NoSaint Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 And if the Bills think JP is the guy, trade up. If the Bills think RJ is the guy, make a big move. If the Bills think Bledsoe is the guy, make a big move. These clowns cannot evaluate QBs. Don't risk additional picks that we desperately need for a marginal QB in a weak QB class Which one of our current clowns got those guys? Or is it the lead paint in the office that makes it inherently related to one bills drive instead of the actual person calling the shots?
NickelCity Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I imagine we will stay at 8 and take either Geno or Barkley if they're still there. If not we wait until the end of the first to trade up, or even roll the dice and stay pat at our 2nd round (more likely knowing us), to take Tyler Wilson if he's there. If not, we go into panic mode and do something crazy, maybe grab Nassib.
NoSaint Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 But he was a total fluke regardless. The Seahags didn't know anything more either. They just pulled the trigger earlier. Buddy made a huge tactical mistake. He liked Wilson a lot. But EVERYONE considered Wilson to be a project and back-up coming into the league. Nix just decided, because he thought we were on the cusp of the playoffs, that a speed WR would help us more to reach that goal this year than a back-up QB would. So he chose TJ. It wasn't in a vacuum. He doesn't hate QBs. He didn't miss out on Russell Wilson staring him in the face. He made a bad, bad choice, missing out on Wilson and TJ floundered. He's paying for the decision by likely leaving sometime after the draft. Agreed 100%
tennesseeboy Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 The Jags have no interest in taking Geno. Neither do the Raiders or the Eagles. They just want to stoke the media fire and get Buddy or Cardinals to package picks to move up. It's ALL posturing and I hope Buddy doesn't fall for it. Geno will be there at 8 if they want him. Exactly...and so far I'm not hearing anything that warrants him going at 8. There will be a bundle of qb's some of which are as good a bet as Gino that will be available in round 2.
BRAWNDO Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 This is not the quarterback you are looking for....
NoSaint Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Exactly...and so far I'm not hearing anything that warrants him going at 8. There will be a bundle of qb's some of which are as good a bet as Gino that will be available in round 2. Just because you say it, doesn't mean it's remotely true.
JohnC Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Brees was the 32nd player taken. He's a first round pick. No one is to say that these guys won't be the player. I'm saying that 1-10 or maybe 2-10 of these guys is going to be a franchise player, and I very much doubt that even Ozzie Newsome, whom I consider to be the very best GM in the game, could tell you with any certainty whatsoever which 1 let alone 2 will be that player. They're not good odds. You're right, we do have to take a chance on one, and maybe two of them though. I still say our best bet, unless we get Geno at 8, is to draft one in the late first or early second, and then draft another one if we think he can be a franchise guy in 2014. We need two. I don't want to quibble but Brees was a second round selection. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Brees I agree with you that Ozzie is one of the best GMs in the business. I'm sure you recall when they drafted Kyle Boller, a "golden armed" qb. That didn't work out. When he later selected Flacco he did it by trading back into the first round to get him. As you have clearly pointed out even eagle eyed talent evaluators don't know for sure how a qb prospect is going to turn out. That is a prime reason that you have to be aggressive and persistent in bringing prospects on board.
ExWNYer Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I imagine we will stay at 8 and take either Geno or Barkley if they're still there. If not we wait until the end of the first to trade up, or even roll the dice and stay pat at our 2nd round (more likely knowing us), to take Tyler Wilson if he's there. If not, we go into panic mode and do something crazy, maybe grab Nassib. If the Bills could find a trade partner, I'd like to see them move down. Maybe if the Rams can't land Jake Long, they'd be willing to come up to 8 for one of the o-linemen. I'm not sure what the draft chart says but maybe their 16 & 2nd rounder...or the 23 & 25 from the Vikes with maybe another lower pick from the Bills going their way.
Bangarang Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Manuel - Size, speed, he's smart, he can avoid getting tackled and extend plays, a better than average arm, great personality. I see him having a Steve McNair type of franchise QB career. Size: Geno has more than adequate size to handle the position on a weekly basis. Speed: Geno is just as fast if not faster. Smart: Geno isn't smart? Says who? What makes Manuel smarter? Extending plays: It's pretty evident that Geno has elite athleticism for the QB position and can extend plays by moving around Arm: Geno has close to elite arm strength. Personality: Do you know both of them enough to make a valid comparison? I don't get this. Pretty much every reason you like Manuel more, Geno is just as good if not better. There is no way for us to judge their personalities or smarts since we aren't around them. I'm taking Geno 10 out 10 times. Manuel sat behind Christian Ponder for 2 years. Come on now. Scott - The more I watch his videos, the more he reminds me of Drew Brees. Great arm and release of the football. Ball comes out and fast. Scott's feet are fast as well, he beat Russell Wilson's cone drill times! He may need a year of seasoning, but he's a fighter. Dude almost got knocked out in the USC game, had a concussion, threw up, and still lead his team to a come from behind comeback win. Seems as if this kid is being overlooked by everybody except NFL scouts and personnel. I predict he won't get out of the second round. I think both these guys are not easily shaken, won't be intimidated at the next level, and have a better than decent chance of paying off for whoever drafts them. Nothing you've said about Scott is remotely convincing that he's better or could be better than Geno in the NFL.
Maury Ballstein Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) Exactly...and so far I'm not hearing anything that warrants him going at 8. There will be a bundle of qb's some of which are as good a bet as Gino that will be available in round 2. Is that a fact jack ? Disagree. If ye ole checks in a determines that geno is "the whip" lets lets do it I think Genos gonna be special myself...trade up. Lets get out of this cellar Edited March 14, 2013 by Ryan L Billz
Bangarang Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Exactly...and so far I'm not hearing anything that warrants him going at 8. There will be a bundle of qb's some of which are as good a bet as Gino that will be available in round 2. Let's keep on gambling and trying to pretend we're the smartest person in the room still by waiting till the next round or the next year before we finally draft a QB. Look how well that's been turning out.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I don't want to quibble but Brees was a second round selection. http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Drew_Brees I agree with you that Ozzie is one of the best GMs in the business. I'm sure you recall when they drafted Kyle Boller, a "golden armed" qb. That didn't work out. When he later selected Flacco he did it by trading back into the first round to get him. As you have clearly pointed out even eagle eyed talent evaluators don't know for sure how a qb prospect is going to turn out. That is a prime reason that you have to be aggressive and persistent in bringing prospects on board. We agree on that. While we're not quibbling, are you really saying that you think Brees should be considered a second round pick even though he was the 32nd player which would be a first round pick now? I understand the technicality, but to me, it would be more reasonable to assume he was the equivalent of a #1 pick and not a #2 pick.
Wayne Cubed Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Let's keep on gambling and trying to pretend we're the smartest person in the room still by waiting till the next round or the next year before we finally draft a QB. Look how well that's been turning out. Ha, Love it. But, but, but, there will be some amazing talent in the second round for QB.
1billsfan Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 May we please, please, please have a moratorium on using Russell Wilson as an example of a great QB you can get in the third round? It was a totally unique set of circumstances that will very, very likely not be duplicated for a generation, if ever. I completely disagree with you here. The NFL is transitioning and the media and fans are lagging far behind the curve. Matt Scott has every chance to duplicate Russell Wilson's success. There are many more of these kind of running/throwing QBs coming out every year. It may get to be like the RB position where there are a whole lot of Russell Wilson types in the league. In a few years, it may no longer be seen as rare.
BRAWNDO Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 FWIW Elizabeth Merrill @MerrillLiz Geno Smith expects to visit 10-12 teams. Will meet with Buffalo March 22.
The Big Cat Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 But he was a total fluke regardless. The Seahags didn't know anything more either. They just pulled the trigger earlier. Buddy made a huge tactical mistake. He liked Wilson a lot. But EVERYONE considered Wilson to be a project and back-up coming into the league. Nix just decided, because he thought we were on the cusp of the playoffs, that a speed WR would help us more to reach that goal this year than a back-up QB would. So he chose TJ. It wasn't in a vacuum. He doesn't hate QBs. He didn't miss out on Russell Wilson staring him in the face. He made a bad, bad choice, missing out on Wilson and TJ floundered. He's paying for the decision by likely leaving sometime after the draft. Except his intangibles totally belied his measureables, and to me, he seemed like a no-brainer, outside the first round. Smart. Leader. Proven success in major conferences (2!). Buddy's was a mistake, you're absolutely right about that. But there were plenty of people, myself included, who were not in the least bit surprised by his rookie success.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I completely disagree with you here. The NFL is transitioning and the media and fans are lagging far behind the curve. Matt Scott has every chance to duplicate Russell Wilson's success. There are many more of these kind of running/throwing QBs coming out every year. It may get to be like the RB position where there are a whole lot of Russell Wilson types in the league. In a few years, it may no longer be seen as rare. That, to me, is just plain laughable. If you had followed Russell Wilson you would know that everyone was gaga over him. He possessed every single skill at an extraordinary level except his height. He excelled at everything. He has an absolute cannon for an arm, was great at reading defenses, could run and thrown on the run with great accuracy, he had great accuracy on the long ball, he was extremely smart, extremely productive, and was known as an extraordinary leader. He didn't make a lot of mistakes. He was tough. He moved well in and out of the pocket. He excelled in two major conferences. He was an extraordinary teammate and person and interview. He did EVERYTHING great, except grow tall. Everyone knew how great he was and everyone thought his height was a huge detriment in the NFL, it was just a matter of how much of a detriment it was going to be. It turned out to be none, which surprised everyone including the Seahawks. Matt Scott is not even remotely close to the prospect Russell Wilson was.
Pete Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) If the Bills could find a trade partner, I'd like to see them move down. Maybe if the Rams can't land Jake Long, they'd be willing to come up to 8 for one of the o-linemen. I'm not sure what the draft chart says but maybe their 16 & 2nd rounder...or the 23 & 25 from the Vikes with maybe another lower pick from the Bills going their way. I think a trade down is the best Bills option. We do need to draft a QB, and we most likely can trade down to the 20's, still draft a QB, and gain an additional selection. It seems like Buddy is more open to trade down's in drafts now too Edited March 14, 2013 by Pete
Maddog69 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 And if the Bills think JP is the guy, trade up. If the Bills think RJ is the guy, make a big move. If the Bills think Bledsoe is the guy, make a big move. These clowns cannot evaluate QBs. Don't risk additional picks that we desperately need for a marginal QB in a weak QB class You're argument is idiotic. None of the same people who made any of those previous trades or player evaluations are currently involved with the Bills. It is very possible the current crop of people involved will F it up like the previious deal, but the previous deals have no bearing on this one. Until you have a franchise QB, you have to be aggressive in trying to get one. I don't the Bills for those previous attempts. I fault Buddy for not making any attempts in the last several years. If they aggressively go after a QB they identify as that potential Franchise QB, that will be fine with me. I agree with the people that would not want to trade our #1 pick next year. 1) because the QBs next yr look very good and 2) because I expect the Bills to struggle again this year regardless of who the QB is so we will have a VERY high pick.
Malazan Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 BPA and passing on a QB has us 13 years out of the playoffs and well under .500 each year. Nix just said on his recorded call you can do BPA when the QB is in place, We don't have a QB. I say screw it, make the offer to the jags. The Bills have not followed a BPA philosophy throughout the years. On the contrary, it's part of what has made them ineffective by reaching for players.
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