Kevin Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 Ziggy Ansah would be like Aaron Maybin Part Deux. IMO
ganesh Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 Ziggy Ansah would be like Aaron Maybin Part Deux. IMO And so would Patterson
CSBill Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 There really are so few though. People should forget about using Russell Wilson as an example, it was a total fluke of a player that is likely to never happen again. Kaepernick is the only example in the last few years of a 2-3 rounder who is really a serious potential franchise guy. And the one QB in this draft that has the skill set these two guys have is? EJ Manuel. Ideally, the BIlls trade back and get him, and another pick in the late first or any in the second round, but I would not be upset if they took him with the 8th pick. so far Kiper has the most reasonable draft spot for Nassib I have seen in a while AGREED!
Bills Fan since '64 Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 can anyone remember the Bills depth chart at QB looking so un-promising? 2005 - Losman/Holcomb (5 wins) 2001 - Van Pelt/R. Johnson (3 wins) 1997 - T. Colins/Van Pelt (6 wins) 1985 - Ferragamo/Mathison (2 wins) Any other questions?
Canadian Bills Fan Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 LOL God Kiper is awful. NO way Nassib lasts until round 3 CBF
Kelly the Dog Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 And the one QB in this draft that has the skill set these two guys have is? EJ Manuel. If you count "skill set" as strong arm and can run. Manuel is not remotely close to Wilson in the 12 other essential factors for an NFL QB except for good size. And not remotely close as a prospect.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 (edited) If you count "skill set" as strong arm and can run. Manuel is not remotely close to Wilson in the 12 other essential factors for an NFL QB except for good size. And not remotely close as a prospect. Well I'm not gonna audit all the measurables and intangibles but two major things EJ has going for him are that he played at a higher level of competition and that he played in a pro-style offense and actually took many snaps from center. There are also the four bowl game victories. That's all on top of EJ having a better arm, being a better athlete, and being bigger and stronger. EJ's also a two-time academic All-America and is working on his second degree. Personally I take EJ over Geno. Edited April 18, 2013 by San Jose Bills Fan
Brainiac21 Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 i dont get this ziggy ansah love. what has he done in actual games? dominated senior bowl. some people here don't value it much it seems, but i think NFL people do. it's much less of a projection because you get NFL coaching for first time, go against top players, coaches can see it first hand, etc. do well that week and in that game, and you improve your stock immensely. apparently though he didn't do all that much in the practices, so still some doubt, but that game is still weighed heavily.
thebandit27 Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 Ziggy Ansah would be like Aaron Maybin Part Deux. IMO I understand from an experience perspective, but physically, I don't see the similarities...their measurables are much different.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 Actually I'm not sure that Geno has anything on EJ.
Kelly the Dog Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 Well I'm not gonna audit all the measurables and intangibles but two major things EJ has going for him are that he played at a higher level of competition and that he played in a pro-style offense and actually took many snaps from center. There are also the four bowl game victories. That's all on top of EJ having a better arm, being a better athlete, and being bigger and stronger. EJ's also a two-time academic All-America and is working on his second degree. Personally I take EJ over Geno. He doesn't have a better arm than Russell Wilson. Wilson has an absolute cannon. Manuel has a very good arm. Wilson also played against good competition in two different conferences, and learned two difference offenses. He's got way better mechanics, feet, reading defenses, leadership, football smarts, ball protection, pocket presence, decision making, seeing throwing lanes, touch on the ball, ball handling, experience, etc. I like Manuel a lot, probably the most of any QB in the draft (although I'm not sure I would take him at 8). But Russell Wilson EXCELLED in everything except height, and it 10x the QB prospect as Manuel. One of the best QB prospects ever.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 He doesn't have a better arm than Russell Wilson. Wilson has an absolute cannon. Manuel has a very good arm. Wilson also played against good competition in two different conferences, and learned two difference offenses. He's got way better mechanics, feet, reading defenses, leadership, football smarts, ball protection, pocket presence, decision making, seeing throwing lanes, touch on the ball, ball handling, experience, etc. I like Manuel a lot, probably the most of any QB in the draft (although I'm not sure I would take him at 8). But Russell Wilson EXCELLED in everything except height, and it 10x the QB prospect as Manuel. One of the best QB prospects ever. I was comparing EJ to Geno. Disregard.
bisonbrigade Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 Trade down as many times as you can, may with Minnesota, then start drafting, one player at #8 will do nothing for this team no matter how good he is.
thebandit27 Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 Trade down as many times as you can, may with Minnesota, then start drafting, one player at #8 will do nothing for this team no matter how good he is. You're saying that if Buffalo nabs a franchise QB at 8, it won't do anything for this team?
bisonbrigade Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 You're saying that if Buffalo nabs a franchise QB at 8, it won't do anything for this team? It will do something for the team, but not in a positive way. Trade down man, trade down. Here will still be there in the middle to late first round.
NewEra Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 You're saying that if Buffalo nabs a franchise QB at 8, it won't do anything for this team? He's obviously a smart guy.
NewEra Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 It will do something for the team, but not in a positive way. Trade down man, trade down. Here will still be there in the middle to late first round. If the QB we take turns out to be a perennial all-pro it won't positively affect our team? That's what you're saying?
Kelly the Dog Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 You're saying that if Buffalo nabs a franchise QB at 8, it won't do anything for this team? Could set us back a decade.
thebandit27 Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 It will do something for the team, but not in a positive way. Trade down man, trade down. Here will still be there in the middle to late first round. Right...so, just so I understand this, trading back in the draft is going to help the team better than getting a franchise QB? Gotcha... [facepalm]
LABills08 Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 For all those saying that only one QB will be drafted in the first round or that the Bills won't go QB..... Our GM just said he thinks there are 2-3 franchise QBs in the draft. And he's stated for awhile that this is the year for the Bills to find their QB. I think the chances are pretty good the Bills go QB.
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