The Big Cat Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) Trade up with what? We have six picks. Is Geno so good that you mortgage the entire draft to get him? Buddy himself said (on the wire tap) that their six picks are precious. Edited March 14, 2013 by taC giB ehT
NoSaint Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Trade up with what? We have six picks. Is Geno so good that you mortgage the entire draft to get him? Buddy himself said (on the wire tap) that their six picks are precious. next years first would be the bulk of the package.
1billsfan Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I'm probably in the minority here, but I kind of hope he gets picked before the Bills pick. I'm sorry, but I have a weird vibe about Geno Smith. He has this "downer" kind of personality. I can't describe it any other way. I honestly think he's a great kid, it's just that I'd worry about his personality type in regards to leadership. Also, why did his play suddenly wilt in the second half of his senior season? I wish Geno all the best, I'd just rather have Manuel or Scott.
KD in CA Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) Trade up with what? We have six picks. Is Geno so good that you mortgage the entire draft to get him? Buddy himself said (on the wire tap) that their six picks are precious. Entire draft (not really but at least a day 2 pick) plus next year's #1. Under no circumstances should the Bills be paying the high cost of trading up in this draft, especially into the top 5. Like what the Redskins did. I think people worry that Geno isn't RGIII, in terms of talent. Is there anyone who does think he's RG3 in terms of talent? Or even close? Edited March 14, 2013 by KD in CT
Bangarang Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 itd cost you next years first and id guess at the very least a 3rd this year i assume. and if he pans out as a franchise qb he would be worth every bit of it. itd be a bold move. i like geno, but im no expert. I'd highly doubt it would cost an additional first to move up from 8 to 5. You could probably get it done with a 3rd or 4th rounder this year. I'm probably in the minority here, but I kind of hope he gets picked before the Bills pick. I'm sorry, but I have a weird vibe about Geno Smith. He has this "downer" kind of personality. I can't describe it any other way. I honestly think he's a great kid, it's just that I'd worry about his personality type in regards to leadership. Also, why did his play suddenly wilt in the second half of his senior season? I wish Geno all the best, I'd just rather have Manuel or Scott. Now what makes you want Manuel or Scott over Smith? I'm very curious.
JohnC Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 He's a much, much better example. He had all kinds of question marks on him coming out of college. The problem is, one out of 20-30 of these 2nd and 3rd round picks becomes Colin Kapernick, iMO (because I think he has a chance to be very, very good but hasn't proven it yet over a couple seasons). Very few of them even become Andy Dalton, and I don't personally think Dalton is all that good although others do. Drew Brees is another non first round draft pick (top of second) who had questions about his height. My point is that you don't have to have the top pick or near the top pick to come up with a quality qb prospect. Drew Brees is not tall and he is not mobile in the sense that he tucks the ball and runs across the line of scrimmage.Coming out of college there were even questions about his arm strength. Someday he is going to be inducted in the HOF. You are right that Dalton might not be a "special" type of qb but he certainly is a legitimate starting qb. There is a chance that he can still get better and upgrade his rankings. My general point is that waiting for the "prize" qb catch when your team consistently ranks in the lower middle of the pack doesn't guarantee that you will be in a position to draft a Luck or RGIII type of talent. If your scouts have a "keen" eye for talent other very worthwhile qb prospects can be had, more likely, in the second round. Who is to say that the so-called second tier qbs such as Glennon, Wilson, Bray, Landry Jones etc won't eventually be better qbs than the top tier qbs? What I do know for sure is that sitting on your hands with respect to drafting qbs gets you no where good.
The Big Cat Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 next years first would be the bulk of the package. Well, that makes no !@#$ing sense given what we all know: that next year's QB crop is slated to be exceptionally better...
BRAWNDO Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 At some point you have to just pull the trigger. We are well under .500 each year WITH all of our first round picks. Why not sacrifice one to see if you can move up and get a guy who can lead the franchise is how I see it. Call the Jags, make the offer, pick the kid and move on. BPA and passing on a QB has us 13 years out of the playoffs and well under .500 each year. Nix just said on his recorded call you can do BPA when the QB is in place, We don't have a QB. I say screw it, make the offer to the jags. I see your point. I would feel more comfortable moving up if he was more of in the mold of Luck or RGIII. It maybe better to trade back into the bottom of the first round or early second to get your guy this year. Besides next years Senior Class of QBs included McCarron, Murray, Logan, Boyd, Thomas and probably Manziel, we need to have first next year in case the QB taken last year does not pan out.
The Big Cat Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 May we please, please, please have a moratorium on using Russell Wilson as an example of a great QB you can get in the third round? It was a totally unique set of circumstances that will very, very likely not be duplicated for a generation, if ever. There were posters aplenty who thought Russel Wilson would be there for the taking in the fourth round...others thought he'd slide as far the fifth. I said then that they were completely insane, that he'd definitely go in the third, and that I wouldn't have even minded him coming to us in the second. The 20/20 hindsight on Wilson for the last three months has been astonishing.
DDD Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Should start soon. 28 NFL team reps there. This is going to be big. Confirmed: Nix is there. Arizona is NOT there. Thanks for the tip! I'll tune in to NFL network tonight to get Mayock's take.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Brees was the 32nd player taken. He's a first round pick. No one is to say that these guys won't be the player. I'm saying that 1-10 or maybe 2-10 of these guys is going to be a franchise player, and I very much doubt that even Ozzie Newsome, whom I consider to be the very best GM in the game, could tell you with any certainty whatsoever which 1 let alone 2 will be that player. They're not good odds. You're right, we do have to take a chance on one, and maybe two of them though. I still say our best bet, unless we get Geno at 8, is to draft one in the late first or early second, and then draft another one if we think he can be a franchise guy in 2014. We need two.
DDD Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Are Major Harris and Pat White having their pro-days today too?
Kelly the Dog Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 There were posters aplenty who thought Russel Wilson would be there for the taking in the fourth round...others thought he'd slide as far the fifth. I said then that they were completely insane, that he'd definitely go in the third, and that I wouldn't have even minded him coming to us in the second. The 20/20 hindsight on Wilson for the last three months has been astonishing. But he was a total fluke regardless. The Seahags didn't know anything more either. They just pulled the trigger earlier. Buddy made a huge tactical mistake. He liked Wilson a lot. But EVERYONE considered Wilson to be a project and back-up coming into the league. Nix just decided, because he thought we were on the cusp of the playoffs, that a speed WR would help us more to reach that goal this year than a back-up QB would. So he chose TJ. It wasn't in a vacuum. He doesn't hate QBs. He didn't miss out on Russell Wilson staring him in the face. He made a bad, bad choice, missing out on Wilson and TJ floundered. He's paying for the decision by likely leaving sometime after the draft.
JPS Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 The Jags have no interest in taking Geno. Neither do the Raiders or the Eagles. They just want to stoke the media fire and get Buddy or Cardinals to package picks to move up. It's ALL posturing and I hope Buddy doesn't fall for it. Geno will be there at 8 if they want him.
1billsfan Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Now what makes you want Manuel or Scott over Smith? I'm very curious. Manuel - Size, speed, he's smart, he can avoid getting tackled and extend plays, a better than average arm, great personality. I see him having a Steve McNair type of franchise QB career. Scott - The more I watch his videos, the more he reminds me of Drew Brees. Great arm and release of the football. Ball comes out and fast. Scott's feet are fast as well, he beat Russell Wilson's cone drill times! He may need a year of seasoning, but he's a fighter. Dude almost got knocked out in the USC game, had a concussion, threw up, and still lead his team to a come from behind comeback win. Seems as if this kid is being overlooked by everybody except NFL scouts and personnel. I predict he won't get out of the second round. I think both these guys are not easily shaken, won't be intimidated at the next level, and have a better than decent chance of paying off for whoever drafts them.
NoSaint Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I'd highly doubt it would cost an additional first to move up from 8 to 5. You could probably get it done with a 3rd or 4th rounder this year. Now what makes you want Manuel or Scott over Smith? I'm very curious. Earlier it was said move to 2
Pete Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 And if the Bills think JP is the guy, trade up. If the Bills think RJ is the guy, make a big move. If the Bills think Bledsoe is the guy, make a big move. These clowns cannot evaluate QBs. Don't risk additional picks that we desperately need for a marginal QB in a weak QB class
Dr. Fong Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 The Bills cannot afford to give up next year's #1 pick. If you can package anything that doesn't give that up then I'm on board, but I personally wouldn't do it for Smith. I'd rather have Barkley or Manuel in that order.
jletha Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 if Geno isnt there at 8 then take him but dont move up. Next years QBs are so much better. I know nobody wants to suffer through another losing season with Tavaris Jackson at the helm but if we get a top 10 pick next year the top 4 QBs that are projected to come out will have better grades than Geno does this year. Just wait it out and dont give up too much for this guy. We have too many other holes on this team that need filling.
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