CodeMonkey Posted March 13, 2013 Posted March 13, 2013 Speaking of the tape. I seriously hope the tapers get some jail time. Seriously. Just for !@#$ing with the franchise. Probably BellyCheats kids did it.
Dorkington Posted March 13, 2013 Posted March 13, 2013 The realistic expectation is that we'll have another disappointing draft.
bobobonators Posted March 13, 2013 Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) Great strategy. Pick a QB out of desperation while throwing away picks in a weak class and do this all again in 2016. History has never ever repeated itself, but it often rhymes. Your idea is for the song to remain the same. That's where you and I disagree - we trade up for Geno BECAUSE this is a weak class, except for Geno. Again, this is my opinion of Geno. Obviously for the people here who don't think much of him, they want nothing to do with trading up. Geno will be a major player in the NFL. He has the arm to make every single throw at the NFL level, and he has performed at an elite level in college. What else can we as Bills fans possibly want from a QB prospect? Would a better strategy be wait until there's a "strong" draft class? There are too many factors that can influence where we pick next year or the following year or who the heck will even be declaring from college. We live in the now and as of right now we have freaking TJax as our starting QB and NO viable backup. That's scary. I just find it hilarious how poster after poster on this board cried like babies because we didn't have a "real" QB in Fitz and how Fitz was preventing this team from reaching the next level but when it comes time to actually go after a QB, now we can afford to wait until next year's draft..or the year after..or until the tooth fairy drops one in our lap. This board is comical. Also, if we take a QB this year in the 2nd round, lets say Nassib. Don't you think we're going to give him a shot as well to "prove" himself? So ya, i'd rather do this all over again in 2016 after at least giving it our best shot with the best option (Geno) than doing this all over again in 2016 after giving the shot to a 2nd tier QB. Edited March 13, 2013 by bobobonators
BringBackFergy Posted March 13, 2013 Posted March 13, 2013 Probably BellyCheats kids did it. I would have preferred Nix being caught on a phone sex call over that embarrassing nonsense I heard yesterday.
ProbablyWrong Posted March 13, 2013 Posted March 13, 2013 This isn't about any quarterback in particular, more about past drafting practices. My question is: When was the last time a team drafted a QB in rounds 1-2 in following years? I ask because we all know that the QBs in this class are a crapshoot, and next years look significantly better. If we draft high this year and they bust/underperform, then we are stuck with them for 3+ years and miss out on next year's elite performers. I am of the mind we take a rd 3-4 QB, someone high risk, high reward. That way, if they struggle, we don't have to show the same committment to them for the following years, and can draft a true franchise guy early next year. And, if the boom-or-bust QB works out, then we have a great QB that we stole in a later round. Win-win.
bobobonators Posted March 13, 2013 Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) This isn't about any quarterback in particular, more about past drafting practices. My question is: When was the last time a team drafted a QB in rounds 1-2 in following years? I ask because we all know that the QBs in this class are a crapshoot, and next years look significantly better. If we draft high this year and they bust/underperform, then we are stuck with them for 3+ years and miss out on next year's elite performers. I am of the mind we take a rd 3-4 QB, someone high risk, high reward. That way, if they struggle, we don't have to show the same committment to them for the following years, and can draft a true franchise guy early next year. And, if the boom-or-bust QB works out, then we have a great QB that we stole in a later round. Win-win. I understand this argument, however, what if we finish with the 8th pick again next year. Heck, what if we finish with the 10th - 15th pick? What if Manziel doesn't even declare? Analysts are always quick to hype up prospects and then quick to bring them down. Matt Barkley sure looked like a can't miss prospect 2 years ago and now look at him. Edited March 13, 2013 by bobobonators
1billsfan Posted March 13, 2013 Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) That's where you and I disagree - we trade up for Geno BECAUSE this is a weak class, except for Geno. Again, this is my opinion of Geno. Obviously for the people here who don't think much of him, they want nothing to do with trading up. Geno will be a major player in the NFL. He has the arm to make every single throw at the NFL level, and he has performed at an elite level in college. What else can we as Bills fans possibly want from a QB prospect? Would a better strategy be wait until there's a "strong" draft class? There are too many factors that can influence where we pick next year or the following year or who the heck will even be declaring from college. We live in the now and as of right now we have freaking TJax as our starting QB and NO viable backup. That's scary. I just find it hilarious how poster after poster on this board cried like babies because we didn't have a "real" QB in Fitz and how Fitz was preventing this team from reaching the next level but when it comes time to actually go after a QB, now we can afford to wait until next year's draft..or the year after..or until the tooth fairy drops one in our lap. This board is comical. Also, if we take a QB this year in the 2nd round, lets say Nassib. Don't you think we're going to give him a shot as well to "prove" himself? So ya, i'd rather do this all over again in 2016 after at least giving it our best shot with the best option (Geno) than doing this all over again in 2016 after giving the shot to a 2nd tier QB. How do you explain Kaepernick and Wilson's success then? They were two players taken in the second and third rounds respectively and they are among the most promising QBs in the NFL. There are two guys in this draft who fit the molds of of these QBs. They are EJ Manuel and Matt Scott. As for Geno Smith, the drawback with him is that theres signs he lacks the intestinal fortitude and will be one of those QBs taken high in the draft who will wilt under the pressure. He wilted in the second half of his senior season in college. I think that there is a potentially big bust factor with Geno Smith. EJ Manuel and Matt Scott both showed intestinal fortitude. Manuel played under the pressure of his mother having breast cancer and Scott was almost knocked out during the USC game, had a concussion, threw up, and still brought Arizona back in a comeback win. The Bills should either try to trade back or draft BPA at #8. Then pick either Manuel or Scott with their next pick. The backstop QB if both were gone would be to pick Tyler Wilson. My hope is Patterson at #8 and EJ Manuel or Matt Scott with the next pick. Neither QBs are sure things, but they are the two guys that have the Kaepernick/Wilson feel about them in this draft. If the guy we pick doesn't work out then draft a QB in the first or second round next year. Edited March 13, 2013 by 1billsfan
RealityCheck Posted March 13, 2013 Posted March 13, 2013 That's where you and I disagree - we trade up for Geno BECAUSE this is a weak class, except for Geno. Again, this is my opinion of Geno. Obviously for the people here who don't think much of him, they want nothing to do with trading up. Geno will be a major player in the NFL. He has the arm to make every single throw at the NFL level, and he has performed at an elite level in college. What else can we as Bills fans possibly want from a QB prospect? Would a better strategy be wait until there's a "strong" draft class? There are too many factors that can influence where we pick next year or the following year or who the heck will even be declaring from college. We live in the now and as of right now we have freaking TJax as our starting QB and NO viable backup. That's scary. I just find it hilarious how poster after poster on this board cried like babies because we didn't have a "real" QB in Fitz and how Fitz was preventing this team from reaching the next level but when it comes time to actually go after a QB, now we can afford to wait until next year's draft..or the year after..or until the tooth fairy drops one in our lap. This board is comical. Also, if we take a QB this year in the 2nd round, lets say Nassib. Don't you think we're going to give him a shot as well to "prove" himself? So ya, i'd rather do this all over again in 2016 after at least giving it our best shot with the best option (Geno) than doing this all over again in 2016 after giving the shot to a 2nd tier QB. Dude, enough of this we s*** already. WE have nothing to do with any of this. This team can go 0-16 for a while and guess what, the Bills will still exist, they will sell season tickets, and rake in TV money. The future of this team has nothing to do with any of this. This team needs to truly tank it, save cap space, get the number 1 pick next year, and try to build momentum from there. If you don't have a stud at QB, you're better off tanking it until you do and collect the best draft picks you can get. Once you have that QB, start spending in FA. This team can continue to fail miserably and you and I will still be fans. Being impatient is a conscious choice. Anything short of a Super Bowl victory to me is all the same. The league is full of teams that finally get to the playoffs just to find out that their QB isn't good enough and the tide rolls back out for them. I have watched the Bills win enough AFC titles and play in enough playoff games to not be satisfied with any of that. I say lose out until we get the real deal at QB. There is a huge difference between choosing to tank a season as a HC or player and doing such as a GM. One is a disgrace to the game, the other is smart NFL business. The NFL business model over the last few years has proven to be indestructible in the face of bad press, work stoppages, teams that suck every year that start QBs who suck.
Maury Ballstein Posted March 13, 2013 Posted March 13, 2013 Trade up to #3 if possible and take Geno Smith. 1. He has by far the most physical tools of any QB in this draft to succeed at the next level. 2. He most likely will not be there at #8. 3. The thought of having TJax starting for us next season makes me want to vomit. 4. The thought of us drafting Nassib makes me want to vomit 4a. If we draft Nassib, I think (I could be wrong) that this wouuld be the first time in NFL history where a HC, OC, and QB all come to the NFL the same season from a single college program. 4b. For no other reason than 4a, I want nothing to do with Nassib. Ya, it's a silly reason, but holy sh*t, Syracuse, though Marrone got the most out of them, didn't do much of anything in a rather weak conference, so what the heck should we expect from the same exact group in the NFL. Do we make the Syracuse Athletic Director the Bills GM next? Shoot me. There really isn't a single QB in this draft (other than Geno) that excites me in any way. We need the draft picks but I'd be willing to trade away our first 3 picks this year and take a chance (for once) on a premier QB prospect. If not this season, with a completely different regime, when? Great Idea.......some hope would be nice and Geno would give us that.....at least you and I bobo.......I see a lot of people picking apart this idea on page 1.......not drafting a qb high is just more of the same scenario that leaves us where we are today. people don't want to miss out on the next torrell troup or aaron williams..........gotta keep the franchise stuck in the mud. im all for it. nice post.
Bangarang Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) Should start soon. 28 NFL team reps there. This is going to be big. Confirmed: Nix is there. Arizona is NOT there. Edited March 14, 2013 by Bangarang
K-9 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Wouldn't read too much into who's there and who isn't. Especially the who isn'ts. GO BILLS!!!
Bangarang Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Wouldn't read too much into who's there and who isn't. Especially the who isn'ts. GO BILLS!!! I think it definitely means something. This is an opportunity to see improvements to things seen on tape. It's all scripted but not having a single person from the team there says a lot.
26CornerBlitz Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 @JosinaAnderson Geno Smith has started his throwing program. http://instagr.am/p/W13ucInUHY/
JM57 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Arizona not there? Doesn't matter, Raiders are taking Geno anyways
Maury Ballstein Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Geno Geno Geno...........trade up and lets lock down this QB position for years. Can go all defense next 3 drafts for all i care.
JohnC Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 The attached link is a Joe B report on Barkley. The Bills have a good chance on being in position to select Geno Smith or Barkley when their turn comes up in the first round. Many people prefer waiting until next year to draft a qb from what they believe to be a better draft class. The problem with that thinking is that you don't know for sure that you will be in position to make that selection. In my view there are good prospects available this year: Barkley, Smith, Glennon, Wilson etc. Waiting another year is extending the period of time for futility for this fading franchise. Getting a legitimate franchise qb prospect on board will do a lot to energize this franchise and and its abused fanbase. http://audio.wgr550.com/a/72051045/3-14-joe-buscaglia-on-manny-lawson-matt-barkley-bills-needs-in-draft.htm
JM57 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I'm warming up to the idea of Barkley as the process goes along. If his arm isn't Manning strong, so what? Hackett's running a WCO and that's what Barkley is supposedly best suited for right?
Bangarang Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 The attached link is a Joe B report on Barkley. The Bills have a good chance on being in position to select Geno Smith or Barkley when their turn comes up in the first round. Many people prefer waiting until next year to draft a qb from what they believe to be a better draft class. The problem with that thinking is that you don't know for sure that you will be in position to make that selection. In my view there are good prospects available this year: Barkley, Smith, Glennon, Wilson etc. Waiting another year is extending the period of time for futility for this fading franchise. Getting a legitimate franchise qb prospect on board will do a lot to energize this franchise and and its abused fanbase. http://audio.wgr550.com/a/72051045/3-14-joe-buscaglia-on-manny-lawson-matt-barkley-bills-needs-in-draft.htm Not if the Raiders take Geno and the Cards take Barkley.
Maury Ballstein Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I'm warming up to the idea of Barkley as the process goes along. If his arm isn't Manning strong, so what? Hackett's running a WCO and that's what Barkley is supposedly best suited for right? yup.....Barkley should be more than fine with the Marrone offense
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