Did anyone $&^@ this team more last year than Dave Wannstedt?

[The Big Cat]

Big 3rd and 5 in jets opener and Byrd is lined up Santonio Holmes 15 yards deep. Did byrd make a mistake? Possible. Or was it bad coaching/bad scheme and thats where Byrd had to line up against that formation in 3rd and 5? Wanny got outcoached bad. Look at second half of Pats game at home. Bellicheck made adjustments, wanny didnt, Bills D got destroyed.

 

So I agree. Can anybody name something they liked about Wannys coaching? Can someone point out a situation where we saw a formation earlier in the game, made an adjustment to it, and made the play later in the game? I cant. But I dont watch as much game film as some of you doods.

 

The couple times we blitzed we did well.

 

Seriously, our success rate when blitzing on third was amazing. Third and short, third and medium, third and long, didn't matter.

 

Conversely, our failure rate when we DIDN'T blitz on third down was also amazing. Third and short, third and medium, third and long, didn't matter.

 

:wallbash:

[K-9]

I wouldn't have had him on the field except in OBVIOUS passing situations!! You are making the point for me.

 

His schemes were so outdated. The advancements in prep,video, and free agency has increased the importance of deception. There is not a team in the league that wins that just lines up and wins because they are physically better. If they know where you are going to be they adjust pre snap and go where you are not.

 

Well, Anderson was injured so it was Moore by default. And you make my point as well, not enough talented players to plug in. But at least Moore could rush the passer. We had LBs that were equally as bad in both facets of the game.

 

No offense, but your second paragraph is not something I can agree with. No team lines up and wins because they are physically better? I honestly don't know how to respond to that. Better I just let it go.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Kirby Jackson]

 

 

Well, Anderson was injured so it was Moore by default. And you make my point as well, not enough talented players to plug in. But at least Moore could rush the passer. We had LBs that were equally as bad in both facets of the game.

 

No offense, but your second paragraph is not something I can agree with. No team lines up and wins because they are physically better? I honestly don't know how to respond to that. Better I just let it go.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

I would have played Carrington at DE (where he played in college).

 

I was referring to Wanny's philosophy to get pressure by rushing 4. I think that d line has talent but you do not win with talent alone. Teams scheme around your talent. There is a reason that the new staff is moving Mario all over the place. They are trying to create mismatches. 9 times out of 10 he is going to be better than the guy that he lines up against but if they know where he is coming from they can use a TE or a back to help out. You win based on a combination of talent and scheme. The talent was average and better than it had been in years on that side of the ball. It was not great but it was much better than the scheme.

Edited April 19, 2013 by Kirby Jackson

[Kelly the Dog]

I actually thought Merriman played much better than Kyle Moore and should have been in there a lot more. Not that Merriman was so good, mind you. He wasn't. But he was decent and he had some containment at times, and Moore was just terrible. I also thought Leo should have played a lot more, as well as Carrington.

[The Big Cat]

I actually thought Merriman played much better than Kyle Moore and should have been in there a lot more. Not that Merriman was so good, mind you. He wasn't. But he was decent and he had some containment at times, and Moore was just terrible. I also thought Leo should have played a lot more, as well as Carrington.

 

I think Carrington is poised to have a monster year...just a hunch.

[Dr. K]

You could make a strong arguement that Wannstead cost Gailey his job.

 

This is the absolute truth. If the Bills had ever managed a middle-of-the pack defense, they would have been in the playoff hunt at least two of Gailey's three seasons.

[The Big Cat]

This is the absolute truth. If the Bills had ever managed a middle-of-the pack defense, they would have been in the playoff hunt at least two of Gailey's three seasons.

 

Ding, ding, ding.

 

And while Bills' fans hate to imagine this reality: Wanny not only cost Gailey his job in Buffalo, he cost Fitz his job, too.

[Kelly the Dog]

This is the absolute truth. If the Bills had ever managed a middle-of-the pack defense, they would have been in the playoff hunt at least two of Gailey's three seasons.

Well Gailey was the one who really hired Wanny, so you can't really say that Wanny cost Gailey his job.

[K-9]

Ding, ding, ding.

 

And while Bills' fans hate to imagine this reality: Wanny not only cost Gailey his job in Buffalo, he cost Fitz his job, too.

 

Who cost Wanny his job?

 

GO BILLS!!!

[The Big Cat]

Who cost Wanny his job?

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

Look, Mrs. Wannstedt, this crusade you're on is noble and all, but at some point you have to deal with how unlikely it is that everyone in the universe is wrong but you.

[K-9]

Look, Mrs. Wannstedt, this crusade you're on is noble and all, but at some point you have to deal with how unlikely it is that everyone in the universe is wrong but you.

 

That's ok. I've grown quite accustomed to being the only one right about things. Especially around here. But I understand how being hit on the head with actual knowledge vs. just making schit up to support you emotional bias can feel like a crusade.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Kellyto83TD]

The more I hear out of defensive players as they're around the new staff, the angrier I become at Wannstedt for his unemotional and uninspired tenure as the Bills' DC. Say what you want about Gailey's playcalling and Fitz's inconsistency, but nobody did more to screw the Bills' chance at a good season than Wanny. The Buffalo News article on Bradham this morning is just the latest example of the changed atmosphere and intensity around the team.

 

I hear many of you whining about lack of talent, but coaching DOES matter.

 

The Game passed the Stashe by after the 1994 season

[Kelly the Dog]

That's ok. I've grown quite accustomed to being the only one right about things. Especially around here.

 

GO BILLS!!!

I've enjoyed having an intelligence exchange with you on this, and I understand where you're coming from on this, I just don't agree. But name once when you were the only one right on something on here.

 

The Game passed the Stashe by after the 1994 season

His defenses on the Dolphins and the Bears were very good while he was in charge of the defense and while being a crappy head coach for them.

[K-9]

I've enjoyed having an intelligence exchange with you on this, and I understand where you're coming from on this, I just don't agree. But name once when you were the only one right on something on here.

 

 

His defenses on the Dolphins and the Bears were very good while he was in charge of the defense and while being a crappy head coach for them.

 

I'll do that as soon as you can name once when the entire universe was right except me.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[The Big Cat]

That's ok. I've grown quite accustomed to being the only one right about things. Especially around here. But I understand how being hit on the head with actual knowledge vs. just making schit up to support you emotional bias can feel like a crusade.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

Still waiting for your answer to what he did right.

[Kelly the Dog]

I'll do that as soon as you can name once when the entire universe was right except me.

 

GO BILLS!!!

I never said that was true.

[Bills4]

This is the absolute truth. If the Bills had ever managed a middle-of-the pack defense, they would have been in the playoff hunt at least two of Gailey's three seasons.

 

When people started calling for Wanny's job, Gailey backed him up every time. Does anybody think If Gailey fired Wanny that Gailey would have kept his job? Gailey is a smart guy, I think when he backed up Wanny he knew he was going down with the ship.

 

I think the Bills would have looked for a change in leadership regardless if he backed him up or if he fired Wanny mid season. Obviously, if they had a better record and more wins in the season, Gailey might not have been on the chopping block. But as a head coach, Gailey made no attempt to turn that defense around. Whether that was flat out firing Wanny or forcing him to change his scheme, Gailey should have taken on that responsibility. That was a record setting bad defense. A head coach cant just ignore that situation.

[K-9]

Still waiting for your answer to what he did right.

 

I don't maintain that Wanny ever did anything right. Just that his players did more things wrong.

 

I can certainly understand, from a coaching perspective, how he was hamstrung from doing certain things more often given the dearth of talent in the back 7 and having an absolute sieve in the run game on the right side. I know, from a coaching perspective, that it's difficult to play ANY 43 scheme when you don't have ONE starting caliber LB on your squad that can play all three downs effectively. It's extremely difficult to play certain zone schemes when your SS can't be trusted to be much help in coverage. Gilmore and Williams paid dearly for that liability.

 

I know, he just shoulda blitzed more. This place makes me laugh.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Kirby Jackson]

 

 

I don't maintain that Wanny ever did anything right. Just that his players did more things wrong.

 

I can certainly understand, from a coaching perspective, how he was hamstrung from doing certain things more often given the dearth of talent in the back 7 and having an absolute sieve in the run game on the right side. I know, from a coaching perspective, that it's difficult to play ANY 43 scheme when you don't have ONE starting caliber LB on your squad that can play all three downs effectively. It's extremely difficult to play certain zone schemes when your SS can't be trusted to be much help in coverage. Gilmore and Williams paid dearly for that liability.

 

I know, he just shoulda blitzed more. This place makes me laugh.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

When these things weren't working should he have tried something different? That is my biggest issue with him period. It was broke and he never tried to fix it. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

[eball]

I don't maintain that Wanny ever did anything right. Just that his players did more things wrong.

 

I know, he just shoulda blitzed more. This place makes me laugh.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

That it does...that it does.