HeHateMe Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 I swear if Nassib played at someplace like Cincinnati or Pitt, no one on this board would want him as our QB. I don't understand the infatuation with him other than the fact that Marrone and Hackett coached him. 3rd round seems about right to me.. Geno, Barkley, EJ should go before him... once these guys are gone there isn't a real hurry to get a QB since the rest of the guys are almost interchangeable.. it is based purely on preference and what offense you desire to run.
Brainiac21 Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 I swear if Nassib played at someplace like Cincinnati or Pitt, no one on this board would want him as our QB. I don't understand the infatuation with him other than the fact that Marrone and Hackett coached him. 3rd round seems about right to me.. Geno, Barkley, EJ should go before him... once these guys are gone there isn't a real hurry to get a QB since the rest of the guys are almost interchangeable.. it is based purely on preference and what offense you desire to run. he'd still get some attention... NFL films guy has him #1, NFP has him #1, Gruden has him #1, PFW has him #2. so it's not like it's a local phenomenon. that said, i think you have to be over 50% to take him in the top 10. i want a top 10 talent too, but if what many say is true that the talent is similar at 25 as it is at 8, then by all means trade down... you'll get 2 chances to get a good player.
....lybob Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 I swear if Nassib played at someplace like Cincinnati or Pitt, no one on this board would want him as our QB. I don't understand the infatuation with him other than the fact that Marrone and Hackett coached him. 3rd round seems about right to me.. Geno, Barkley, EJ should go before him... once these guys are gone there isn't a real hurry to get a QB since the rest of the guys are almost interchangeable.. it is based purely on preference and what offense you desire to run. right there with you on Nassib but I understand why the divergence of opinion - right now we got ten QBs each with some strengths and some major flaws so our perception of which qualities in a QB are the most important - for me it's the ability to make something positive happen when the play breaks down ( OL fails in protection or WRs can't get open), from what I watched OL play for Syracuse was generally pretty good but when it did break down the best thing Nassib did was throw incomplete, the second best thing he did was take sacks, but he also threw bad interceptions and fumbled while trying to get away .
Kelly the Dog Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 he'd still get some attention... NFL films guy has him #1, NFP has him #1, Gruden has him #1, PFW has him #2. so it's not like it's a local phenomenon. that said, i think you have to be over 50% to take him in the top 10. i want a top 10 talent too, but if what many say is true that the talent is similar at 25 as it is at 8, then by all means trade down... you'll get 2 chances to get a good player. And twice as good a chance to not get the player you want because someone else takes him ahead of you.
Steve O Posted April 21, 2013 Posted April 21, 2013 dominated senior bowl. some people here don't value it much it seems, but i think NFL people do. it's much less of a projection because you get NFL coaching for first time, go against top players, coaches can see it first hand, etc. do well that week and in that game, and you improve your stock immensely. apparently though he didn't do all that much in the practices, so still some doubt, but that game is still weighed heavily. I really hope we stay clear of Ziggy. Maybe he had a great senior bowl but 62 tackles with 4 1/2 sacks in the WAC aren't exactly dominant numbers. Add to that he was a pretty much a man playing with boys...he's two months younger than JJ Watt. Imagine what JJ would have done in the WAC last year. Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/04/20/2770773/a-meteoric-rise-for-missionary.html#storylink=cpy
Hotpockets28 Posted April 21, 2013 Posted April 21, 2013 Good god..kiper must step away from the hairgel and hairspray their damaging his brain cells....to me those three selections would set this franchise back another decade or so horrible picks...anzah= maybin 2.0 allen= possesion type wr we need a ""explosive game changer""..nassib= career backup....now on what the bills should do is this...first trade byrd to the vikes pick 25th...or at least to a team in the mid 20s...with the 8th pick draft Qb matt barkley..with the newly aquired first round pick draft tyler eifert TE... And with our second round pick draft Wr Robert woods.....now those three draft selections would do us some good..excellent draft day really
Kemp Posted April 21, 2013 Posted April 21, 2013 Dear Mel Kiper, you are an idiot and if you were worth a damn you would be making multi millions for an NFL Team. That said, there is no way in hell Nassib is there at #71. He will be gone in the first The truth is that no one could do a "great" job at predicting the draft, but I would hazard a guess that he would be more accurate than the posters here, including you. So, if he is an idiot, those of us posting their predictions here are.......... It really is funny to see how definitive some of you are in your opinions. Men who make their living at it are lucky to hit at 50%, yet some of you are certain that you know the answers and those that disagree with you are idiots. If this was an easy game, GMs would be doing far better than they are.
ny33 Posted April 21, 2013 Author Posted April 21, 2013 Good god..kiper must step away from the hairgel and hairspray their damaging his brain cells....to me those three selections would set this franchise back another decade or so horrible picks...anzah= maybin 2.0 allen= possesion type wr we need a ""explosive game changer""..nassib= career backup....now on what the bills should do is this...first trade byrd to the vikes pick 25th...or at least to a team in the mid 20s...with the 8th pick draft Qb matt barkley..with the newly aquired first round pick draft tyler eifert TE... And with our second round pick draft Wr Robert woods.....now those three draft selections would do us some good..excellent draft day really This is ironic.
thebandit27 Posted April 21, 2013 Posted April 21, 2013 Lets remember one thing here: nobody here, including myself, has the background to do what Kiper does. It's easy to sit on a computer, start with some combination of pundits' big boards, and make a draft evaluation from there. Kiper doesn't do that...he does all his own leg work; studying years worth of real, actual game tape (which, no matter how many posters use the term erroneously, nobody on this board has access to) and breaking down hundreds of prospects. I often disagree with his work, but the guy does deserve a modicum of respect for the time and effort he puts in.
Tommy Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 Just an FYI about the article in the original post: Kiper states very clearly that it is NOT a mock draft. Unlike his evolutionary Mock Drafts (1.0, 2.0, 3.0, etc), Kiper states in this article that "This is not really a mock draft. In this case, I'm the GM. In a mock I project picks -- here, I make them." The title of the article is even "Kiper's 'Grade A' Draft," which implies it is something like an ideal scenario for the top three rounds. Kiper knows Nassib won't be there in Round 3; he was just trying to stretch reality to make an entertaining article (whether or not it was actually entertaining is another subject). Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the Kiper hair gel jokes as much as the next guy , but I just felt the need to put his picks in some context.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 Just an FYI about the article in the original post: Kiper states very clearly that it is NOT a mock draft. Unlike his evolutionary Mock Drafts (1.0, 2.0, 3.0, etc), Kiper states in this article that "This is not really a mock draft. In this case, I'm the GM. In a mock I project picks -- here, I make them." The title of the article is even "Kiper's 'Grade A' Draft," which implies it is something like an ideal scenario for the top three rounds. Kiper knows Nassib won't be there in Round 3; he was just trying to stretch reality to make an entertaining article (whether or not it was actually entertaining is another subject). Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the Kiper hair gel jokes as much as the next guy , but I just felt the need to put his picks in some context. What have you done with Mike from Syracuse and how dare you steal his avatar?!?!?!?
Astrobot Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 2005 - Losman/Holcomb (5 wins) 2001 - Van Pelt/R. Johnson (3 wins) 1997 - T. Colins/Van Pelt (6 wins) 1985 - Ferragamo/Mathison (2 wins) Any other questions? Awesome!
BuffaloFan68 Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 I agree that we should not be looking at a DE in the first. it would be great if we could land WR Patterson in the first then Nassib or Glennon in the second & then come back to LB after that. Other options in the first if not Patterson - Geno Smith, Warmack or J Jones.
first_and_ten Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 I agree that we should not be looking at a DE in the first. it would be great if we could land WR Patterson in the first then Nassib or Glennon in the second & then come back to LB after that. Other options in the first if not Patterson - Geno Smith, Warmack or J Jones. When was the last time a guard was taken in the top ten?
Steve O Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 (edited) When was the last time a guard was taken in the top ten? 1983 - Bruce Matthews was drafted # 9. The time before that was the year before that, Mike Munchak at #8. Same team, same result, HOF career. I'd be happy if Warmack ended up here and had a similar career. Better than taking a flier on Ziggy. Edited April 22, 2013 by Steve O
ganesh Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 1983 - Bruce Matthews was drafted # 9. I'd be happy if Warmack had a similar career. That is 30 drafts ago! And if I remember there were 4 QBs picked in that draft too!! I agree that we should not be looking at a DE in the first. it would be great if we could land WR Patterson in the first then Nassib or Glennon in the second & then come back to LB after that. Other options in the first if not Patterson - Geno Smith, Warmack or J Jones. Patterson is a 1-year wonder. Nix prefers seasoned starters...Patterson will not be in a Bills uniform, not after being severely burned by the Maybin pick
RCOHEN13 Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 http://insider.espn....-every-nfl-team 8) Ezekiel Ansah 41) Keenan Allen 71) Ryan Nassib FYI... ir wasnt a "true" mock draft. I have ESPN insider as well and saw it when it came out. He says at start, He is basing his predictions to each team in terms of big board value, not what he thinks teams will do exactly. Hence Nassib in 3rd round. I'd love this scenario and get Ansah who would be such a weapon and wreak havoc on D cuz this year with a real DC who knows what the word BLITZ means and we will have alot of shifting, stunts etc on that side of ball, i expect a top 10 D this yr. Ansah would be a 8-10 sack guy as pass rush specialist and be used like Aldon Smith in his rookie year. BUT... i highly doubt Ansah is there at 8 and if he is.. he have much more pressing needs in 1st round. AFC east will be as tough as ever with Phins re-tooling via FA and getting their QB last year and with Jets now have a top 10 AND top 15 pick.. i can see Rex going heavy on D knowing he MUST show he is the Defensive guru now that Pettine is gone and most of talent that led them deep in playoffs few years ago in his 1st 2 years as HC.
tennesseeboy Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 Wow...Kiper putting Nassib in round 3 while many on this board want to draft him at 8....seems to be a disconnect here. Me? I think Nassib SHOULD go very late first or up to the middle of the second round. Bad choice at 8....wishful thinking that he gets to the third round.
PoppaBen Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 The truth is that no one could do a "great" job at predicting the draft, but I would hazard a guess that he would be more accurate than the posters here, including you. So, if he is an idiot, those of us posting their predictions here are.......... It really is funny to see how definitive some of you are in your opinions. Men who make their living at it are lucky to hit at 50%, yet some of you are certain that you know the answers and those that disagree with you are idiots. If this was an easy game, GMs would be doing far better than they are. You read my mind. It's fun to play GM but settle down a little bit...guess what?... you don't know JACK! I will be happy with any QB they pick but personally I would like to see EJ drafted in the second.
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