VanCity Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) Torrell Troup is my fav. Thing about Torrell is that it's not an effort thing. The guy has been seriously injured the past two seasons. He wants to play, just wasn't physically able to. The message should be sent through a guy that can play, just doesn't put his heart, mind and body into it. Dareus, Mario and Stevie do not fit that bill either. I'm actually keen to see which Kyle Williams shows up in 2013/14. If he is the guy we all raved about in 2010-2012, he's not going anywhere. If he is the completely ineffective guy we saw in 12/13, then he heads up to the upper tier of the cut prospects. I like Kyle, I just think that Alan Branch being brought in may be a message to him. Edited April 8, 2013 by VanCity
MRW Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Look, the whole point of this was to suggest that attitude can be everything. And without sounding like an unmitigated blowhard, I have it on good authority, straight from a player's perspective that last year's coaches had the team's collective confidence (in the systems, in themselves, in the team) in the collective dumpster. Interviews and comments from the defensive players made that obvious, although everyone was too professional to really call it out. They were left to figure a lot of stuff out on their own and motivate themselves, and they failed miserably. But clearly the coaching staff hung them out to dry, not out of malice, but just incompetence.
Fan in San Diego Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Thing about Torrell is that it's not an effort thing. The guy has been seriously injured the past two seasons. He wants to play, just wasn't physically able to. The message should be sent through a guy that can play, just doesn't put his heart, mind and body into it. Dareus, Mario and Stevie do not fit that bill either. I'm actually keen to see which Kyle Williams shows up in 2013/14. If he is the guy we all raved about in 2010-2012, he's not going anywhere. If he is the completely ineffective guy we saw in 12/13, then he heads up to the upper tier of the cut prospects. I like Kyle, I just think that Alan Branch being brought in may be a message to him. Chronic injury is a one ticket to the bleachers. I'd cut him. We want guys who can stay healthy. Make an example of him.
The Big Cat Posted April 8, 2013 Author Posted April 8, 2013 Let me know when the wins start rolling in. This guy needs a coat he's sooooooo cooooooool.
dubs Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 There is very little doubt in my mind that the right man will look at the Bills head coaching job as one of the very best opportunities to do something really special. Not to get too cheesy, but winning a Super Bowl in Buffalo is the stuff that movies are made from. It's a tremendous challenge given the recent history and can be particularly motivating to the right person. You couple that with the history of the team and some of the (unfair) characterizations of the region and you have history in the making. Winning a Super Bowl in Buffalo would be similar to Cleveland winning a World Series (or the Cubs, but probably not at that level). The coach who accomplishes these things is forever immortal.
....lybob Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Talent wins not rah rah, and the Bills don't have that much, 2-14 is a very real possibility
The Big Cat Posted April 8, 2013 Author Posted April 8, 2013 Talent wins not rah rah, and the Bills don't have that much, 2-14 is a very real possibility Right, the most successful team of the past 13 years (New England*) has definitely shown this to be true. No other team has managed to find more talent, then ship that talent to locations where they do as well or better.
dubs Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) Talent wins not rah rah, and the Bills don't have that much, 2-14 is a very real possibility I don't think it's that simple. If talent was the only factor to success, the Redskins would have won a couple super bowls in the 00's, and the Eagles would have won recently as well. The Yankees would win every year, the Red Sox would not have been a horrible team last year and had to blow up the roster. Coaching, motivation (doesn't have to be rah rah), good fortune, and talent are all factors. I think this team has talent. No one is going to claim they have as much as the 49ers, Broncos or Packers, but the margin is less that you suggest. Edited April 8, 2013 by dubs
JPS Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 It may sound weird, but I'll get a better feel for the Bills 2013 prospects in Marrone's 1st presser after a loss. I want a pissed off guy with high expectations. Only time will show us what Marrone's expectations are.
BringBackFergy Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 It may sound weird, but I'll get a better feel for the Bills 2013 prospects in Marrone's 1st presser after a loss. I want a pissed off guy with high expectations. Only time will show us what Marrone's expectations are. Great point. A loss tells alot about a coach. Even the preseason games last year (Washington and Minnesota especially) the players looked as though they were uninspired. That attitude carried into the first game vs. the Jets. I never sensed any urgency or fire in Chan's belly. Maybe he was just a laid back guy, but I am hopeful Marrone will start banging his fists on the podium if (when) the Bills get blown out in Week 16 and end with a record of 15-1.
Coach Tuesday Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Meh, I guess. We have seen and heard from so many different leadership styles over the past decade or so, at this point I'm numb to it all. We've tried waking up players with megaphones. We've tried cutting Bobby Shaw. We've tried telling players it's ok to cry, because winning in the NFL is hard. We've tried show me the baby. At this point I don't really want to hear anymore talk. Especially the stuff that comes out of the OBD spinroom. Remember, a marketing guru is running the damn show. I will remain skeptical until the product actually improves. When I look at this roster, I can't get too excited. Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL and he says almost nothing to the media and has the personality of a dialtone. Just win already, no more talking.
VanCity Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Chronic injury is a one ticket to the bleachers. I'd cut him. We want guys who can stay healthy. Make an example of him. I can see it now Marrone " See, this is what happens when you get hurt!" Bad way to make an example out of someone. Not saying that the Bills keep him, just that making an example out of an injured player is not making the right example.
Fan in San Diego Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 I can see it now Marrone " See, this is what happens when you get hurt!" Bad way to make an example out of someone. Not saying that the Bills keep him, just that making an example out of an injured player is not making the right example. I wouldn't spin it that way. But we want production, not excuses. Really why have they kept him around so long?
dubs Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Meh, I guess. We have seen and heard from so many different leadership styles over the past decade or so, at this point I'm numb to it all. We've tried waking up players with megaphones. We've tried cutting Bobby Shaw. We've tried telling players it's ok to cry, because winning in the NFL is hard. We've tried show me the baby. At this point I don't really want to hear anymore talk. Especially the stuff that comes out of the OBD spinroom. Remember, a marketing guru is running the damn show. I will remain skeptical until the product actually improves. When I look at this roster, I can't get too excited. Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL and he says almost nothing to the media and has the personality of a dialtone. Just win already, no more talking. Agreed. But then what's the common denominator? The city of Buffalo and Ralph Wilson. I refuse to believe that Buffalo has anything to do with it. Now that Ralph has ceeded control of the team, that's not an excuse anymore either. But, I do agree...ultimately winning on the field is the only sign things are changing.
CodeMonkey Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) Funny, I don;t recall Marrone and crew being here since 2000? Obviously a positive change needs to occur to turn the team into a winner. This may or may not work but it is a change and they deserve every chance to succeed and not be tied to past records of losing staffs......but then again if we do turn it around you'll have to dig a little deeper to find stuff to B word about Nope they weren't. But if I recall correctly, these kinds of threads popped up for every regime change, not just this one. Fan optimism tends to run high when a coaching change happens, it sure did 3 years ago when Gailey and later Wanny came on board. Maybe Team Marrone can pull off what the last 13 years of coaches could not with a few roster tweaks, new game plans, and by sprinkling some pixie dust around the locker room to get the players believing they can win the super bowl. I'm just not a big believer in culture change being strong enough in and of itself to lift any team out of a 13 year dump. But I have been known to be wrong before, just ask my wife Edited April 8, 2013 by CodeMonkey
The Big Cat Posted April 8, 2013 Author Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) Meh, I guess. We have seen and heard from so many different leadership styles over the past decade or so, at this point I'm numb to it all. We've tried waking up players with megaphones. We've tried cutting Bobby Shaw. We've tried telling players it's ok to cry, because winning in the NFL is hard. We've tried show me the baby. At this point I don't really want to hear anymore talk. Especially the stuff that comes out of the OBD spinroom. Remember, a marketing guru is running the damn show. I will remain skeptical until the product actually improves. When I look at this roster, I can't get too excited. Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL and he says almost nothing to the media and has the personality of a dialtone. Just win already, no more talking. Agreed. But then what's the common denominator? The city of Buffalo and Ralph Wilson. I refuse to believe that Buffalo has anything to do with it. Now that Ralph has ceeded control of the team, that's not an excuse anymore either. But, I do agree...ultimately winning on the field is the only sign things are changing. Well, yeah. All of this goes without saying--and I tried to pre-empt this so-called "realism" in the OP, knowing full well there would be a party pooper or two. None of us knows anything. All we have his hunches. May be North Korea WILL nuke the U.S. and the entire 2013 season will be cancelled, who knows!? Nope they weren't. But if I recall correctly, these kinds of threads popped up for every regime change, not just this one. Fan optimism tends to run high when a coaching change happens, it sure did 3 years ago when Gailey and Wanny came on board. Maybe Team Marrone can pull off what the last 13 years of coaches could not with a few roster tweaks, new game plans, and by sprinkling some pixie dust around the locker room to get the players believing they can win the super bowl. I'm just not a big believer in culture change being strong enough in and of itself to lift any team out of a 13 year dump. But I have been known to be wrong before, just ask my wife I freely admitted to having fallen victim to this behavior pattern in the OP, it didn't need called-out. Edited April 8, 2013 by taC giB ehT
dubs Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Well, yeah. All of this goes without saying--and I tried to pre-empt this so-called "realism" in the OP, knowing full well there would be a party pooper or two. I like your sense of optimism and I share it. In the absence of real games, it's all we have and I am fully on board with being optimistic with the hope that when the season starts, we see real signs of progress. Nothing wrong with that. As I said before, I believe the team is better than 6-10 and the changes we made at the top will help us improve. I'm not quite sure this is a super bowl caliber team, but I think we can make the playoffs. After years of misery, that'll be a huge win in my book.
marauderswr80 Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 We are, 1 franchise QB 3 legit WRs 1 legit TE 3 solid LBs 1 SS 2-3 depth OL 1 more solid CB 1 more solid DE Away from making the playoffs!
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