th ranked QB, they will be villified for not acting sooner. Worse case scenario is drafting a QB in the first and he turn up to be a stiff. The draft has plenty of QBs taken in the first round that has turned into a bust. Buyer beware. I don't envy the decision makers in the front office.
KeisterHollow Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) Exactly. I feel that they got Kolb so that they do not have to reach at 8 for a non-top 10 QB SF is likely to be packaging up picks to someone come draft day....They have few and very specific needs for their SB-ready roster. I'm hoping the #8 slot is where SF can target Vaccaro - we then get our QB late 1.......and plug away the holes with 4 more picks in 2/3. All these predictions about Buffalo finding a trade partner for the draft are often times shot down by people on this site - saying "no one's going to give up X amount of picks to get Y player when they could have..." BUT, the one thing I think Buffalo has on it's side in regards to a potential trade down (and, I only see that happening if they're NOT in love with a particular QB) is I think Buffalo would be willing to take LESS than the traditionally or conventionally accepted amount, due to the fact that the talent is similar and they value extra picks in the first 3 or 4 rounds enough to trade back without necessarily getting two 1st round picks and then some, but maybe only swap 1sts, a 2nd, a 4th, and a 7th - or something like that. I just think Buffalo might be willing to take less to get the extra picks. My buddy is a die hard niner fan and says the niners are looking to trade up into the top 15, but not for vaccaro. I think he should be the pick as well, but Datone Jones looks to be their target. I wouldn't be surprised if they're not hoping to land Lutulelei. They need someone to replace Smith / play NT. Or the top WR? Edited April 23, 2013 by KeisterHollow
Giaimo25 Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 I'd say DO NOT SETTLE for any of this year's QBs... Once we draft one we are stuck with them for at least a few years even if they stink. Having them will prevent the team from getting a better one next year... I don't think that's true. Look at Carolina they drafted Clausen in the first round the first year of the rookie cap and figured out soon it wasn't going to work and they went with cam newton the very next year. With the rookie cap I don't think taking a chance on a guy this year is as horrendous as it was before the rookie scale was implemented (i.e Sanchez)
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Yeah i saw it, the anchor was asking really dumb questions, like please tell me who are you going to pick at 8? Anyways he said he a great conversation with Matt Barkley and he seems intelligent about the system there running in buffalo. From what i came away with is that we will be drafting a Nassib or Barkely hands down. I dont think @ 8 though. please don't let it be Barkley, I can live with Nassib in the second but not the first. EJ Manuel is a no brainer.. trade down.. He has no brain ?!
thewildrabbit Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 NFN guys but why on gods green earth would the jets take a QB this year? They are still married to Sanchez for a boatload of cash against the cap. Besides they are in full rebuild mode from what I see. In a year thats noted to have a weak QB class why reach for one at all if you don't need to? I can see the Jets going LB/ DE and OL or WR, just not QB
Mickey Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 If its not at #8 its not going to happen. QB's are climbing the charts and if you have a guy you want you take him, you do NOT wait and hope he is there later and you do NOT SETTLE! Would you be happy if they took Ryan Nassib, a guy Mayock and just about everyone else has as the 50th best prospect, with the 8th pick in the draft? If so, fair enough but with all the holes we have, I think it would be a waste of a pick. Add in that in any other draft Nassib would barely make the top 100 and its a no brainer, for me at least. Pass on Nassib at 8.
fansince88 Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 I'd say DO NOT SETTLE for any of this year's QBs... Once we draft one we are stuck with them for at least a few years even if they stink. Having them will prevent the team from getting a better one next year... So I ask is there a reason you wouldnt want one of them as a long term backup? The way our QB contracts are they are not married to two of the guys we have past this year. Take the qb you like. If it is a mistake try again next year.
eball Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Would you be happy if they took Ryan Nassib, a guy Mayock and just about everyone else has as the 50th best prospect, with the 8th pick in the draft? If so, fair enough but with all the holes we have, I think it would be a waste of a pick. Add in that in any other draft Nassib would barely make the top 100 and its a no brainer, for me at least. Pass on Nassib at 8. And then again, a guy like Russ Lande tabs Nassib as the #1 prospect in the entire draft. It's really not that simple, kids.
nucci Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 I still don't think they take a QB at 8. As bad as Fitz was last year we lost 4 games where we scored over 30 points. The D needs the most attention and there is no need to reach for a QB unless you really like him. I have no problem waiting another year as these guys apparently are not all that impressive.
Canadian Bills Fan Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 I don't think that's true. Look at Carolina they drafted Clausen in the first round the first year of the rookie cap and figured out soon it wasn't going to work and they went with cam newton the very next year. With the rookie cap I don't think taking a chance on a guy this year is as horrendous as it was before the rookie scale was implemented (i.e Sanchez) Clausen was a 2nd round pick CBF
26CornerBlitz Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 You know....blah blah blah....You know...Ryan Nassib....blah blah...You know....blah blah blah...Matt Barkley....You know....blah blah blah....Thanks for having me.
nucci Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 I don't think that's true. Look at Carolina they drafted Clausen in the first round the first year of the rookie cap and figured out soon it wasn't going to work and they went with cam newton the very next year. With the rookie cap I don't think taking a chance on a guy this year is as horrendous as it was before the rookie scale was implemented (i.e Sanchez) It wouldn't be horrendous money wise but a big mistake if you get a player at No.8 who doesn't pan out.
BILLS_ROC Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 With the rookie cap I don't think taking a chance on a guy this year is as horrendous as it was before the rookie scale was implemented (i.e Sanchez) Great point about the rookie cap! It would be a shame to pass on a better player at number 8 to take a chance though. I am still working with my shrink on my bitterness towards the Colts organization, and I think sometimes it comes out in my posts. Thank you for helping to inject some sound thought into my sometimes biased logic.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 He has no brain ?! Yeah but he has great measurables although now you have me worried about the size of his superior temporal sulcus. It wouldn't be horrendous money wise but a big mistake if you get a player at No.8 who doesn't pan out. Like when Donte Whitner didn't pan out?
BILLS_ROC Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) So I ask is there a reason you wouldnt want one of them as a long term backup? The way our QB contracts are they are not married to two of the guys we have past this year. Take the qb you like. If it is a mistake try again next year. Well, I may be ignorant regarding how rookie contracts work, but I am going off the assumption that the contract a rookie QB drafted at 8 will receive, may end up at higher than what you want to pay a backup qb. Also, the front office may be worried about the perception if they use a # 8 for someone that they dump after 1 season in order to take another shot next year. Edited April 23, 2013 by BILLS_ROC
shibuya Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) If its not at #8 its not going to happen. QB's are climbing the charts and if you have a guy you want you take him, you do NOT wait and hope he is there later and you do NOT SETTLE! THIS!!!! OK tell me all the teams you think will be drafting a QB behind us at #8 ??? the only possibility is the jets and they need plenty of other players before a QB this year. they just had a fire sale and need to replace Revis. Find me just 1 mock draft that has a team selecting a QB after #8. The Bills can trade back and stil get thier guy IMO, AND in the process of picking up extra picks get a top WR and a top TE. Staying at #8 is the wrong move for the Bills IMO Edited April 23, 2013 by shibuya
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