swnybillsfan Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I would take that deal. I Would love to pick 31, 34, and 41. I think we could get three quality starters with those picks. Otherwise, we only get 2. 3 is better than 2. Therefore, I like this deal. 3 sounds better than 2 initially. however, 2 would far surpass 3 if one of the two were a franchise qb. are there any franchise qbs in this year's draft, i don't know. but i really hope that's what the bills are digging for. and always remember, you have to swing at the ball to hit it out of the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Astro...how does the Revis trade affect Draftek's analysis of the 1st Round and this Bills/49ers scenario now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 3 sounds better than 2 initially. however, 2 would far surpass 3 if one of the two were a franchise qb. are there any franchise qbs in this year's draft, i don't know. but i really hope that's what the bills are digging for. and always remember, you have to swing at the ball to hit it out of the park. The problem is, none of the QBs available are franchise QBs, they're all developmental types. Thus, the three is best, 2 real starters, and maybe a QB of the future if he develops. And this reality (no sure starters in the lot of QBs) is why I am not excited about taking a QB with the 8th pick . . . it is simply way too big of a gamble. So if you can trade back and get a second 1st round pick, then yes, take one of them with the extra pick---much less risk with two picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 you The problem is, none of the QBs available are franchise QBs, they're all developmental types. Thus, the three is best, 2 real starters, and maybe a QB of the future if he develops. And this reality (no sure starters in the lot of QBs) is why I am not excited about taking a QB with the 8th pick . . . it is simply way too big of a gamble. So if you can trade back and get a second 1st round pick, then yes, take one of them with the extra pick---much less risk with two picks. r argument is incredibly logical and makes absolute sense. i agree with the premise of the trade down and picking up extra players, especially extra players in the top 75 or wherever they may be. but the thing about the quarterback position is that there is so much that goes into the position that cannot be measured. leadership, competitiveness, presence, anticipation, timing, desire. these are just some of the things you need in a franchise qb. and to make matters harder, you are trying to figure out which kid will grow to be a leader of men. if ryan leaf were coming out in this year's draft he may be the hands down number one guy on everyone's board, and who knows, maybe this time around he would be brought into the right environment and be great. my point is that getting the right guy in the right situation at the right time is probably not easy, but you have to try. if it's not the right thing to do, then so be it, but if you feel it's right, you better do it while you have the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 The Bills have thoroughly vetted 9 quarterbacks in this draft. nix says there are 2-3 guys who can become franchise QB. It is possible that Nix has one in mind, but I don't think so. If he has one, he'll take him at 8 to avoid Armaggedon. If he has 2-3 he likes, he can trade down if Tavon- Vaccaro- Lane Johnson gives him an oppty to do so. Johnson is coveted by 11, 13, and 19, as well as the Giants (I'm not at my work computer, but that's close). We think the Jets will take Vaccaro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAWNDO Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Keep these scenarios coming Astro, they are fun to debate between now and Thursday. Astro where do you see Tyler Bray coming off the board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I don't believe that this trade is realistic or even feasible. Even if the 49'ers were willing to make that trade I don't think that the Bills are in any position to risk 1 of the QBs that they covet. Moving down that far would really jeopardize their chances of securing a QB of choice. If the Bills were to trade back then moving just several slots would be more suited to fulfilling their need(s) while adding draft pick(s) that they so desperately need. I could understand and believe that trading back with a team like Dallas (#18) would be more in reach of being a possibility. Dallas has a great need for a Safety and have an aging team whose window of opportunity is rapidly nearing it's potential. in addition to those factors they also have a flamboyant owner who has actually done trading with the Bills in the past. Trading with them and acquiring their 1st rd and 2nd rd pick in this year's draft and say something like their 3rd rd pick or a conditional 4th in the 2014 draft would be a fair value for the rights to Kenny Vaccaro. Moving back to the #18 pick should secure one of the QBs (Nassib?) that the Bills are interested in while they pick up an extra 2nd rd (#47) pick in this year's draft. That to me would be a very good trade for both parties involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWest Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Needing a safety, what if the 49ers offerred #31 & #74 for Byrd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Where do they come up with this crap? Seriously. How many times have any of these "scenarios" actually happen? I believe, ever since they put in the rookie salary cap, there has been a big number of draft day trades on the 1st round... Here is link to 2012 draft info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_Draft There were 7 trades for 1st round swaps on Day 1. Similarly, there were 5 trades in the 1st round on Day 1 in 2011 (Which was the first year of the Rookie Salary Cap). This will be a trend and I expect there will be a similar # of draft day trades on day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I don't believe that this trade is realistic or even feasible. Even if the 49'ers were willing to make that trade I don't think that the Bills are in any position to risk 1 of the QBs that they covet. Moving down that far would really jeopardize their chances of securing a QB of choice. If the Bill's actually 'covet" any QB with the #8 pick in the draft, they are even stupider and more incompetent than I already believe them to be. No QB is worth the risk of a 1st round pick this year, and taking one below a mid to high round first is a horrible reach and a foolish gamble at #8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 If the Bill's actually 'covet" any QB with the #8 pick in the draft, they are even stupider and more incompetent than I already believe them to be. No QB is worth the risk of a 1st round pick this year, and taking one below a mid to high round first is a horrible reach and a foolish gamble at #8. The Ravens gambled on a similar reach with Flacco five seasons ago and traded up to get him. If you like a QB and are sure that he will be gone at #41 (when you pick second), you don't wait. You simply make that pick at #8. The chance of getting another player at #8 and succeeding with him is the same as getting the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I would make that trade in a heartbeat. A rookie QB will be there late in the first. They need help at other positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Ask yourself is this how Nix operated in any of his prior drafts? Maneuvering around and making deals is not something he is comfortable doing. Nix has often stated that if you like a player then take that player. A simplistic approach for a simplistic person. (...) Buddy has admitted that in the past he targeted qbs and has lost out because he waited too long. If he truly believes that there are maybe two or three franchise qbs in this draft I don't think he is going to mess around, especially if there is one qb he is most enamorated with. You could be right. On the other hand, when Nix was "catfished" he was complaining about his quantity of draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 http://www.drafttek.com/2013-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round1.asp "The Trade: 1) The San Francisco 49ers trade selections #31, #34 and #74 to the Buffalo Bills for pick #8 (Per Drafttek's Interactive Trade Value Chart). The Niners are looking to fill a hole at Safety with the selection of Texas' Kenny Vaccaro. The Bills have multiple needs (QB, WR, LB) and not enough draft picks to fill them. It's quite possible that Buddy Nix can get the same QB at pick #31 that they can get at pick #8. Analysis: Let's be clear, the Niners do not make this trade unless they believe the guy they can get will be a difference maker who can take their team to a Super Bowl Championship. With 13 picks in the draft, the team is in position to make more than one trade-up to find impact players. In this scenario, the Niners take Texas Safety Kenny Vaccaro with the Bills #8 pick in order to find a high-level replacement for Dashon Goldson, and also Donte Whitner who is a Free Agent after this season. However Tavon Austin or Dee Milliner (if available) could also be potential targets. The Bills would be happy to do this deal, particularly if West Virginia QB Geno Smith is off the board. Many mocks have Buffalo selecting Tyler Wilson or Ryan Nassib with the #8, but it's a strong likelihood that one or both will be available at #31. Looking at WRs, none of the prospects available in the 2013 draft fall into the "total package" category of Calvin Johnson, AJ Green or Justin Blackmon. As such the 2013 top WR talents ((Patterson, Allen, Austin, Hunter) are generally thought of a back-half round 1 candidates. The Bills could potentially land one of these four with the #34 pick, or just sit back and take the best available player among the teams many needs. This What-If simulation is interesting in that it provides an idea of how the draft may play out for the Niners and Bills, the 2 teams involved in the trade. But also how this trade affects other teams who must now resort to plan B. And it is interesting to see how a two team trade permutates down into the later rounds of the draft." I would do this trade, and SF fans like it too. Bills get Wilson, Hunter, and Okafor for their 8. You can substitute Nassib-Barkley-Manuel for Wilson if you prefer. They're all there at #31 AND #34. The Bills pick Ryan Swope WR and Gholston DE in RD3. I personally would take Swope and Travis Frederick OC/OG in this scenario. He'll be a good one. My other thought would be Swope/Blidi Wreh-Wilson CB to offer McKelvin some competition. Many mocks have Wilson going at 8? Which ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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