Resolution for Social Services and Teen Pregnancy

[BringBackFergy]

Due to the shift in our society where it is now deemed acceptable for teenage girls (15, 16, 17) to have babies and automatically assume we, as a society, will support them, I think we need to penalize the participants in a way that forces them to recognize the lifelong burden they will have on our society. I propose the following. Is this even possible?? The Government wants to control and regulate every other behavior that we engage in (soda, caloric intake, etc)....why not teen sex based on the fact they are under the legal age of consent for other things (alcohol, voting, military, contracts). Thanks for letting me vent.

 

 

"Whereas the People of the State of NY and other states within the United States recognize the ever expanding numbers of children born to unwed mothers under the age of 18; and

 

Whereas the ability to support, feed, clothe and ensure the safety of such infants born to women under the age of 18 typically rests with the society in which that infant is born and resides; and

 

Whereas the states and federal government have previously set age limits for various activities such as the age to enter the military (18), the age to drink alcohol (21), the age to vote (18) and the age to enter into legally enforceable contracts (18); and

 

Whereas setting an age limit has been found to protect the individuals engaging in conduct and the society as a whole from the devastating results if such conduct was not regulated by the age of the participant; and

 

Whereas, certain penalties are enforced against those who participate in such conduct without attaining the age eligibility standard and/or penalties apply to those who assist, allow participation or knowingly engage in activities that result in a violation of the age limit for those activities;

 

Now, it is hereby agreed and resolved that:

 

1) The legal age of consent to engage in sexual intercourse is 18 years old for female and male citizens, aliens, immigrants and naturalized citizens;

 

2) Any individual who becomes pregnant as a result of intercourse occurring before age 18 shall be found in violation of this section;

 

3) As a matter of law, if a female is found to be pregnant due to intercourse before age 18, then, in that event, the intercourse shall be deemed "Statutory Rape" and/or "Forcible Rape" due to the fact that a child remains an infant until age 18 for all other purposes under our current case law and statutory framework (i.e. contracts, military, voting, and alcohol);

 

4) That any female found to be pregnant before or after age 18 as a result of intercourse occurring before age 18 who then seeks financial assistance and support for the infant through State, County or Federal benefit programs shall be required to identify the male who impregnated the female or shall submit to a DNA test to allow for immediate DNA matching and paternity testing;

 

5) The male who impregnated the female shall be prosecuted for "Statutory Rape" or "Forcible Rape" and shall be subject to a suspended sentence and work release at 8 hours per day, 5 days per week for various jobs as outlined in the CFR and this statute. If the male is a "repeat offender", then, in that event, he shall be required to enter into the work release program without cell phone, video games or other luxuries all for the purpose of establishing some income for the benefit of the infant (his child) or, at a minimum, to allow him to earn sufficient income to purchase a box of 100 condoms to avoid impregnating other females before he is capable of supporting such children;

 

6) In the event the female fails to cooperate in the identification of the paternal partner, then, in that event, support shall be terminated until such time as the father is identified."

 

This is not a homophobic or racist rant. I am just frustrated with the reality of where we are today as a society...where it is condoned and expected that Social Services and the government will award benefits to a teenage mother without any corresponding threat of prosecution for the male partner.It's becoming far too commonplace/acceptable and has created an entitlement mentality that can only be addressed by installing some form of penalty for engaging in this conduct.

[B-Large]

So you fill up prisons with underaged horny teenage boys? That will be less expensive and much more productive for society...

 

how about we teach kids about sex, birth control and not make it a sensative subject everybody is afraid to talk about. I believe you should still encourage kids to wait to have sex until they are old enough to handle such behavior, in most families that is marriage, but we need to realize that people get married in their 30's right now, most kids no matter the upbringing are not going to wait that long. We are highly sexual beings be design, that how we ensure the species... that is a good thing... but we need to be able to reach kids at a young age and let them know a condom saves them and everybody a huge headache.

[BringBackFergy]

So you fill up prisons with underaged horny teenage boys? That will be less expensive and much more productive for society...

 

how about we teach kids about sex, birth control and not make it a sensative subject everybody is afraid to talk about. I believe you should still encourage kids to wait to have sex until they are old enough to handle such behavior, in most families that is marriage, but we need to realize that people get married in their 30's right now, most kids no matter the upbringing are not going to wait that long. We are highly sexual beings be design, that how we ensure the species... that is a good thing... but we need to be able to reach kids at a young age and let them know a condom saves them and everybody a huge headache.

If you really look at the language, boys will still have sex...but they'll put about 5 condoms on to avoid being prosecuted. This type of law would have less to do with having sex and more to do with avoiding unprotected sex (since that is the only way 99% of the time a young girl gets pregnant). We need to stop this glorification of teenage girls in school saying "I can't take a test today because I have to be home with my baby".

 

And you won't have boys in prison...you'll have young men who think they are qualified to make babies (suspended sentence) working hard to the point where they decide "I will never do that again...next time I'm wearing three condoms". Hopefully, those boys will tell their friends...the juice is not worth the squeeze guys, wear a condom or you'll be pickin up trash for six months like me.

Edited April 10, 2013 by BringBackFergy

[Just Jack]

And you won't have boys in prison...you'll have young men who think they are qualified to make babies (suspended sentence) working hard to the point where they decide "I will never do that again...next time I'm wearing three condoms". Hopefully, those boys will tell their friends...the juice is not worth the squeeze guys, wear a condom or you'll be pickin up trash for six months like me.

 

 

This was in Dear Abby just the other day.....

 

http://www.uexpress....l_date=20130405

 

 

DEAR ABBY: Maybe you would like to pass this on to the parents of teenage boys. It worked for me when I had the sex talk with my sons. I knew their brains had not yet fully developed. They thought they were invincible and had an "it could never happen to me" attitude.

Because money seems to be the one thing at that age they can relate to, I decided to turn it into a mathematical problem: I told them that if they got a girl pregnant, they could figure on a minimum of $300 a month child support, multiplied by 12 months for 18 years. (That totals $65,000 -- unless the girl has twins, which would double the amount.)

Then I told them if they were tempted to have unprotected sex, they should look at the girl and ask themselves if they would pay her $65,000 to have sex with them. If they couldn't answer yes, then they needed to walk away.

Abby, it worked! No grandchildren appeared until after they were married. Feel free to share this with other parents who would appreciate a "non-traditional" approach that is effective. -- TONY IN SAN DIEGO

 

DEAR TONY: Gladly. I'm passing your technique along because money is a great motivator, and your idea makes "cents."

[BringBackFergy]

This was in Dear Abby just the other day.....

 

http://www.uexpress....l_date=20130405

That's a great read and makes sense. Unfortunately, many young men (teeenage boys) don't get that lecture from their fathers. Hence the reason why we need to take a statutory and regulatory approach to the problem. Once one teenage or older boy/man impregnates a woman/girl under 18, they are charged with a crime and must work to earn money to support the child. I'm not saying the teenage girl gets off scott free...there should be mandatory education, programs for her to attend...but the boys/men will certainly start sharing their experience with other men and boys - to avoid getting these young women pregnant if they are under 18 because the work component absolutely sucks.

[boyst]

And no penalty for the woman?

 

You want a better idea. Give $100,000 to any couple under 20 to get sterilized. Give $30k to men. $40k to women. Under 30 yrs old gets $20k

[BringBackFergy]

And no penalty for the woman?

 

You want a better idea. Give $100,000 to any couple under 20 to get sterilized. Give $30k to men. $40k to women. Under 30 yrs old gets $20k

 

The only penalty that would pass muster is educational...she would be guilty of violating the section, but incapable of paying a fine or working the road crew because she has a baby to take care of....that's why the penalty has to be enforced against the young male through hard work. Once the first 100 find out they are guilty of rape and have to perform 6 months of hard labor, the word will spread like wildfire...."don't get her pregnant or you'll be working every day on the road crew like me".

[boyst]

Yeah. NO

 

Move her to gov housing. Right in the projects. Buy her a bus pass. Make her ass work. Women are equal.

 

You would have women throwing their stuff out there not giving a crap what any man would have to deal with and she still gets a free ride.

 

Stupid idea. I cannot believe how invalid this logic is...

[BringBackFergy]

Yeah. NO

 

Move her to gov housing. Right in the projects. Buy her a bus pass. Make her ass work. Women are equal.

 

You would have women throwing their stuff out there not giving a crap what any man would have to deal with and she still gets a free ride.

 

Stupid idea. I cannot believe how invalid this logic is...

 

Women are equal. But when there is a baby involved, do you propose creating a whole new level of government to care for the child while we get a pound of flesh from her? The cheapest (and most logical) person to take care of the baby is the mother...not some government sponsored day care.

 

There is no overnight remedy for this problem...but creating a disincentive to procreate among young men who think it's "cool" to get their high school sweetheart prego is the only other viable option.

 

Money for sterilization is the absolute dumbest thing I have ever heard of so I share your frustration in reading illogical posts.

[B-Man]

Women are equal.

 

But when there is a baby involved, do you propose creating a whole new level of government to care for the child while we get a pound of flesh from her? The cheapest (and most logical) person to take care of the baby is the mother...not some government sponsored day care.

 

 

Where have you been ?

 

From the "All Your Children Are Belong To Us" thread.

 

"So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities."

 

 

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[B-Large]

If you really look at the language, boys will still have sex...but they'll put about 5 condoms on to avoid being prosecuted. This type of law would have less to do with having sex and more to do with avoiding unprotected sex (since that is the only way 99% of the time a young girl gets pregnant). We need to stop this glorification of teenage girls in school saying "I can't take a test today because I have to be home with my baby".

 

And you won't have boys in prison...you'll have young men who think they are qualified to make babies (suspended sentence) working hard to the point where they decide "I will never do that again...next time I'm wearing three condoms". Hopefully, those boys will tell their friends...the juice is not worth the squeeze guys, wear a condom or you'll be pickin up trash for six months like me.

 

even with a suspended sentence that is still a Felony.

 

Your point is to scare young men to keep their dicks in their pants and out of young trim. I get that, its a noble endeavor. But that is the up to the parents of both kids to tell them to keep it zipped up, or prepare them with the knowledge of how to avoid pregnancy if they decided to whip it out and whip it in.

 

Perhaps the question is do we want more laws, more power delgeated to the Government and legal system, or do we want citziens with children to step up and own up to the reposnisbility?

[IDBillzFan]

All of this is fine, but doesn't get to the root of the problem; the breakdown of the family.

 

This will undoubtedly make liberal eyes roll, but children tend to behave not just as they're taught, but as they observe. You don't need to be excessively wise to see how a child of alcoholic parents has a high chance of being an alcoholic. Or children of divorce tend to marry badly and get divorced while their children are still young. The importance of marriage and having children has been reduced to a reality show. Today we read about a teen mom TV star who announced her upcoming porn video.

 

Until such a time that all children are taught a better way to conduct their lives as adults, nothing will change. I'm currently watching my brother-in-law divorcing his alcoholic wife. They have three children, one in her 20s, one is 13 and one is 6. The younger two go back and forth between the alcoholic screaming mom and father who is more interested in his new girlfriend than helping his children. It's sad, and upsetting, and pretty much a perfect snapshot of why kids don't think twice making bad decisions.

 

You can throw money at this and try to legislate a change in behavior, but you're pissing in the wind. You must first repair the breakdown of the family if you truly want a long-term resolution.

[BringBackFergy]

even with a suspended sentence that is still a Felony.

 

Your point is to scare young men to keep their dicks in their pants and out of young trim. I get that, its a noble endeavor. But that is the up to the parents of both kids to tell them to keep it zipped up, or prepare them with the knowledge of how to avoid pregnancy if they decided to whip it out and whip it in.

 

Perhaps the question is do we want more laws, more power delgeated to the Government and legal system, or do we want citziens with children to step up and own up to the reposnisbility?

B-Large - I know what you are saying and it's commendable. I share that viewpoint and have already discussed it with my 15 year old boy (I'll leave the discussion with my daughters to my wife). The point is, however, most of these young kids (in the lower income areas - whether it be north, southeast, cities, etc) do not have families to lecture them about why they shouldn't impregnate teenage girls because they are products of that very problem. They have been raised to believe it is ok to be pregnant at 16 and they (and the baby) will be taken care of by society. Meanwhile, the young men are free to go out and do the same thing to another young girl without threat of punishment, penalty, fine or work/jail. In this case, the regulatory effect of the statute is to send a message to the young men to avoid having unprotected sex and getting "their baby's momma" pregnant or they will have to be up at 7am to work on the road crew without a cell phone, video games, Tommy Hilfiger jeans or other luxuries we so generously sponsor currently.

 

All of this is fine, but doesn't get to the root of the problem; the breakdown of the family.

 

This will undoubtedly make liberal eyes roll, but children tend to behave not just as they're taught, but as they observe. You don't need to be excessively wise to see how a child of alcoholic parents has a high chance of being an alcoholic. Or children of divorce tend to marry badly and get divorced while their children are still young. The importance of marriage and having children has been reduced to a reality show. Today we read about a teen mom TV star who announced her upcoming porn video.

 

Until such a time that all children are taught a better way to conduct their lives as adults, nothing will change. I'm currently watching my brother-in-law divorcing his alcoholic wife. They have three children, one in her 20s, one is 13 and one is 6. The younger two go back and forth between the alcoholic screaming mom and father who is more interested in his new girlfriend than helping his children. It's sad, and upsetting, and pretty much a perfect snapshot of why kids don't think twice making bad decisions.

 

You can throw money at this and try to legislate a change in behavior, but you're pissing in the wind. You must first repair the breakdown of the family if you truly want a long-term resolution.

I am in full agreement. But in most of these cases the family has already broken down. Yet we throw money at these young women to support their babies and themselves only to have them get prego again. It is a vicious cycle without repair. To slow the cycle, we can create a disincentive for the man to engage in this behavior (i.e. a penalty for not using a condom). A kid who is 18 gets drunk at a party and in a fight that lasts 10 minutes and does not cost our society a cent and we arrest him for violating the Alcohol Beverage Control Law and Disorderly Conduct...yet that same 18 year old can get a 16 year old pregnant, she applies for and is granted benefits and the 18 year old is left to go out and do it again. This conduct, as distinguished from drinking a few beers and getting in a fight, can have a lifetime of consequences to our society and costs considerably more (the cost of supporting a baby (or babies) from birth to 21 and, in most cases supporting that 21 year old and their babies). Make it unlawful and word will get around fast.

Edited April 10, 2013 by BringBackFergy

[TakeYouToTasker]

Terribly ill-conceived, and discriminatory to boot.

[BringBackFergy]

Terribly ill-conceived, and discriminatory to boot.

 

You're right...anything that tries to stem rampant teen pregnancy among those who are still studying algebra is a terrible idea. Let's keep allowing them to receive benefits without any form of penalty or personal responsibility.

[TakeYouToTasker]

You're right...anything that tries to stem rampant teen pregnancy among those who are still studying algebra is a terrible idea. Let's keep allowing them to receive benefits without any form of penalty or personal responsibility.

Yes, I am right. Your idea is magnificently awful, and discriminatory. Yet somehow your strawman, quoted above, manages to be even worse.

 

/golfclap

Edited April 10, 2013 by TakeYouToTasker

[BringBackFergy]

Yes, I am right. Your idea is magnificently awful, and discriminatory. Yet somehow your strawman, quoted above, manages to be even worse.

 

/golfclap

So you are in the "money grows on trees" camp?? OK, got it.

[Gene Frenkle]

Holy **** this is stupid.

[IDBillzFan]

Holy **** this is stupid.

 

And if ever there was an authority on stupid, you're our guy.

[BringBackFergy]

Holy **** this is stupid.

Another insightful response. You would kick ass in the legislature.

Does anyone have any idea how to improve the proposal short of throwing it in the incinerator? Is there an acceptable penalty for the teen momma (one that won't get the NOW group offended because a 16 year old "chose" to get pregnant)?